018: Jerk This Limp Podcast Until It Gets Hard

[00:00:00] Speaker A: So how's your week been, man? [00:00:03] Speaker B: Terrible. [00:00:05] Speaker A: Okay, well, just so Everybody knows, it's May 7, because people do ask, you know, I'm getting from the people I. I know. Listen to this. I'm getting a lot of, like, when's your next episode coming out? When are you gonna put. I'm like, dude, calm down, guys. Like, we're not big time, bro. You know? [00:00:27] Speaker B: Well, I do want to address that because it's kind of on topic. [00:00:33] Speaker A: Oh, is it? [00:00:34] Speaker B: I know that the episode's late this week. I've been. I've been dealing with a lot of, like, guilt over not getting enough things done, mostly about the house. And so over the weekend, I was just working on the house a lot, and I didn't have time to. To edit an episode, but it's coming. I've. I've done like, all of the audio editing. I just haven't, like, actually listened through to censor things. But we're late, and I feel bad. [00:01:06] Speaker A: We're doing video. [00:01:08] Speaker B: I. I mean, like, I. I leveled everything. I didn't actually listen to it, but I've gotten everything, like, ready to listen through and. And censor. I feel bad about it. It's like, this is a partnership, making. [00:01:19] Speaker A: Money on this bad boy. Then our. Then our viewers can complain. You know what I mean? [00:01:24] Speaker B: All right. It's just, you know, we. We both have our duties on this podcast, and it just sucks when mine's just showing up. Yeah, you do a lot of research, dude. You're preaching the word of pseudonyms to so many people. Like, all of our listeners are yours. You know, there are. [00:01:41] Speaker A: There Ares. [00:01:43] Speaker B: I'm just saying. I'm just saying. So, you know, dealing with a lot. That's kind of why I chose this week's topic was I just. I really need to find some kind of a rhythm that works and. And gets everything done. So let's go with anything, any opening remarks you've got. Well, how was your week? [00:02:08] Speaker A: My week was. My week was good. [00:02:09] Speaker C: It was good. [00:02:12] Speaker A: You know, And I'm calling you Stitch tonight, by the way. [00:02:15] Speaker C: Because one of my. [00:02:17] Speaker A: It's one of my bugaboos right now is, whoa, White. [00:02:23] Speaker C: You know? [00:02:24] Speaker A: Well, it's gonna get there. When it's a Snow White or a redheaded Little Mermaid, they're like, nah, nah, we can't. We can't. We can't keep that girl white when we do the live action. But when it's Lilo and Stitch, they're like, yeah, let's keep the real characters. Let's keep the real wine characters, you know, and so it. I was surprised to see that. I mean, I get it. The one girl was only raised in Hawaii. She's Filipino and white, but still, she's. [00:02:54] Speaker C: Very close to looking Hawaiian. [00:02:56] Speaker B: I just thought she was a Hawaiian. [00:02:58] Speaker A: The older sister is from Hawaii, but she's Filipino and white. They made a big stink about it. But at the end of the day, I mean, you didn't go off and change her whole background to, you know, Creole or whatever. [00:03:13] Speaker B: Hold on, hold on. Is that part of the original movie? [00:03:17] Speaker A: What the. [00:03:18] Speaker B: That she's Filipino and not Hawaiian? [00:03:22] Speaker A: No, but she was raised in Hawaii and they're both islands, so. [00:03:25] Speaker B: Okay, so that's just the new movie that does that. [00:03:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:29] Speaker B: Because it would be a white girl. [00:03:31] Speaker A: With red hair and make her a black. First of all, pretty sure it's stereotypical that black people don't swim. [00:03:39] Speaker C: Well. [00:03:41] Speaker B: I mean, that is the funniest part, right? [00:03:44] Speaker A: I'm kidding. [00:03:45] Speaker B: What if it was actually an amazing swimmer? [00:03:48] Speaker A: What's that? [00:03:52] Speaker B: Hey, let's. Let's break the stereotype so hard that she's actually a mermaid. Now, I was just gonna say it's. It's bat. If that comes up in the original cartoon, that if we are going to maybe a 90 minute cartoon, we're going to spend three minutes explaining that we're Filipino and white and not Hawaiian. Like, that's nuts. It's a kids movie. [00:04:13] Speaker A: She's the real life girl is Filipino and white, but she looks Hawaiian playing the Hawaiian sister. [00:04:19] Speaker B: Oh, I thought you were talking about. This is a plot point in the movie. Like the character is Filipino and white. And I was like, how much time did they spend explaining this? [00:04:29] Speaker A: No, but I knew. Figured a majority of our visit, our. Our audience might give us backlash on the Internet that, you know, she's Filipino and white. And I'm just trying to get ahead of that, saying I know she's Filipino in white. [00:04:42] Speaker C: Real life. [00:04:42] Speaker B: You know what? That's. I'm gonna say that's a slippery slope. [00:04:49] Speaker A: It is, my friend. [00:04:51] Speaker B: Slope. On another note, folks, slope is this thing on. [00:05:03] Speaker A: I've been, it's. It's been an eventful week. I've been having a lot of dreams about big country. And they're not good. They're kind of like. And I don't know if the Lord's revealing them to me because again, if they're significant enough for me to remember, they must be impactful in some way. High five. [00:05:22] Speaker B: No, no, no, no. It's a question. I have A question. Sorry. I. I know why that was confusing because I do a lot of high fives. I don't know. My question is if, if we're even entertaining that God is giving you these dreams and steering you away from big country, how does that affect what you believe? You heard a couple years ago when he supposedly told you. [00:05:50] Speaker A: I'm moving on, bro. Like, the Lord's gonna have to do something drastic because we had. We had sex on Thanksgiving last year when we all did the family thing. [00:06:00] Speaker C: We were there. [00:06:01] Speaker B: Right now it's a high five. [00:06:05] Speaker A: But I couldn't stay. I couldn't stay hard because I just wasn't. I wasn't, you know, I mean, like. And she was like, wow, you're really not into me. And I'm like. And I tried to make her feel good. I tried. You know, I try to make all of them feel good where I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. Like, if this happens, I'm really not into you. And this is like, just a. [00:06:22] Speaker C: Just like. [00:06:23] Speaker A: Let me. [00:06:23] Speaker C: I. [00:06:24] Speaker A: But I wasn't. I wasn't into it. [00:06:25] Speaker B: I wasn't weird. Because usually you can get really hard with women who almost gave you 25 to life. Yeah, I mean, that's fucking nuts. It's, you know, I mean, I don't want to, like, I don't want to. [00:06:39] Speaker A: How you say that? Cuz she gave me 20 almost to life. But then the charges that she had almost against me were gonna get me 25 to life. So it's like she gave me 20 years of her life, but then at the same time she was trying to get. And so, dude, I just wasn't into it. And, and, and I brought it up one night in front of the kids because I was like, hey, you know, like, here I am thinking we're both on the same path to try and reconcile this marriage because, you know, God gave her the word of redemption in, in the year 2025, and that's what we're going to be doing and working on, on, on things. And then I was like, oh. But she was giving me like the cold shoulder in front of the kids. So I was like, oh, so you could me on, on. On Thanksgiving, but you now all of a sudden I get this cold shoulder and she's like, you don't need to ever be saying that. Like, my life is private. I figured out why her life is private, even to her kids. Because mind you, number two is her right hand man. Like, she tells everything to number two. She told her whole marriage, all the all the bad stuff I did. And then she goes and she's like, my life is private. I don't share nothing of that, not even with her. And I know why. Because she still hangs out with his. [00:07:46] Speaker C: Him. [00:07:48] Speaker B: And wait, doesn't number two know that? [00:07:51] Speaker A: Yes, and that's why number two. That's why she doesn't want number two knowing she's. [00:07:55] Speaker C: She's. She. [00:07:56] Speaker A: Me. Because then it's like, oh, she's telling me a different story. And now that had, like, that's weird. And so it's almost unraveling. So then I've been having these dreams of, like, her being caught in her manipulation and her, like. And it's not so much like real life stories where, like, the real examples happening. It's like, we're in a situation, and then next thing you know, what she's doing in my dream is, like, not honest and not trustworthy. And. And I'm like, oh, wow, okay, like, this is who your character is. [00:08:30] Speaker C: It's really weird. [00:08:32] Speaker A: I also started taking that she legit, that Himalayan. She legit like that black tar you see on Tick Tock, man. Every time I fart, I think I, like, I myself. It's really, really hard. Like, it's really hard to decipher. Is this just gas or is this it? And honestly, it starts out as gas, and then it's like. Oh, it's almost like. Like when the gates open and the dog just tries to go, like, jet at the very end. It's like that, dude. [00:09:05] Speaker B: And I'm like, you're jamming your foot in the door trying to keep the dog. [00:09:12] Speaker C: Man. [00:09:12] Speaker A: And it just comes all of a sudden, like, my stomach's just in knots and I gotta go. But so my first week of it, I haven't really seen a difference yet. [00:09:20] Speaker B: What's it do? What's the point of it? [00:09:22] Speaker A: It's supposed to help you with, like, your. With not so much anxiety, but it does give you, like, a calmness. It helps you have energy. It helps build muscle. And honestly, I only took it because this guy that I've been watching on. On Tick Tock has, like, been documenting his 200 days of taking it. And he's like, look, dude. And he seems like a legit guy, and he's like, look, dude. Like, honestly, you know, it's. [00:09:58] Speaker C: It's. [00:09:58] Speaker A: You're not gonna see a change right away. You have to kind of like, stick with it for a while and. And it says it, you know, lowers the risk. Not that I need it, but lowers the Risk of bone loss, reduce inflammation, improve exercise performance. It heightens male fertility through higher testosterone levels. So, like, I'm just trying it out, man. And that's where. [00:10:27] Speaker C: That's. Yeah. [00:10:28] Speaker A: So I say that because I think I farted a couple seconds ago. And, like, your. Your farts smell like death, bro. [00:10:34] Speaker C: Like, they just. [00:10:35] Speaker A: They smell like death. They do. Like, we were playing a game. We were. Mario Kart, he's wrecking my life. So we were playing Mario Party. We were playing Mario Party before the podcast, and I was like, I'll sit on the couch over here. I'll sit on this chair over here, away from the couch. Because, like, I don't. I'm a little gassy sometimes. And they're like, thank you. So I just let one out. [00:10:57] Speaker C: I was like. [00:10:58] Speaker A: And, like, dude, they were gagging. Like. Like, my daughter and her boyfriend are just gagging on the couch. And I'm like, dude, guys, it's not that bad. [00:11:05] Speaker C: It was. [00:11:05] Speaker A: It was bad. [00:11:06] Speaker B: He's like, it's that bad. [00:11:07] Speaker A: Like, yeah, death came out of you on that one. [00:11:11] Speaker C: And so, yeah, this is worse than. [00:11:13] Speaker B: The time the raccoon got caught in the copier. [00:11:19] Speaker A: So, yeah. But outside of that, stitch it. I had missionary stop by last night. Back to Mario Party. Like, Mario Party's keeping me up till, like, one in the morning, bro. I gotta be at work at 4, you know? [00:11:35] Speaker B: I mean, are you playing alone? [00:11:37] Speaker C: I wake up before. [00:11:39] Speaker A: No, man, My. My kids want to play, like, not. Not number four. Yeah, she's got bedtime, but she'll play, like, the first game. First game starts at, like, I don't know, seven o' clock. Next thing you know, it's 12:30, and me, number three, and her boyfriend are just going at it still, and they're like, run it back, run it back. I'm just mopping fools, you know, Just. [00:12:02] Speaker B: Oh, man, it's so crazy. Like, I don't know. I. I'm assuming this has something to do with Mario Kart. [00:12:11] Speaker A: It's Mario Party. It's a bunch of little mini games that you. You kind of go around, like, board. It's an island or it's a. A forest. And you hit different spots. Different spots have different things. Some have, you know, some of them are just normal spots. But then after each roll, you four go into a mini game and play for coins. And you use your coins to buy stuff. And ultimately you want to buy stars. And whoever has the most stars at the end of the game wins. [00:12:36] Speaker B: Okay, it does sound like a long game. Now. That you say that. So it's not. It's not exactly what I pictured. I pictured, like, Mario Kart, basically. And I was thinking, like, it's. It's just so crazy, like, the video games that, like, used to keep us up at night. My sister and I played Wipeout, and Wipeout was literally just a hover. It was like hover cars, and it was just a racing game, and that's all it was. And you just went around a track and raced, and that was it. That was PlayStation 2, 2001. That was the height of the mountain, was Wipeout. And we would stay up till three in the morning playing it. [00:13:15] Speaker A: Dude, they don't want me on Mario Kart. Dude, we got it. Yeah, I'm. I'm. I got that thing on lock, man. I'm drifting around corners. My wheels are turning pink and purple, and then I let go. I boost. I'm telling you, man, like, so Mario Kart, they have. I mean, Mario party, they have a chance in and. But it's been wrecking my work life, dude. I go to work just dead tired. They're like, you look tired. I'm like, yeah, I went to bed too. [00:13:39] Speaker B: You guys want to play Mario Party on the left, Lunch break or what? [00:13:44] Speaker A: I'm not gonna lie. [00:13:46] Speaker B: You're like. You're scratching both arms at the same time. [00:13:51] Speaker A: There was a day I was like, maybe I could bring it to work and get a little game time in, you know? [00:13:58] Speaker B: Oh, man. [00:14:01] Speaker A: Yeah. But outside of that, dude, some missionaries stopped by my door last night, and I spent two hours with some Mormon missionaries. Oh, wow, that was cool. [00:14:10] Speaker B: They had no idea what they were getting themselves into coming to your door. [00:14:15] Speaker A: Well, first they knocked on the door, like, Monday night, and it was like, three females. And I'm like, look, we could get into this, but I know your rules. You're not allowed to get into it with me. [00:14:25] Speaker C: Like, you're females. [00:14:26] Speaker A: I'm a male. I know this ain't gonna happen. So they're like, we'll send some. Some males back. I'm like, perfect. [00:14:33] Speaker B: So. [00:14:33] Speaker A: So males come the following night, mind you. Like, game one of Golden State and Timberwolves in the NBA playoffs is about to start. I'm like, getting popcorn. [00:14:42] Speaker C: You know what I mean? [00:14:43] Speaker A: I'm like, oh, yeah. I just sit down. Just starts, dude, ding dong. I'm like, I open the door, I'm like, yeah, come on in, guys. Like, you know, make yourself at home. These guys didn't know what they were getting into even if they were going to Witness to me. [00:14:58] Speaker C: And I was just a willing person. [00:15:00] Speaker A: They were like, they couldn't even tell me their, like, how they became a member of the LDS Church. And they were both born into it. Well, one was born into it. And he just kept stumbling over his words. He was like. And I was like, dude, take your time. Slow down. [00:15:15] Speaker C: Like, you're not on. [00:15:16] Speaker B: Like, this isn't a presentation today, junior. So, yeah, I bet, I bet that really put him at ease, though. It really puts me at ease if me or the other person is able to acknowledge, like, hey, this is no big deal. Like, let's just get through this, you know? How'd it go from there? [00:15:40] Speaker A: I didn't acknowledge. Went well, you know, I. I took a different approach than what we, what we went through. When we were kind of going through it, it was more or less like, hey, well, I went through that, but instead it was like, hey, like, what's your journey? Like is, what is your pursuit in life? And how is your. How did. [00:15:59] Speaker C: What. [00:15:59] Speaker A: What. What in your journey brought you here in your life? [00:16:02] Speaker C: You know? [00:16:03] Speaker A: Like, is your life seeking the Lord? Like, is that what your. [00:16:07] Speaker C: Your journey is? [00:16:08] Speaker A: Like, you just want to know God no matter what truth it is, no matter what he reveals to you, but as long as you're drawing close to him. And they're like, yeah. And I'm like, all right, so tell me your journey to the Lord and then I'll share mine. And I said, first, before we start, how about you open the night in prayer and I'll close the night in prayer. They're like, cool, sounds good. And so, you know, they both told their stories. I went on to my story about. [00:16:30] Speaker C: Like, if we all sit at a. [00:16:31] Speaker A: Table and we're all saying there's only one God, like, one. Like, only one of us can be real, you know, a Muslim, a Catholic, and a Buddhist and a Mormon and an event. Non evangelical Christian or evangelical Christian, Non denominational Evangelical. We're all saying there's only one God. That means some, like, a lot of these people at this table are serving a false God. I was like, so that's where my journey kind of started. After I became a Christian, I wanted to know about these other faiths. And so I was really drawn to. [00:17:03] Speaker C: The faith of LDS Church. [00:17:05] Speaker A: And so we just started talking, dude. And it's like two hours. And I'm just going through everything I know. And like, they're transitioning. Like, well, you know, the. He. You know, the, the original text in this asshole. I'm like, oh, let's touch on the Dead Sea Scrolls. And speaking of the original text, what about the book of Abraham? Did you know the original text was actually papyri? And I started going through, like, the evidence for that. Like, Joseph Smith wrote, he was translating word for word, and they're like, dude, they were just. They were just, like, sitting there, dude. [00:17:30] Speaker C: But they. [00:17:31] Speaker A: Not that. They were like, wow, this guy. Like, I'm in awe of how much knowledge this guy has. It was like, I could have said, like, two plus two is four. And these guys seem so, like, so bottom of the barrel, slow that they were just, like, sitting there, like, dumbfounded. I'm like, does that make sense for you guys? Like, can we back it up? Like, I really want you guys to understand this. I can grasp this. Like, if you guys have points to make that would prove. Like, that would answer some of my questions. Like, again, I'm just on a journey to seek God. [00:18:02] Speaker C: So if. [00:18:03] Speaker A: If it's the God you're serving. The God I'm serving, I don't care which one. I just want to get in touch with God. So, you know, if you have answers. And they're like, no, can you. Can you text us? I was like, well, you have my number. Well, I said, give me your number. He's like, I got yours. I'm like, cool, Send me a text. Then it's like, all right, I will. [00:18:18] Speaker C: I still haven't received no text. Like, yeah. [00:18:21] Speaker A: I was like, you know, I was. [00:18:23] Speaker C: Like, but bring back anybody you want to bring back. [00:18:25] Speaker A: I'd love to talk more about this. [00:18:26] Speaker B: I guess we should say. I mean, I should have said this earlier, but Lilo here has led several evangelism classes and went to the. The pageant. What was the. The pageant in Manti every year? [00:18:41] Speaker A: The Mormon Miracle Pageant. [00:18:42] Speaker B: The Mormon Miracle Pageant. He would take a group out there every single year to street witness to Mormons, and he did all the training for that leading up to it. So I guess the technical term is not fucking around. I think that's what we say. He. He knows so much. In fact, you even took a very popular, even evangelization tactic called the impossible gospel, and you. You altered it because you knew so much about the Mormons, you actually made a better version of it. I can't remember what the difference was. No, no, no. I remember you were like, no, no, dude. Because you showed the video, and then you stopped it, and you were like, so instead of this, we're gonna do this and, like, kind of complete the circle this way. And. And I can't remember what the difference was, but it's like, dude, you were so into their text and everything that they knew that, like, you, you were able to alter the method. [00:19:45] Speaker A: Yeah, I appreciate that, man. No, it's. It's definitely a concern on my, like, it's something that God's impressed on me. Like, as I was sitting there, like, again, I feel like I'm blowing these dudes up. Like, I'm coming in with like, you know, like John Wick, you know, just ba, ba, ba. You know, just shooting with verses. Like, and the fact that I'm going through Romans right now, I'm like, well, Roman says, you know, and I'm just, I'm just got my, you know, my trigger finger just, you know, and I'm like, just flipping pages. But at the same time, like, I had to constantly check myself and I'm. [00:20:15] Speaker C: Like, stop and just pray for these. [00:20:17] Speaker A: Guys, like, mentally, just, like, while they're talking. Just pray for their, their souls, pray. [00:20:22] Speaker C: For their hearts, pray that, that they'll receive this. [00:20:25] Speaker A: Pray that something's landing here. You know, this might be your only chance. And so I really had to kind of like, just check myself throughout the whole two hours of, like, don't try and go. Don't get to a point where you're like, I'm on a roll here. Bop, bop, bop. It was, it was kind of like, ugh, you know, like, I'm shooting you with scripture because I don't want to beat you with a tire iron. [00:20:47] Speaker C: You know what I mean? [00:20:52] Speaker A: Headshot's a lot, lot easier to go. [00:20:55] Speaker C: Out than being beaten by a tire iron. [00:20:59] Speaker B: Oh, man. [00:21:00] Speaker A: So that was cool. But outside of that, I mean, that's a. We could transition into what you wanted to discuss tonight, which was spiritual disciplines. [00:21:08] Speaker C: Which I think was a great topic to discuss. [00:21:11] Speaker B: Yeah. I first also welcome the synonyms. Oh, yeah, that's right. It's. Man, these cold opens get longer and longer every week. I know the first. I should say the. If you want to read anything about spiritual disciplines, you got to read Spiritual Disciplines by Donald Whitney. [00:21:31] Speaker C: It's. [00:21:33] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of books like it, but that is by far the best. I think. I think there was seven things that he went over, but basically he's just got a chapter on prayer, a chapter on fasting, a chapter on, you know, reading the Bible. He also wrote a really hell of small, like, 100 page book that was really helpful to me called Praying the Bible. And he just breaks down, like, basically how to go through a text in the Bible and just pray through it and have it inspire your prayers because it's like we don't always know where to start. We don't. You know, I could kind of ramble about him all night, but that was kind of my first foray into looking at spiritual disciplines as like all tools in the same toolkit. You know, he had a chapter on journaling as well, and these were all like spiritual disciplines that he thought Christians should be doing on a regular basis. [00:22:37] Speaker A: I've had a couple books. [00:22:39] Speaker C: You know, I think Dallas Willard has one, I think DA Carson has one. The one that I really liked was. [00:22:45] Speaker A: I want to say, Spiritual Disciplines Companion by Johnson. It's actually pretty unique because in the end it has you take like a personality test and to see where you're at and then it kind of tells you like, what disciple or apostle you're most like. You know, I'm thinking I'm bold, you. [00:23:10] Speaker C: Know, I, I, you know. [00:23:12] Speaker B: You thought you were Peter. [00:23:13] Speaker A: I know. No, I thought I was Paul, bro. [00:23:17] Speaker B: Oh, I thought like the original disciples. Oh, yeah, you got Peter because you can't keep your mouth shut. [00:23:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Or Lawrence got Paul and I'm like, how'd you get Paul, dude? [00:23:30] Speaker B: No, I disagree with that. I don't like, I do too. I don't think so. [00:23:34] Speaker A: But no, I got Peter. The guy who denies Christ. [00:23:37] Speaker B: It was fixed. A lot of people are saying it was fixed. [00:23:43] Speaker A: China, China, China. [00:23:47] Speaker B: A lot of Jews. [00:23:49] Speaker A: If you look at the spiritual disciplines though, the personal ones, there are a lot of stuff that actually helps you kind of get more in touch with yourself and grow. Like the journaling is one of them. Prayer, meditation, fasting, silence and solitude. I mean, these are all actually like things, whether you're a Christian or not, are actually beneficial to your well being. [00:24:16] Speaker C: And your mental health. I mean, there are a lot of. [00:24:18] Speaker A: Things that we discussed in the mental health now. There is confession and Bible study and. [00:24:23] Speaker C: You know, of course prayer. That would kind of tie it into the Christian aspect of things or a faith based aspect of things. [00:24:30] Speaker A: But you know, the meditation, fasting and silence and solitude and journaling are all things that meant for mental health that are actually good. [00:24:40] Speaker C: You know, I'd argue that fasting is good for mental health. [00:24:43] Speaker B: Yeah. And I mean, it just, it just seems like the longer I'm alive, the more science is catching up to Christianity. And you know, there was that book. [00:24:57] Speaker A: I think, this, this End Times view. [00:24:59] Speaker B: No, no, no, no, no, no. [00:25:01] Speaker A: The more Christian, like the world's been. [00:25:03] Speaker B: Well, I mean, sure, sure, yeah. If you want to. If you want to go there, I'll agree with that. But I think I talked about it. I think. I think I talked about it last week. He said a main thing first. I. I think I talked about it last week when we were talking about the Sabbath. But there's, like, this whole movement now called the 624 lifestyle. I think there was a book with that title. And it's just all about how, like, we've studied brains and now we've determined that six days of work and one day of rest is actually the perfect, like, peak performance for human beings. And it's like, whoa, that's crazy. [00:25:45] Speaker A: Podcast. [00:25:46] Speaker B: What was that? [00:25:48] Speaker A: You said that in a previous podcast. [00:25:49] Speaker B: I think it was last week. Yeah, I think it was last week when we were talking about Sabbath. [00:25:52] Speaker A: From the studies. From the studies I've done in my professional career, I realize I realized peak performance comes under a 4, 10. You do four tens, you're offer three. I seem to enjoy life a little more. [00:26:10] Speaker B: Wait, what are we measuring these days are out days? [00:26:16] Speaker A: Work days, four work days, three off. You get maximum performance out of a guy like myself. [00:26:23] Speaker B: Yeah, but I. I think I said it last week, too, which is like, we. I don't consider my work done when I leave, like, my job. You know, Like, I consider. [00:26:32] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:26:33] Speaker B: Housework and everything. And it's a struggle for me. Like, I've. I've really let go of keeping a weekly Sabbath. What did you say? Like, that's true. Hey, hey, that's true. [00:26:47] Speaker A: I did not. I. I thought that's what you're going to say. [00:26:50] Speaker B: You know what? Okay. You know what? It's fine. Because now I see. Now I see how this is gonna be. Now I see how this episode is gonna be. Oh, we're playing prison rules. Okay. Oh, I'm kind of jumping around here. But I. I think that keeping a Sabbath should be one of the spiritual disciplines as well. I think that's important, but it has to be done rightly. I was never good at doing it the right way. I was very good at trying not to work and stress out for one day a week. I was never good at. For a season. I was good at, like, hey, after church, I'm gonna have lunch, and then I'm just gonna sit in the backyard and read theology books, read my Bible, pray, you know, maybe come inside at evening time and play a board game with my family, you know, but, like, just, you know, take it easy. I'm not good at, like, you know, really Getting into my Bible all day and praying and, you know, maybe going to an evening service at a. At a church, you know. [00:28:02] Speaker A: Nah, man, I'm. [00:28:03] Speaker B: Look, I know some people who do that. [00:28:06] Speaker A: Dude, I love God, but, like, church is for the mornings. [00:28:11] Speaker C: You mean get me an evening church. [00:28:12] Speaker A: You know, I mean, you're not getting me on a Saturday church. You're not getting, you know, I mean, like, some of the guys I hang out with, they're like, oh, Saturday, 4pm. [00:28:19] Speaker C: I go to church. [00:28:20] Speaker A: Nah, I go in the morning. [00:28:23] Speaker C: Yeah, that's it. [00:28:25] Speaker B: There was this one podcaster who went to church Sunday morning. They came home and had lunch. They would, like, play a little bit in the back. They had young kids. They would, like, play a little bit in the backyard, take a nap. And then it was like scripture reading, psalm singing around the dinner table, like, all that. And then they would go to an evening service. It was like. It was. [00:28:49] Speaker C: That's crazy. [00:28:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:51] Speaker A: Does not sound appealing to me. [00:28:53] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. It's hard for me to imagine, like, getting young kids to go along with that. [00:28:58] Speaker A: But now, don't get me wrong, like, what's helped me a lot is in every free moment, I try and just. [00:29:05] Speaker C: Have a conversation with God. And it's 10. It seemed to help my prayer life. [00:29:10] Speaker A: Like, I now pray when I drive. [00:29:13] Speaker C: You know, I just sit in silence and just talk to the Lord. I go over my list when I lay my head down at night, I talk to the Lord when in any moment of silence, I want to engage the Lord versus, like, jumping on social. [00:29:25] Speaker A: Media or like, if I don't have work, if I have nothing to do at work, I'll research either our podcast. [00:29:32] Speaker C: Or start working on my Bible study for the following week. [00:29:35] Speaker A: Like, I just want to be. I want to be busy in a growth, a self growth sort of way. Either drawing closer to God or growing as a. As an individual or a person versus. [00:29:48] Speaker C: Just kind of blindly being distracted by things, you know, whether it's social media or talking about, you know, bs. [00:29:56] Speaker A: But I've realized there's also, There's. There's. There's groups of disciplines, there's groups of them. And what we discussed the prayer again. I think my prayer life grew from just wanting to take five minutes, starting with something small. [00:30:16] Speaker C: Five minutes? Yeah. [00:30:17] Speaker A: And then just making. Being intentional. It's almost like the atomic habits, you know, being intentional about something small. And then that's. Something small grew into something bigger. And then it. Then it became like, I didn't intentionally want to just, hey, I have nothing to do. You know, I'm gonna talk to God. No, it was just like, I be. I started praying in the morning so. [00:30:35] Speaker C: Much that it just would continue out through my day. [00:30:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:38] Speaker C: You know. [00:30:40] Speaker A: And so, like, if someone's. [00:30:41] Speaker C: Struggling with prayer, I think that's a. [00:30:43] Speaker A: Great way to start, is just take five minutes, go through, you know, whether. [00:30:47] Speaker C: It'S the acts, you know, adoration, confession, Thanksgiving, and supplication. That's some other little. [00:30:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:30:54] Speaker C: Or whether I know a couple people. [00:30:55] Speaker A: That use a different acronym and they're like, oh, I use this one and. [00:30:58] Speaker C: I forget what it's called. [00:30:59] Speaker A: Something similar. Oh, but real quick, I wanted to touch upon. We got out of the Book of Revelation, and I was still kind of. [00:31:11] Speaker C: Listening to stuff on it. [00:31:15] Speaker A: There is no rapture of the church before tribulation. [00:31:18] Speaker C: There just isn't. [00:31:20] Speaker A: It's unbiblical. It's unbiblical. You don't see it when the plagues hit Egypt. God had the plagues hit Egypt with his people there. You don't see it when they're running from the pharaoh. You don't see it in the 40 desert or the 40 days. [00:31:36] Speaker C: You don't see it when they're battling. [00:31:38] Speaker A: All these other cities are coming upon them. You don't ever see it in the Bible that he relieves them from being present for the tribulations around them. He protects them, but he doesn't remove them. [00:31:53] Speaker B: Right. [00:31:54] Speaker A: And so just going back to that. So you know that. That whatever was a pre Trib view. [00:32:01] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I mean, I mean, definitely. Definitely. There's no Rapture in Revelation. I mean, if you're. If you're trying to read a rapture into Revelation, you're grasping at straws. If you are, it doesn't look anything like the rapture in First Thessalonians 4. And I think the point that you're making there is that the Rapture happens right after the dead are raised, which in the pre Trib view, the dead are raised right at the very end of everything. But then in first Thessalonians 4, we're raptured after the dead are raised, which would seem to imply that that happens right at the end as well, whatever that is, you know, so it's. It's anachronistic. It bothers me. [00:32:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:50] Speaker B: So I do want to. I do want to say also, if you're. If you're. You. Okay. [00:32:57] Speaker A: Yeah. I'm gonna grab another beer. [00:32:58] Speaker B: Okay. [00:32:58] Speaker C: You keep going. [00:32:59] Speaker B: Your face. [00:32:59] Speaker C: I can hear you, though. [00:33:00] Speaker B: Your face was Nuts. I do want to say that for those struggling with getting into prayer, five minute timer. That's really good. Like you said, praying some scripture is. Is very, very good. Like, I was talking about that Donald Whitney book. It. It makes it so that you're never without something to say. So just grab Psalm 1, pray through it in whatever way makes sense. You know, grab Psalm 23. Lord, you're my shepherd. Thank you for. For being a shepherd. Thank you for leading me into a peace. You know, like, you can. You can find ways to pray through pretty much any. Any section of the Bible. If not, skip ahead, you know, you'll find something. [00:33:45] Speaker A: It's crazy you bring that up. Number three is currently doing that. Like, we. We've been talking because she's currently fasting and. [00:33:54] Speaker C: And she was like, you know, I'm. [00:33:56] Speaker A: Currently just praying through Psalm 23. Exactly, Psalm 23. And so, like, even as we played Mario Party tonight, you know, she was like, the Lord is my shepherd. I shall not want. [00:34:07] Speaker C: And I was like, yeah, but I'm the rod and the staff, baby girl. You know, I mean, like. [00:34:11] Speaker A: And I'm coming, Thunder. Yeah, I'm coming. [00:34:14] Speaker B: You know, you're coming into the valley of death. I'm bringing hell with me. [00:34:21] Speaker A: So. [00:34:23] Speaker C: But she would. She, like, throughout. [00:34:25] Speaker A: Throughout the last couple days, she's been. [00:34:29] Speaker C: You know, basically quoting the. [00:34:31] Speaker A: The Psalm 23, and. [00:34:32] Speaker C: And she's like, I've been praying over it, praying about it, because I just. [00:34:35] Speaker A: Feel a disconnect with the Lord. And although I know it's temporary, I. [00:34:39] Speaker C: Don'T want to stay in it. [00:34:44] Speaker A: So I thought that was really cool. [00:34:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:47] Speaker A: What about meditation? [00:34:48] Speaker C: Because I think you. [00:34:50] Speaker A: We've talked about it before. Certain meditation is not biblical, and certain meditation is. [00:35:00] Speaker B: Yeah, so I haven't been meditating for a while. I think I was when we first started the podcast. That's probably why I couldn't shut up about it. I've been thinking about trying to get back into it and, you know, just meditating on whatever scripture I read that morning or something. But my whole routine. Part of the reason I wanted to talk about this subject as far as, like, a daily routine and habits and spiritual disciplines, was because I'm just very struggling to have any sort of regular routine for things. You know, I'm reading my Bible, but it's not till my lunch break. So, you know, it's. It just kind of throws off a lot of the rhythms that come naturally to us when we're doing like, a morning Bible reading, you know, but there's just a lot going on. [00:35:51] Speaker C: So you do meditate in your mornings? [00:35:54] Speaker B: Not in a while. I think it's probably been a month or two since I was meditating. [00:36:00] Speaker C: And how does that look for you? Because, you know, I get up probably anywhere from an hour to an hour and a half before I actually have to be at work. And it's only about a 20 minute, 25 minute drive to work, so I have an hour of free time. But like, for me, that's getting up, that's kind of just taking my time, taking a shower, shaving, getting dressed, making sure I have everything, you know, packed for, for number four is lunch. And then I hit the road. Now with that, what is, what is your morning look like that you can implement about a month ago, whatever it was. When you do this normally, what does it look like in the morning for you? [00:36:39] Speaker B: It was, I mean, basically for the last year or so. Basically ever since the baby was born, I'm just getting up right when I got to start getting ready for work. I get up, I make coffee, I get dressed, and I hit the road. So you make the coffee And I sure do. Although in this season the baby is sleeping in, you know, till after I'm gone. So that's been nice on everyone. But I, I was grabbing like an eight minute meditation. Maybe I would make time for that, you know, just as a small, you know, I preferred like 20 minutes. So I would just do like the 20 minute at night and just do a little something in the morning just to kind of calm down and focus. But, you know, what I was doing was not. It was mostly medicinal. It was mostly to like focus and lower my blood pressure and stuff. I wasn't like meditating on scripture or anything. I was just kind of trying to breathe. [00:37:51] Speaker C: And I get it, like, fuck, please don't blow up on Frank today. Frank's gonna be. Gonna be a dick today. So just, just prayer. Prepare yourself, you know, just prepare yourself for that. [00:38:02] Speaker B: Yeah, Trying to practice focus basically by like noticing when my thoughts kind of start to wander that way. And I probably would be thinking something similar to that. I'd be thinking like, oh, you know, I'm. I'm meditating for a result. So like, then you start to think about the results and you're like, God, I'm gonna be so chill today. And then you realize like, hey, you're, you're distracting from the actual thing you're doing thinking about the results. And so it's a, it's actually a meditation for ADHD where you, you Focus on a spot on your head and every time your attention starts to wander away from it, you go back to focusing. And so essentially what this neurologist I was listening to was saying was that the practice of refocusing builds your focus. So the whole point is that you will eventually drift off to something else. It's recognizing it and bringing focus back is like the key to building better focus throughout your life. And I think it was working. I was, I, like, I noticed over time, like my, I'm not shaking my legs all the time when I'm sitting at my desk. You know, I'm not like drumming my hands on the table and. [00:39:17] Speaker C: Is that a book? What. What book was that? Because I feel like I read that book. [00:39:21] Speaker B: I listened to a podcast. I was listening to Andrew Huberman. [00:39:27] Speaker C: Now let me ask you, man, this refocusing on a spot on your head. Are you looking in the mirror or is this just a, like. No, like mental. [00:39:37] Speaker B: Like in my head I'm like, I'm focusing like, you know, like on my brain, like a few inches behind my forehead. You know, it's just you could probably do your kneecap or your left toe. It's just basically directing your thoughts to a point of focus to practice, you know, not losing focus. [00:40:00] Speaker C: I read a book by Cal Newport called Deep Work and it's rules for, for focused success in a distracted world. And it was, it sounded very similar to what you were. Yeah, he just saying about the focusing on refocusing. [00:40:16] Speaker B: He. He might be drawing on some of the same studies and stuff. That's, that's very possible. [00:40:24] Speaker C: Dude. You might actually really enjoy that book because it does talk about like, almost like what you were saying, that 624 rule or whatever. But he does bring up a lot of. He uses focused success. Deep Work. [00:40:41] Speaker B: Deep Work. [00:40:44] Speaker C: He uses Hume. I think he does it. David Hume? [00:40:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:48] Speaker C: Guy who. Yeah, he uses him. He uses some of Bill Gates tactics. He uses, I think the guy that owned Twitter prior to Elon Musk, Jack Dorsey. But he just. I think so. And he talks about like some, like how they. Would. They. Would they get you get more done when you eliminate distractions. There is no such thing as double tasking. Like, like, oh, I'm double. I'm double task. That's not a thing. What you're doing is you're doing half ass work on both projects. Multitasking. That's. Yeah, there is no such thing as multitasking. You're just doing shoddy work on both, Both tasks you're doing. Yeah. And so he kind of goes through that process and talks about the benefits of actually secluding yourself or withdrawing from a world of. Full of distractions. It's actually. I think I'm going to reread it, actually. [00:41:42] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm looking. I'm looking for it on Libby. I wanted to see if it was on there. [00:41:51] Speaker C: I could probably link you to my family account. You can just jump into my library. It's an audiobook. [00:41:56] Speaker B: Okay. [00:41:57] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, I'll check that out. [00:41:59] Speaker B: I'll see if it's available. I won't have to bug you for it if it is. [00:42:04] Speaker C: You're not bugging me, bro. Yeah. I was wondering what your meditation looked like, because I think eight minutes. Eight minutes Seems like it's just not long enough for me. [00:42:14] Speaker B: It definitely was not. It should have been longer. But considering the time that I gave myself every morning, half of my getting ready was probably meditating at that point. So it was. [00:42:30] Speaker C: So you're doing like a Medita. [00:42:32] Speaker B: Yeah, the 20 minute. I did the 20 minutes at night and that was great. That was always way better. [00:42:37] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah, I could see that. So when. What I would do in my meditation was two things. I had a fidget. You saw. We talked about this before. The fidget ring. [00:42:46] Speaker B: Yeah, the ring. [00:42:47] Speaker C: Yeah. And it wasn't like a fidget spinner where I'm just blazing, you know, just spinning that thing. You know what I mean? But it was just something where I can rub in my hand. [00:42:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:56] Speaker C: To get my thoughts off of. Off of. Off of thoughts. The other thing I did was I prayed through every thought that came in my mind. So it was like, you know, I'd be sitting there for some reason, and it's not really some reason I'm getting it now. Especially after we talked about porn addiction. Whenever I'd be at church and it'd be like quiet time or prayer time or like my mind would just wander to having sex with somebody on a beach. And it was usually somebody in my vicinity at church or. You know what I mean? [00:43:29] Speaker B: Who would you do in your head? [00:43:32] Speaker C: You know what I'm saying? Who and where, you know, and. But I'd be fighting against that most of time. Like, Lord, like, I know I shouldn't be thinking these thoughts. Like, please remove these thoughts from me. Not knowing that I controlled a lot of the thoughts by what I've subjected myself to at this time. [00:43:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:46] Speaker C: But you know, when. When I was in my alone meditation time. This one, I was going through that book by Johnson, Spiritual Disordered Spiritual Discipline Companion I think it's Jan Johnson. I think it's a chick. Which wasn't really. [00:44:03] Speaker B: I remember. I remember the first time you bought a book by her. You thought it was John. You're like, oh, oh, no. [00:44:11] Speaker C: It's the only book I bought by her. [00:44:13] Speaker B: Oh, I thought that was the only book I bought. Yeah. I thought that was like, Treasures in Heaven or something like that. What was that? [00:44:22] Speaker C: No, it was. It was the spiritual disciplines. I went through it with Lawrence. I don't mind saying his name, so I'm not giving the whole thing. [00:44:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:30] Speaker C: But I went through it with him, and it was good. And so it was probably one of my better times in my spiritual walk. Like, a lot of people noticed a different version of me. Like, I was more patient with people. I was more tending to lead them into prayer or lead them to point them into a direction of the Lord versus, like, kind of criticizing or. Or correcting or condemning or giving my opinion on things. But a lot of that time of meditation, it would just be like if a thought came in. I'm praying it through, Lord. I want to, you know, just lay this before you and walk it through, like, until it's done, until you're. You're. You've kind of wiped it off the plate. Not like, lord, take this from me. So I get back to this. It was just like, all right, let's address that. Like, this is where it's at. You know, I either, you know, I'm either apologetic for it, or I'm praying for success in that area or whatever it is over that individual. And so that's kind of how I did it. One of the other disciplines that I personally think one of the other disciplines that's harder is actual Bible study. Like, it's easy to read the Bible. [00:45:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:40] Speaker C: But to sit there and, like, break out time to study it, to me is a. Can be a chore. If you're trying. Like I'm doing, I do it for a Bible study. Like, I'm trying to give these guys some meat. Where when I do it for myself, it's a little different. But I also don't get a lot from it. I shouldn't say I get more from it. I should say when I study it versus just reading it, saying, okay, cool. Because when I'm reading it and I'm seeing these things, I'm moving on to the next chapter, next verse. When I'm studying it, I'm committing it to my memory in some way by either writing it down or making a note or you Know what I mean? [00:46:18] Speaker B: Let me. Let me. [00:46:19] Speaker C: But it breaks up the reading. [00:46:20] Speaker B: Let me bridge the gap between those two things. This has helped me a lot over the course of studying a book. Recently I did Colossians and Hebrews. This way. I try to read the book 30 times over the course of my study, so usually just once a day for a month. For Hebrews, I think I did, like, three months, so that it was just, like, portions of it every day so it was easier. But if you don't. [00:46:51] Speaker C: If. [00:46:51] Speaker B: If you're having trouble getting into, you know, like, breaking out the pens and the rulers and all the stuff, and like, you. You don't know what commentary can give yourself seven days by just reading it over and over again. And then you're going to start to see things that you weren't seeing before in the repetition of reading it. And then you're already. You're already starting to draw lines and you're starting to see things that you want to study. And then it's. It's a little easier. It's kind of wading in. In the shallow end if you. If you just read it through a few times. [00:47:23] Speaker C: No, and I agree with that, because Howard Hendricks has a book, Living by the Book, which is a great book also. And he talks about when he would have a class, when he sees a professor. It's like, first day, I have all my students come in, and I hand them a picture of a fish, and I say, mark down everything, every characteristic you see about this fish. Everything you can give. Like, see, whatever, Just write it down. He goes, the first day, they have a list of, like, five, six items. He was, okay, well, give me more. And then he goes, I tell them that, like, the record is, like, 185 things that have been, you know, called out about this fish. And he goes, and we'll keep doing it and keep doing it. And then they start getting more creative, and not so much more creative in the sense of, like, oh, it's got scales and it's also got a blue scale. No, he's like, they're starting to actually look at it more in depth. They're looking at it differently. They're saying, okay, like, oh, shoot, like, now we're talking about shape. Oh, now we're talking about reflection on the scales. Oh, now we're talking about, you know, where the gills lay or whatever. But he says they start drawing out more stuff because they're forced to look at this fish until they have a certain amount of details. And he said, but they don't they don't get all those details in one day. They get it because they keep revisiting that fish every day, you know, and so that's a great way to actually kind of compare it. Yes, I get what you're saying on that, too. [00:49:01] Speaker B: It kind of reminds me. Related, but not. One of my favorite Bible study methods is to take a verse, and it helps if you go every verse in the paragraph or the chapter that you're studying. But I like to take a verse, write down everything that I can gleam from that verse, and then I might get 10 things out of it. But I know there's more. You know, it's like, if it says Lord, there's one word I can get three things out of. You know, like, let's. Let's just dig each individual word, and let's see, like, how much I can really drag out of this one verse. It's. It's cool. [00:49:41] Speaker C: I like that. So let's. Let's. Let's. What are. I guess some of these questions I'm looking at that I have are pretty obvious, like, how do they help us grow closer to God? Why are they important in the life of a believer? And what are spiritual disciplines? But those, to me, kind of seem like those questions that are fairly common or easy to answer. You know, they're obvious. I think they're obvious answers. I think some of the harder ones, and I think, like, meditation and silence and solitude are kind of similar, but I don't think they're similar in a sense of, like, I. Sometimes in my. My alone time with God, I'm like. I'm blowing up the line. You know what I mean? I'm just like, Lord, and I'm just, you know, I'm praying for. For, you know, going over my list. You know, I pray for this guy. I pray for this. This group. I pray for healing here. I pray for missionaries all over the world. I pray for Boston's marriage and her son and. And her father's health and praying for, you know, stitches, family, and the move, and I hope that goes successful. I'm praying over my job and the employees. I'm praying over non believers around me. I'm not just sitting there and saying like, okay, Lord, like, what do you want to tell me? What do you want to say to me? You know? What do you. What do you want me to hear? You know, there's not a lot of that, and I think that's kind of why I get the Peter card pulled. You know what I mean? Like, I'm just so quick to be like, like. Nah, forget that, dude. You ain't doing that. You know what I mean? [00:51:26] Speaker A: I got it. [00:51:27] Speaker C: I got it. [00:51:28] Speaker B: Build a tent for all of you. [00:51:34] Speaker C: Well, slashing ears and denying. Christ. Yeah. [00:51:39] Speaker B: I do want to ask you because you're. You're. You're something of a faster and I've. Yeah, I don't think. I mean, I'm really racking my brain to think of a single time I've fasted. I really don't think I've ever done it. [00:51:57] Speaker C: No, you don't look like you have. [00:51:58] Speaker B: Oh, thanks. Every time. Every time I forget that the podcast is nasty tonight and I. And I miss opportunities to be nasty to you, and then you hit me with something and I realize, like, so vulnerable. You don't look like it. Thanks. Yeah. [00:52:23] Speaker C: You know, I will say one of the. Not at my heaviest, one of the most valuable garbage pail cards. Garbage pail kids cards. Yeah. Is your nickname. [00:52:38] Speaker B: My nickname? [00:52:40] Speaker C: Yeah, the one that my kids have for you. Yeah. Oh, I didn't realize that. I didn't even know that. [00:52:45] Speaker B: A real thing. [00:52:46] Speaker C: Swear. I just saw it on. On a card. Google card video. Google vampire. [00:52:55] Speaker B: There's no way that number two knew about that. [00:53:01] Speaker A: So, fasting. [00:53:02] Speaker C: What was. Where were you going with fasting? [00:53:05] Speaker B: Oh, I mean, what do you recommend for someone who's never done it before? Me and the audience. [00:53:11] Speaker C: Okay, so first of all, you know people. Okay. So I was having this conversation with my daughter because she's on her fast, and I said, here's the thing. [00:53:19] Speaker B: I said, oh, my God, shut up about your daughter's fast. We get it. Oh, my God, you raised one Christian. Okay, I get it. You're a success. [00:53:36] Speaker C: Well, I say that, Dick, because it was. It's been brought up a lot. And I said. And I was talking to her, and it's actually been brought up at work because some of the guys at work, they do like. Like my project managers, my client. The project manager jurors on my client's side, they. They do like three day fast. And then one of the managers on my client's side, he'll. He fast. He does intermittent fasting. Where he fasts from. He only eats 5 to 9pm, 5pm to 9pm and that kind of took your breath away. [00:54:13] Speaker B: I do like 11 to 7. Is that all right? [00:54:19] Speaker C: Well, here's the thing. They've asked, you know, you in the youth ministry, you hear a lot of like, hey, fast from cigarette or not cigarettes, but video games or from tv, you know, some People, you know, it's kind of where I'm at right now. I want to fast from, like, just the pull of cigarettes or cigars, you know, Like, I like. Again, I get there in the morning, I see someone else smoking, and I'm like, cool. I want. I want to go bum a smoke, converse with them, have a coffee, watch people walk in, you know, come into the job site. And so. But I was talking to her, and I said, here's the thing. You take someone that plays video games or watches tv, and you say, fast from playing video games and watching tv, they go. [00:55:04] Speaker B: And I. [00:55:06] Speaker C: Could jump from that to another distraction. So, you know, if I tell my kids, hey, we're going on a camping trip, and, you know, let's say they got a Mario party addiction, and I say, hey, this weekend we're going on a camping trip, I don't think they're gonna be on the camping trip being like, oh, man. Like, I really am feeding for Mario party. And, you know, because I can't play it, I'm gonna, you know, kind of turn my focus to. To prayer and. Or turn my focus to, you know, just kind of what I'm trying to accomplish from this fast where you don't have that option with food. Whether you're playing video games or whether you're camping or whether you're working, no matter what you're doing, when you're hungry, you're hungry, and your body lets you know you could be dead conversation. You could be on a date, trying to impress somebody at work or a boss or something. When you're hungry, your stomach's like, nigger, I'm hungry. [00:56:01] Speaker A: Feed me. [00:56:01] Speaker C: Like, feed me now. And so I think when you fast from. When you're fasting from food, because, again, it's not something we can control. We can't control the God of our belly. It's one of those things where it's like, it hurts sometimes. And the worst. The worst time that you're going to go through is the first three days. First three days are the worst, and it's not. [00:56:29] Speaker B: Have you done more than three days? [00:56:31] Speaker C: I've done 17. Just water. [00:56:35] Speaker B: Dude. Dude, until this moment, I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm not gonna lie to you right now. Until this moment. If I ever met someone who claimed to go more than three days, I thought for sure they were bullshitting. But I believe you, and I trust you, and I know that you're not a liar most of the time. And if you say 17 days, I. Coffee? [00:57:06] Speaker C: Yeah, I Did coffee and water. Coffee and water. But coffee was in the morning, and most time it was just water. [00:57:13] Speaker B: I. Now I drink coffee on an empty stomach every day. But I don't know what it's like to drink coffee on an empty stomach after not eating for three days. I mean, that's got to be something else. [00:57:24] Speaker C: I don't know if it was different because it's instant coffee. It was, you know, the crystals that you kind of drop into hot water and stir around. But I mean, it wasn't. Again, the first three days are the worst. You know, like, your stomach is just like, feed me. After three days, you kind of forget about eating, except for maybe once a day where you're like, oh, the first three days, like, you're looking at everybody else eat. You're like, oh, my gosh, that looks good. Like, you're just. Oh, your stomach hurts. You're. You have. You're having, like. Like pains that you're just like. Like, I got. Like, I have to enter. Enter into prayer or something. I have to distract myself. When. After you get past the third day, it's not that bad. It does get worse around, like, again, day 14, 15, 16. Because now you're like, I've gone the distance. I've gone a distance. And now you're kind of. You're around certain foods, and you're just like, well. And now you're negotiating with yourself. Okay, I'm good. Who are you trying to impress here? You know, I mean, and I'm not gonna lie. The only reason I did 17 days was because I was broke in Mexico. And I figured, well, I don't have money to eat in Mexico, so why not use this time to fast and draw closer to the Lord through prayer? And so that's what I did. And then day 17, I got some money. And so. [00:58:58] Speaker B: That is savage, dude. [00:58:59] Speaker C: The wire came through, and I had some food. [00:59:03] Speaker B: I feel like there's a whole story there to be explored. But it was with tq. Yeah. No, I figured. But, like, how. Why couldn't you get money? [00:59:14] Speaker C: I was unemployed, and it was a. It was a. Like a. It was a mission trip that was basically presented like, I don't know, two days before I said, I'll go. We were down there for five weeks, and it was like, fine, I'll go. I ain't got no money. And it was, you know, tq, you know, the Lord will provide. He talks you into it like, hey, just come. You know, none of this, like, how about worry I got, bro. [00:59:41] Speaker B: I drop a 20 on you. [00:59:44] Speaker C: Yeah, none of that. [00:59:45] Speaker B: The Lord will provide. [00:59:46] Speaker C: There was no, like, hey, I got you, bro. Don't worry about this. It was like, the Lord will provide. [00:59:50] Speaker B: I'm like, I hate him. [00:59:54] Speaker C: And I went with another guy who was in a similar situation. He was a younger kid, and I didn't know him. He didn't go to our church or anything. He was just, you know, a TQ follower from wherever TQ came from in California, Bakersfield or whatever. [01:00:09] Speaker B: Oh, friends. [01:00:11] Speaker C: Yeah. And so that kid came and I was like, dude, like, we'll do it together. We'll hold each other accountable and stuff. But that guy, like. Like, he was getting angry, like, because he was hungry. Like, he would get mad to where, like, TQ was like, hey, look, like you're kind of defeating the whole purpose. [01:00:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:00:28] Speaker C: Like, you're getting upset and bothered and blaming it on your hunger. Like, that's not what you. What you do. But, yeah, me and that. Me and that kid went 17 days before we. We got, you know, I got money wired from, like, my wife or whatever at the time. And again, you had to wire it down to. To Mexico somewhere. So he was going into town and getting it and stuff like that. But since then, I've. I've. I've only fasted maybe 5, 6 days at a time. But I mean, like, it's. It's. It's the same thing. It's. It's. First three days are really hard. But again, they're pressing you that if. If you're doing it with a certain goal in mind. Like, I wanted answers. I expected answers through it, you know, I was like, lord, like, what are you doing here? You know, what are you trying to do with my current situation? And so, yeah, like, why are you. [01:01:22] Speaker B: Letting me go with a pedophile down to Mexico? I mean, clearly you've got bigger plans for me. [01:01:31] Speaker C: Well, I didn't really question that. I was kind of excited on that one. I was like, ah, like, you know. [01:01:36] Speaker B: I bet he knows all the good. [01:01:38] Speaker C: Spots, what I am to him, you know? So you say there's a chance. No, again, I'll try anything twice. And so, you know, this, the second time around, I'm gonna make it work. You know what I mean? You know, like, first time I was molested didn't work so well. Tormented me throughout my. My team. [01:02:02] Speaker B: All right, all right. I tap out. I tap out. I. You got me? I can't keep going. What are you trying to do. [01:02:14] Speaker C: You know? Dude. Dude. I do look at that, though. Like, being molested at. At a Kind of a young, you know, I think I was like 9 or 10. But I could have had a lot more issues. I feel like, I feel like I've rebounded pretty well. [01:02:29] Speaker A: I gotta say. [01:02:30] Speaker B: You're just that kind of guy. You're just that kind of guy that's analytical enough to not like, I mean, I don't know if this happened to you or not, but like a lot of people feel like, oh, that's like my fault. Like I did something to deserve that and I have this deficiency and stuff. I'm pretty sure your outlook on it was like, that was up, you know. [01:02:54] Speaker C: Like, I mean, I get it. I was a good looking kid, bro. You know, I mean, women is. I don't hear women sleeping with me. [01:03:02] Speaker B: Is that a great new can or what? I'll show you a Pepsi can. [01:03:09] Speaker C: 24 year old going down on me. It was like, okay, so for a male, I mean, he couldn't help it. No. [01:03:17] Speaker A: No, I did. [01:03:17] Speaker C: I. It messed me up at first because it was my first like real sexual experience. And so, yes, there were nights where, you know, like I would want to, like I remember being in junior high, like wanting to fantasize about a girl, but at the same time like never being with an actual like, woman woman, you know, I mean like when we were, you know, in elementary school, you know. Of course, yeah, but they didn't have tits. You know, I mean like in elementary school, like we did stuff like, you know, we licked and, and prod and poked, but we didn't. There was no Internet, there was no intercourse. And so like when, when I became like after that incident, a lot of what I was thinking, like a lot of my fascinations or I'd say like fantasies. They weren't fantasies though. They were just thoughts of like, maybe like I would think about dudes, like, because that was the real only sexual engagement I had. And it was like, okay, maybe I like dudes, but I'm like, no, I know I like women. But like, man, like he, like I would think about him sometimes because it was the only sexual engagement I really had. And so there was that hurdle. But after getting over that hurdle. [01:04:28] Speaker B: So once you hooked up with chicks, it wasn't a thing anymore. [01:04:33] Speaker C: Oh no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, here and there I dabble, but you know, you grow out of that when you come to the Lord. [01:04:42] Speaker B: So. So, you know, basically what I'm saying is like you're, you're just God. And I'm not, I'm not trying to victim blame. I'M not trying to do anything like that. Whatever woke term is going to be put on me. You're just not a weak minded person. And I feel like some of this, like, I know you can't help it, I know you can't help like how you feel or process trauma or whatever, but some people's reaction to things like that really just makes me feel like, man, you're just weak. Like only a weak person would see a predator going against a child as your fault, you know? [01:05:18] Speaker C: Like, that's crazy because like me and my siblings all kind of, we have the same upbringing, you know, like, and they're for the most part like me and my younger siblings are like talking to the older sibling. Like, hey, get over it. Like you. Yeah, like you, you dad and mom abandoned you when you were 14 and left you at a church. Like, you know, left you with his ex wife and you eventually went and lived with your church group, your, your youth group leaders. But at the same time, like, you didn't have to endure the ass whippings, you didn't have to endure the punches, the slaps, the throwdowns. Like, you didn't endure none of that. You didn't have to witness mom getting beat every night. So like you had like, you, you're pretty fortunate. But she seems to be the one that struggles the most with like, you know, everything. You know, like I, we were at a family function and she was like, lilo. Like, you left me. You just like left me. You never came back for me. And I'm like, bro, I was 13. And she's like, but you left me. And I'm like, what was I supposed to. [01:06:18] Speaker A: I'm 13. [01:06:19] Speaker C: Like, I didn't have a car, I didn't have a job. Parents said, this is where we're going. This is where we're going. And mind you, they came, they, they, they kind of came in on the side on me, you know, I mean, they like, I didn't know he was supposed to come pick me up. All of a sudden he's like, I'm moving in. I didn't know this shit was gonna happen. And she's like, but you. And I'm like, look, there clearly is no talking to you about this. Like you're stuck on the fact that, you know, she and she. [01:06:44] Speaker B: That's exactly the word I was thinking is stuck. So like that. I totally understand a child processing it that way and feeling that way. But like, doesn't there come. [01:06:54] Speaker C: Oh, we were in our 30s in this conversation. [01:06:56] Speaker B: But no, no, I Originally feeling that way and processing it that way, but it feels like she never analyzed it or moved on from that. Whereas, like, I feel like you and I are very good at kind of analyzing and, like, giving the benefit of the doubt and kind of seeing different perspectives and stuff, and we just wouldn't hold on to something like that. Like, I get. I get my dad's whole thing. Like, as an adult, I don't not understand the way that my dad was. He was a fucking old bachelor who never wanted to get married and had. And have kids, and then he got married and had kids. That's what happened to my dad. So it's like, I get that. I get why he wasn't super stoked doped to be in the situation he was in, you know, I'm not going to be like that with my kid. But, like, I. I don't have this just unending resentment toward him for that, you know? [01:07:51] Speaker C: Yeah, no, I. I totally, totally agree. [01:07:58] Speaker B: What was that? I don't know that song. [01:08:02] Speaker C: You don't know that song? Man, I'm kind of. I'm kind of sad that you don't know that song. Let's see if you know this. I'm trying to get out of this damn window that is blocking it. Here we go. She said can nobody break my stride? Can nobody hold me down? Oh, no I got to keep on moving. That's how I feel, man. You know, you. You can't let anybody slow down your. Where you're headed, where you're going. I. I refuse to let. Like, again, like, that whole situation with my pops coming, and I wish we had that episode. I. I don't think I even had a memory card in during that night. But once I realized why his presence bothered me in my house. And it wasn't so much that it bothered me because of me. It bothered me because my kids were uncomfortable. The fact that he was here and he was just a waste of space in my house, you know, like, it was restricting their flow after. I, like, it's just like, huh. He texted me the. The other day. Hey, how you doing? [01:09:18] Speaker A: I miss you. [01:09:18] Speaker C: Good. Miss you too. Love you. Don't care to really engage, bro. Like, honestly, like, you know, I know there's some. Something behind it. What, you gonna ask for some money? So there are personal disciplines, which we covered, some of them which were the prayer, meditation, and fasting, as well as Bible study, silence and solitude, journaling, which we covered in our mental. Well, not really mental. It was like our first podcast, our first real one. And Then there's confession, of course, but then there's corporate disciplines. And so those were the seven I saw as personal. But the seven corporate ones are worship, fellowship, Communion service, and Sabbath rest, which I don't know how that is a corporate one. [01:10:08] Speaker B: Well, I kind of. I can see where that's, like, denominational. It does seem like there. There are individuals who Sabbath, and then there's, like, denominations who Sabbath, you know, the opc, Sabbaths. That's like a big part of their thing, you know. You don't see it taken very seriously in a lot of other denominations. But Communion, dude, it's. I didn't even think we'd get to communion because I just. I wasn't sure if that was necessary a spiritual discipline. But I've been diving into two books about communion, just trying to figure out what I'm not getting about it, you know, and maybe you could probably speak to this. But I just feel like it's meant to be kind of a mystery. And it's very hard for me to live in that and understand that, you know, because I want to analyze everything and I want to get the answers to every little thing. And it just seemed. [01:11:20] Speaker C: So you're. What. Are you confused that it's a discipline or not? I shouldn't say confused. Are you kind of like, why is it a discipline? Or are you kind of like, why do we do it? [01:11:31] Speaker B: It's kind of like, why do we do it? It's like I've got maybe five good answers, and then like, five questions about it. It's that kind of thing where it's like, I get all of it. I don't. You know, but, like, there are mysteries about it that can't really be answered. And it's like, essentially in. In the Reformed tradition, which I vaguely fall into, it's magic. They're not going to use that word. They would hate that I use that word for it. It's a perfectly fine word for what it is. It's. It's magic. It's. They. They use the words spiritual nourishment, but it's like, how. How does it. You know, and then. But then, like. [01:12:16] Speaker C: So this is how I look at communion, and I don't see a mystery in it. Like, I don't see the mystery in it, nor do I read biblically that there's a mystery behind it, maybe. So if you're reading the actual, like, night of. Where he's like, hey, this is. But I kind of look at it like, when. When. When I take it, it's a kind of like a. Focus in on the crucifixion. [01:12:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:12:46] Speaker C: Focus in on the per. You know, the. The unleavened bread. The. The man with no sin. Focus in on the fact that, you know, like, some of it. Sometimes you got like that little brown on the bread, you know, from it being toasted. And I. I look at that as, like some of this, you know, and not that I look at it like, oh, this bread has scars on it, but for me, it's like he was, you know, he was scarred for us. And then it's, you know, you, You. As the bread breaks in my mouth, I'm like, man, like his bones were crushed. You know, like it pleased God to crush him according to the book of Isaiah. And so. And then the blood that was spilled for us is, you know, that's just. That's all, like, that's all for me. That's all it is. It's a refocus on what he did on the cross for us. It's nothing for me. There's nothing magical in it where I'm like, I don't feel like. Like I hit the. The question mark and I'm, you know, I got the mushroom, you know, like, there's none of that, dude. It's. It's simply like, okay, like, I want to take a moment. I want to make sure I'm. I'm right. I want to go. I want to make sure that I don't have any beef with anybody again, like, all, like, the three people, three or four people in my life right now that bug me the most. Big country. My toothless neighbor downstairs. And. [01:14:08] Speaker B: Is that the babysitter? [01:14:11] Speaker C: Shoot, I had the ex babysitter. Yes. [01:14:14] Speaker B: Okay. [01:14:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:14:17] Speaker C: And then there's. There's like a guy at work that my. My PM at work. Not stretch marks. My actual pm. He's kind of an atheist, but just one of those douchers that everything's related to sex. He, you know, he's, you know, he. He constantly interrupts when I'm like, in deep thought, writing emails and stuff, like, trying to get stuff accomplished. And he's like, hey, so what do you. What about this? And I'm like, dude, I've already told you twice. I shot you a picture of my notebook so that you saw the information I wrote down. You're asking me information that's in that picture? You saw that I wrote it down. I don't like to answer questions more than once. Like, if it's the same question, I'm going to tell you, at this point, grab a notebook and write the down so you don't interrupt me again to ask the question the third time, because then I'm really irritated. But I don't say that I try and give him grace, but when I think about those three people, I have to automatically go into prayer for their salvation, for, for my heart. My heart and their salvation. It's like, lord, I pray that, you know, you, one, change my heart towards them, and two, bring them closer to you in a relationship. Because the guy downstairs isn't saved. Openly not saved. The guy at work isn't saved. Big country doesn't have fruit that would be scriptural or spiritual. So I wouldn't guess that she's in A as she saved. I mean, once saved, always saved. I don't know. I've heard of being shipwrecked. You know, I don't know how that works. I heard also that no one could snatch you from his hand. But B, were you ever in his hand? [01:15:52] Speaker B: That's the question. So, so how does that relate to communion? [01:16:04] Speaker C: No, before I take communion, I have to check my heart. You know what I mean? Like, and so when, when I'm about to take communion, like, I want to make sure, lord, please change my heart. Like, continue to change my heart towards these people. There's nothing I have to go correct with them. They're not in the faith. But I definitely don't want to be like, like, you know, kind of fingers up, blazing, you know, like these. And then, you know, tilt the head back and pour up the cup. Like, I, I wanna, I wanna be able to say, Lord, you know, like, where. Check my heart and my motives. But if I do have something with someone in the body, I need to go make that right first. You know, like, it's, it's just a, for me, it's almost like an inventory. Where are you at right now? This is what the sacrifice was. This is what, what, what he did for you. Where are you at? Are you sacrificing right now? Are you putting your pride aside? Are you, are you being humble enough to go make things right with those individuals? And for the most part, I will reach out to those individuals. You know, I did to the guy downstairs, told the guy at work, you know, I was praying for his mom when she was going through stuff. And you know, with, with Big Country, I do try and treat her with respect and with, you know, like, I don't tell her the stuff I want to tell her, you know, so I, I, for me, that's what Communion is, it's an inventory of self in view of the sacrifice that was taking place. [01:17:40] Speaker B: Okay. I had a conversation with Chat gbt. It's my favorite thing to do now. If I don't understand something, I just literally start a conversation with ChatGPT and then as it says things, I'm like, what do you mean by that? Because I don't really get, you know, and it's, you really can have like a full blown conversation. So you would think that something like Chat GBT would be like biased to give you like bad views of theology and stuff. Surprisingly, if you just tell it like, hey, talk to me like you're a reformed theologian or a good, you know, talk to me like you're R.C. sproul or some, someone you like, it will stay very good. [01:18:22] Speaker C: You do have to be specific. You do have to be. Because, because I've, I've had some questions for it and it's responded with some Mormon. And then like the links supporting it were Mormon. And I was like, oh, we gotta switch this up, dude. [01:18:35] Speaker B: Yeah, so I, I, one night I was asking it just kind of what I threw out to you. Just like everything that I don't really get. And here's kind of, I'll skip ahead to it being a means of grace because like, what is that? Like, I don't really get, I mean, I get it, it's, it's, it's everything I've been saying. I get it. But like, what do you really mean by that? You know what I mean? That makes sense. So I asked, like, give me Scriptures to support that. The Lord's Supper is a means of grace. First Corinthians 10, 16, 17. The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? Key point. Paul uses the word participation, koinonia, meaning fellowship or communion, indicating a real spiritual sharing in Christ, not just remembering, but actually being nourished by him. And so I'd have a million more questions like how exactly, what is the mechanism for it nourishing us? You know, but, but that's kind of where, you know, and again, Reformed folks would hate that I use the word magic, but it's magic. I don't know what to tell you, you know, I'm not, I'm not meaning that in any like antichrist form of magic. I just mean like, it's just something that happens, you know? Yeah. First Corinthians 11:23. Do this in remembrance of Me. As often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. Key point. While remembrance is part of the Supper, it is an active proclamation and ongoing participation in the benefits of Christ's death. It's not just looking backwards, but engaging in a present reality. Okay, John 6:53 through 56. Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Key point. Not directly about the Lord's Supper, because it predates the institution. Many Reformed theologians see this as speaking to the broader reality of feeding on Christ by faith, which the Supper embodies. So it kind of sounds like that's a truer spiritual reality, and then the Supper is kind of downstream from that as kind of like an act of it. Acts 2:42. Now, this is one, and this might be a story for another day, but I was at a church that did not do Communion every week, and I wrote an essay on why we should do it every week. And they wiped their ass with it and said, we're not going to do that. But. But this was a big one in there. Acts 2:42. They devoted themselves to the apostles teaching and the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. So the early church treated the Lord's Supper as a central, ongoing act of worship alongside the Word and prayer. And I remember R. Scott Clark, it was on that podcast I was talking about earlier with the guy that had that really rigid Sabbath schedule. Scott Clark said, it's really ironic that we will skip church on Sunday and just read our Bibles because the Bible commands us to fellowship and to take the Lord's Supper. And. And Most Christians until 500 years ago didn't have a Bible they could just read. And it's like, whoa, okay. That kind of changes everything that I think about, like, personal spiritual disciplines and stuff, because I would put that so high. And I. And he. He caveated that if we have a Bible, we are required to read it and be involved with God's word. Obviously, Psalm 119 has a lot to say about how we view the Word of God, but we have a privilege here that, like, most of church history did not have, you know, so, like, are we putting that above things that God is very specifically commanding? They still didn't think that was a good argument, if you can believe that. And then finally it gave. Gave me. [01:22:58] Speaker C: I'd almost say that's a argument for us not to fellowship. What well, they were fellowshipping because they didn't have the Bible. [01:23:09] Speaker B: D. They all had aoy. [01:23:13] Speaker C: They all had to get together to hear the letter being read, you know. [01:23:17] Speaker B: Oh, man. And I, I think about that sometimes and I think, like, man, how hard that would have been. Or maybe because you just didn't know any different. Maybe it wasn't hard, but like, to not have your own Bible and just be relying on your pastor to give you the word every week, like, I would struggle, dude. [01:23:37] Speaker C: It had to be hard. I mean, like, that's where, that's where, like that's where the church was, the Catholic Church, at least before Martin Luther's thesis. Thesis, yeah. You know, like again, you're, you're. That's where, you know, if you're not tithing, you're, you know, you're going to go to perdition and. Or what is it not producing purgatory? And so, you know, that's, that's. Yeah, that's very difficult, you know. And then even in today's times when we have the word, we still believe some of these false pastors, you know. Did you know Creflo Dollar came out and repented and was like, hey, look, like I should, I should have not preached on tithing as much as I did. And if you read any of my books regarding tithing, I want to apologize and I want to say, please throw them away. I'm not printing them and I'm not continuing to print them. He goes, I was wrong in my teaching. [01:24:28] Speaker B: I didn't know that. [01:24:30] Speaker C: Yeah, it's like within the last month. I thought that was crazy because it's Creflo$. Like changed his name. Pretty sure. Pretty sure his last name wasn't really Dollar. Come on, dude. Dollar. [01:24:43] Speaker B: I never once questioned that B had a really good story about him. Who does B? He, he was at a conference with Creflo Dollar and they ran into each other at a coffee shop like down the street from the conference. And he was like asking him a bunch of questions and like, you know, Creflo was like talking about himself and about everything that he's accomplished and all this stuff. And after like 15 minutes, he just stops and he, and he looks at B and he goes, man, you really love Jesus. And then the conversation just switched to the Bible and Jesus and gospel and everything good. And he said, I didn't disagree with anything he said for the rest of the conversation, but it took 15 minutes to get him out of this, like, selfish, self centered, like, mindset. So it's like, it Almost doesn't surprise me because it's almost like that was in there and he could access that. [01:25:43] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:25:43] Speaker B: Just couldn't, you know, Man. [01:25:47] Speaker C: Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. [01:25:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:25:50] Speaker C: Wow. [01:25:50] Speaker B: I'm probably not remembering the specifics of, like, the conference and everything, but that's essentially the story he told me. But that's crazy. [01:26:02] Speaker C: Yeah. Creflo. That whole movement is crazy. That name it, claim it. Prosperity Gospel. [01:26:10] Speaker B: Yeah, a lot of them, dude. I mean, I heard something about Benny Hinn indicating that he had kind of been leading people astray and he was kind of repenting. Todd White. I. I think he went on to say some crazier stuff, but one. There was this one video that was going viral of Todd White saying, like, I read this quote by this guy named Spurgeon. Have you guys ever heard of this guy named Spurgeon? And he reads this amazing quote, and he's just, like, blown away by it. Like, he'd never heard theology like that. I don't think that went on to bear much fruit after that week, but it seemed like a lot of. Like, a lot of those guys started to wake up to some stuff and. Yeah. I wonder if I don't know his. [01:26:59] Speaker C: His name. It's. I want to say it's. It's either his nephew or his son. Benny Hinn's nephew. Or Costi. [01:27:06] Speaker B: Yeah, Costi. [01:27:07] Speaker C: Costi, yeah. Yes. He came to our men's group and taught on Saturday. He has a church out here. [01:27:13] Speaker B: Oh, nice. [01:27:14] Speaker C: Locally. And he used to have a church in Tus. Oh, really? [01:27:20] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, we've got. I had a friend who used to go to it. He said it's the coolest guy ever. [01:27:27] Speaker C: Yeah. You think he would. He would. I don't know, maybe not throw the hint out there. You know what I mean? [01:27:33] Speaker B: Yeah. I think he likes the testimony of that. I don't know if you've heard him, like, tell some of the stories. [01:27:43] Speaker C: Yeah, no, I refuse, bro. I refuse. Like, that's. That Saturday. I missed it intentionally. [01:27:49] Speaker B: Oh, man. I think you missed out. I think you missed out. There was this. [01:27:53] Speaker C: No, I'm not really big on listening to women or Indians. [01:27:56] Speaker B: I don't even know that dude presents very white. I don't even know if he's Indian. [01:28:04] Speaker C: I meant Benny Hinn. Okay. Dude's Indian. [01:28:06] Speaker A: Sure. [01:28:06] Speaker B: Yeah, sure. There was this really good documentary called American Gospel that really just went through all the prosperity stuff and exposed a lot of that, and Costi was interviewed in it, and he. He told some pretty crazy stories. About just like the decadence. And like when he kind of started waking up to better theology, the family basically shunned him. And the story he told was his baseball coach started, he said the word sovereignty and Costi didn't know what that word meant. And so he started like asking these questions about sovereignty. And it was just not part of what. It reminds me a lot of the righteous gemstones, where it's like, it just wasn't part of the equation. Dude, they just never. By the way, I watched the series finale. Pretty good ending for what that show was. Just throwing that out there. Maybe a little bit of. A little bit of redemption for those characters. Maybe at the end I'm seeing like. [01:29:12] Speaker C: I saw a tick tock of somebody creating righteous gemstone Barbies and Ken dolls. [01:29:19] Speaker B: Okay. [01:29:19] Speaker C: And they were printing little 100 bills, making stacks, and then taking like flour, putting little itty bitty baggies for this Barbie doll. And I was like, oh, these people must be coke dealers. Users. [01:29:38] Speaker B: No, I think they. I think, I think. And it's been years since I've seen the first season, so I don't fully remember. I think the first season was someone gets a video of. What's that guy's name? The. The main guy? [01:29:56] Speaker C: Danny McBride. McBride, John Goodman. [01:29:58] Speaker B: Someone. Someone gets a video of Danny McBride doing coke and they blackmail him. And that's like the plot of the first season. And. And I don't think drugs really come into the equation for the rest of the show after that. I think it was kind of a one off night. But. [01:30:16] Speaker C: I'm gonna argue against that based on this whole doll, because it was a female, a blonde female doll that had a briefcase full of hundreds and a little bag. It was a big baggie of coke according to her size. Yeah. [01:30:29] Speaker B: Proportionately. [01:30:33] Speaker C: Yeah. So I. What. What do you think, Looking kind of recapping tonight, what do you think the. What do you think the biggest gain is from spiritual disciplines? I think discipline in general is important in someone's life. [01:30:50] Speaker B: Yes. So I would, I would say in general it's that. It's that concept of like small habits turning into larger. Like you were talking about atomic habits, which I haven't read, but I've kind of heard summaries of it. I think it's very helpful for your spiritual life if you just start praying five minutes a day. Just get into the word a little bit. Those small habits really build up and like really bear a lot of fruit. So I'd kind of take like the general aspect of discipline and say when we Put that into our spiritual lives. I mean, sky's the limit, dude. I mean, Spurgeon. Spurgeon came. [01:31:33] Speaker C: Sky's the limit. But there's a caution that comes with this. [01:31:35] Speaker B: Okay, go ahead. [01:31:36] Speaker C: First, Spurgeon came. What? [01:31:38] Speaker B: Spurgeon came from somewhere is what I'm saying. Like, you don't become Spurgeon by just kind of having a light relationship with your Bible and not really taking it seriously. I mean, that. That dude was, in the words 16 hours a day sometimes, you know? Not that we should, like, idolize good men, but. [01:31:56] Speaker C: Must be good not to have a job. [01:31:59] Speaker B: Rich, right? Yeah, I think he. I think he came from money. Yeah. [01:32:04] Speaker C: No kids, no wife. [01:32:05] Speaker B: He had a wife. Couldn't have a wife. [01:32:08] Speaker A: Couldn't have had a wife. [01:32:08] Speaker B: Did he. Definitely did. He left a widow behind. I don't think he had kids. [01:32:15] Speaker C: It was a suicide. So there is a caution, though, that comes with spiritual disciplines, and that is making sure you don't get into legalism. [01:32:32] Speaker B: Yeah. Don't make an idol out of it. Like, don't do. And, like, how do. Okay, so that's a question for you. How do we do that? How do we not. How do we not make it? Where? [01:32:43] Speaker C: Like. [01:32:43] Speaker B: Well, I'm reading my Bible because that's what I do every morning before I go to work, because it's immediate that that starts to happen. For me, at least. [01:32:53] Speaker C: I can see that. [01:32:56] Speaker B: I don't know if I like that. [01:32:57] Speaker C: If I like that, I can just see you. Like, I can just see you. Like, I feel like that sometimes when people are like, hey, can you hang out tonight? And I'm like, it's Wednesday now. I got my podcast. And it's like, yeah, we know. We get it. You got a podcast. You say it every Wednesday. Well, quit asking me Wednesday nights to hang out. You know what I mean? Like, But I feel like they look at me like, we get it, bro. You read the Bible. I think it. I. I think a good way to. To look at that or to combat legalism and stay on the humility or humble side of things is prayer. I think is. Is. Is going to be the biggest key to it, because prayer is humbling in itself. When you realize you're praying before a God who's perfect, righteous, holy, and he's allowing you to boldly come before his presence. You, who do these things, you know, and Romans 1, 2, 3, kind of point those things out to you, you know, he's talking about hypocrisy in the church, and he's talking about Judging people when we do them ourselves. But I think also looking at people in the right view of, I'm no better. Like, I'm not no better than that person over there. And it's. It's somewhat easy when you look at people struggling with drugs. Not so easy when you look at people struggling with other things. What are some of those other things that. We just had this conversation the other day with someone and they were like, oh, but it'd be different if they were. Oh, people. Like homosexuals. You look at homosexuals, and it's so quick as some Christian groups are so quick to be like, oh, yeah, they're going to hell. Like, they can't, you know, if they go to church, I'm gonna let them know that, you know, being gay is not biblical and they're going to hell. Yet when the struggling meth addict shows up, they show them so much grace. [01:34:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:34:58] Speaker C: You know, or the struggling alcoholic, you know, and so just to kind of realize that my sin is no greater or worse than yours. Laws, bro. One law was broken. All laws are broken. You're guilty. You know, and so kind of having that mind frame of, like, I. There's. That. There's. We put on our pants one leg at a time. Same, you know, you and me, everybody, you know, like, sure, there's some people jumping both legs first, but they're crazies. But at the same time, there's. It's only God's grace that, that. That I'm at where I'm at and you're at where you're at. I can definitely be where you're at without God's grace. I can definitely be homeless. I could definitely be a meth addict. I can definitely be homosexual. I mean, like, it's God's grace that I'm. I'm here based on his character. And so a lot of times when I start our prayer, I thank God for his character, because if it wasn't for his character, I wouldn't be in the position I'm at right now. Whether it's career wise, as a father, as a son, as a person, as an individual, like, you're the one transforming me. It's your character that's making me the better person. And so I think really kind of keeping that viewpoint of. But then again, it's. It's. It's easy to be legalistic when you're going to church and you're amongst fellow believers who are, you know, you know, dropping, you know, dropping credentials. Oh, yeah, I did this. Oh, yeah, you did that. Yeah, I had. I had missionaries come over last night for about two hours. [01:36:31] Speaker B: Yeah, it's no big deal. [01:36:33] Speaker C: It's kind of crazy, but it was cool. Yeah, no big deal. But it's kind of cool because they came on the tail end of my 17 day fast. And so, you know, it was. Man, but. [01:36:44] Speaker A: And then you just redirected. [01:36:45] Speaker C: But, man, the Lord was moving, you know, like, he was showing me things in the scripture, you know, again, you know, I've been reading Hebrews for the last 12 months, you know, just over and over, just pulling out each gem, looking at every word and pulling out as many things as I could pull out and every word and then every sentence and then every thought. And so, yeah, you know, when that happens, you know, I hate myself and. [01:37:11] Speaker B: I hate you. [01:37:18] Speaker C: But we can so easily try and credit those things to. We can pull out those things and slightly passively be like, bless God, though. Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, God's doing it, but I still have to let you know what did it. You know what I mean? Like, I still have. That was one thing. Like, my last fast, I didn't want anybody. I told my daughter, just because, you know, that ate so much in front of me during my fast. [01:37:44] Speaker B: I remember you telling me, like, yeah. [01:37:47] Speaker C: Dude, I'm sitting there, I'm just like, my stomach just. Oh, it's. It's beating me up. And she's coming in with Portillo's like, you still fasting? Yeah, I'm still fasting. Like, appreciate you sitting. And it's not like she's like, I'll go in the room. Then that's when I was like, clearly you've never fasted. Fucking rookie. You know what I mean? Or else you would have. You would have got up and went to another room. Not subjecting me to this. Yeah, to this, you know, but at the same time, I don't want nobody to touch. Accommodate me. I want to pray through that. But again, I only told her in the sense of like, hey, don't buy me anything when you, you know, after you're on your way home or whatever, don't make dinner for me, because I'm. I'm just trying to press into the Lord, and as a father to a daughter or father to a child, I think that's necessary to kind of share these things with them. So they do see these things, you know, and they don't always see your failures or your human physical successes, whether, you know, something you accomplish. Like, there are moments when, God, when something good happens in my Life that I can definitely credit to my work habits, my work ethic. But in front of my kids, I want to make sure they hear me say, thank you, Jesus, for this. Like, thank you. Like, I recognize that you. You. You've opened this door. You done this. You know, you've given me the work ethic. I have. You've created me in this. In this fashion. So thank you for what you've done. And I try and make that a habit for them to see it so that it's not foreign to them when they get older, you know? Like, I never saw my parents pray. I never heard my dad say thank. Thank you, Jesus. You know, I don't want it to be a secret to them. I just want it to be a secret to my co workers, companions, you know, fellow believers. Like, it's not meant for them. [01:39:25] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:39:27] Speaker C: Unless they're asking on a podcast that's broadcast worldwide. And then, you know, let me take center stage. [01:39:34] Speaker B: Tens of listeners. [01:39:37] Speaker C: Tens of tens. You know, real quick. Can you check that and see how. [01:39:45] Speaker B: Yeah, let's pull it up. Let's see what we can. [01:39:48] Speaker C: After that. I figured we call it a. Yeah. Call it an evening. I do have a group of kids waiting for me in the living room. [01:39:54] Speaker B: You gotta get back to Mario Party. Okay, analytics, we've got a. Ooh, dang around. April 12th, we've got a spike of 30. 30 streams. [01:40:21] Speaker C: Get out of here. [01:40:25] Speaker B: Wish I could get more info on that. There's got to be a way to get more. Okay, I can go by episodes. [01:40:38] Speaker C: You always play the way I play. If they don't give it to you, you just take it. Yeah, I'm talking about websites. [01:40:49] Speaker B: Let's see. Yeah. Looks like we're averaging like two or three. And throughout March and April. April 28th. Let's pull that guy up. Episode 13. I feel less sinful when I jerk off to those. We got. We got one listen on that guy. [01:41:20] Speaker C: That's weird, because two people have asked me when 14 is coming out. [01:41:24] Speaker B: Yeah. Huh. [01:41:29] Speaker C: All right, man. Well, we'll keep. We'll keep. We'll keep tugging on it. [01:41:35] Speaker B: Yep. We'll jerk this limp podcast until it gets hard. [01:41:44] Speaker C: All right, this sounds about my life right now. [01:41:46] Speaker B: This was. This was a great podcast tonight. [01:41:50] Speaker C: Yeah. Stitch, I appreciate you, man. I love you. [01:41:52] Speaker B: Love you, man. [01:41:55] Speaker C: All right, I'll reach out to you tomorrow, see what we want to talk about next week. [01:41:59] Speaker B: All right, sounds good. This has been pseudonyms, everybody. All right, good night. [01:42:03] Speaker C: Thanks for listening.