017: You Are Kenny Powers

[00:00:00] Speaker A: I love the fact that you got a, like, snap argument into one of them. [00:00:04] Speaker B: I thought that was pretty funny. It's how the Internet works. [00:00:10] Speaker A: I am a little disappointed in the fact that I didn't get. What was it? April 9th recorded. [00:00:19] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm just concerned because I doubt you did anything differently or you did anything wrong. We just sort of lost it. [00:00:28] Speaker A: So maybe that's how dad got to me, dude. Like, maybe. [00:00:32] Speaker B: Maybe, like, you know, he ultimately would. [00:00:37] Speaker A: But I thought I sent everything, dude, like, week, like, every other week or so. I don't know, man. I don't know. [00:00:43] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, you sent me an episode 14, but it was. It was definitely 15. [00:00:48] Speaker A: Well, I finally fixed the date on my recorder, so it's showing me, like, what date it was that I missed. So it goes from, like, the second, then it's the 16th, and I'm like, nah, that's. That's wrong. So that's. Yeah. And then I even. Because these rode mics, they. They record also and they store also on their. On their device, but because I never updated it, Like, I never plugged it into a computer and updated it, it didn't start either. So, yeah, I was a little disappointed. [00:01:19] Speaker B: That sucks. You know what? You always joke that, like, you don't want to talk to me when we're not doing the podcast because it'll, like, waste the podcast. And then, like, you look at that situation and it's like, okay, well, it was a couple episodes ago. Like, we still had a good conversation, even though it's, like, it still feels like we wasted something, but in reality, like, we still. We still had a good time together and, like, aired out some issues and, like, okay, so the 10 people who listened to us didn't hear that episode. Like, that's fine, you know, but it still feels, like, bad. [00:01:53] Speaker A: Yeah, it was like, that's wasted content. [00:01:56] Speaker B: Yeah. But we could just be friends sometimes. [00:02:02] Speaker A: This is strictly, strictly business, buddy. [00:02:04] Speaker B: Okay. All right. The magic's over. [00:02:09] Speaker A: Magic was never there, dude. [00:02:11] Speaker B: Oh, shit. It's worse than I thought. She never loved me. [00:02:21] Speaker A: I like my marriage. This is my marriage all over again. Many for the children. Yeah, man. I'm drinking a beer that was given to me by my co worker that we've nicknamed Stretch Marks. [00:02:39] Speaker B: I will say Stretch Marks is a pretty good name for a beer. But you named your co worker that? [00:02:44] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I named my co worker that. [00:02:47] Speaker B: That's brutal, dude. [00:02:50] Speaker A: So. So a friend of mine, we were looking for somebody to kind of escort at our company just. Just because Our client is, you know, real secure, different kind of escort. Our company, our client is like, you know, real top secret. So, like, you have to be a US Citizen to work on their premise. And then if you don't go through the full background check, but you go through a partial, you couldn't work there. But somebody that's gone through a full background check has to be able to, like, sit in the room and watch you. And so we hired this guy for that, and he came recommended from a friend, from. Of a friend. And I was like, okay, cool. You know, didn't think much of it, but the dude followed through. And I was like, you know what, dude? I actually like the fact that you called me back because I was gonna ever call you again, but you called me back. So let's give it a shot. So I refer him to the owner of our company, of my company. And guy was like, yeah, so I don't meet this dude. I've only talked to him, sounded normal. I get a picture because again, we do the background check, get a picture of his license and his passport, and I'm like, oh, this is a homosexual. Like, oh, no, this dude's. This dude's a gay. You know, like, great. Yeah. You know, I'm like, this is gonna. This is great. And I mean that sarcastically, guys. I'm not saying, like, this is great. Like, I think I'm gonna get some. Some off his head or anything like that. [00:04:17] Speaker B: I'm thinking like, I didn't take it that way at all. I didn't know you were being sarcastic at first. I will be honest with you, but I didn't think you. You were saying you were gonna get a blowy. After I said it. All I thought was. Was you. You were like, oh, great, a witnessing opportunity. Like, I'm gonna get to. [00:04:39] Speaker A: Oh, no. So I'm thinking like, oh, great. Like a sensitive guy is going to be in the trailer kind of like marking everything that, gosh, us real men are talking about, you know, and so, and so that. [00:04:54] Speaker B: That just shows, like, how much more secure you are as a man. Because my immediate thought was like, okay, finally. So now I'm not the. The weakest, most flamboyant guy on the staff. [00:05:09] Speaker A: Oh, I think we're going to have to walk on eggshells around this guy. So. [00:05:13] Speaker B: Yeah, that's. But that's. That wouldn't be my first thought at all. My first thought would be like, oh, I'm going to look great next to this guy. Perfect. [00:05:21] Speaker A: Yeah. I'm thinking we're Going to get, like, this. This total chick that's just, you know, like, almost like a little miniature Karen. [00:05:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:31] Speaker A: Is that your calling. [00:05:34] Speaker B: Black baby? [00:05:36] Speaker A: Oh, that's the best kind until it takes your wallet. And then so she. She. He starts working for us. And. And I said, again, I see his picture, and the reason he looks gay is because he has such thick, like, eyelashes that it looks like he's either wearing eyeliner or mascara. You know what I mean? [00:06:02] Speaker B: Are they false lashes? [00:06:04] Speaker A: They're. They're not. They're real. But he says he gets that all the time. And I'm like, okay. That's why I thought, you know, so this is coming out, like, at a company meeting. I'm like, hey, like, I thought. I'm not gonna lie from your id. I thought you were gay. And he's like, why? And I'm like, because your eyelashes, like, they just. I thought they were like. I thought you put eyeliner on. I'm like, great. Like, not only is this dude gay, like, he's masquerading that he's gay, you know, I mean, like, he's like. He's putting on makeup before. Before work. You know what I mean? Like, I'm so. I mean enough to put it on during his driver's license. So he has a goatee. And so I was like, you know, I. I figured maybe you grew the goatee out to hide your stretch marks, you know, like, you didn't want anybody seeing your stretch marks. [00:06:50] Speaker B: It's. It's. It's so much worse than I thought I thought. I thought. I thought. I thought this guy was a heavy gentleman, and you were calling him stretch marks, but you're calling him a fag every time you call him stretch marks. [00:07:12] Speaker A: So we have a good laugh. And honestly, we have a good laugh because he's a believer. That comes to my Tuesday Bible studies now. And so it's really cool to be working with a believer as well. Like, we'll, you know. [00:07:24] Speaker B: So it totally worked out. This guy's. Yeah, he's a believer. Yeah, he's got a sick set of lashes. [00:07:31] Speaker A: Exactly. Exactly. Davis. He's got a six set of lashes. [00:07:36] Speaker B: Davis. Yeah, I guess you're Lucas O. I know. [00:07:43] Speaker A: Good. Davis's. I know some pretty gay Lucases. Pretty sure you do, too. Yeah. Jokes on me tonight, I guess. [00:07:53] Speaker B: Hey, I'm not making any kind of comparison. I would never do that. Nobody. And I mean nobody. And I'll have to cut this out because now we're revealing that we know someone with this name. But nobody has been a. A harsher critic of Lucas than me, so I'm not making any kind of comparison. That was a word association only. [00:08:17] Speaker A: You're. You're a harsh critic. [00:08:20] Speaker B: Oh, gosh, dude. I just. There. I wouldn't say I hate the guy. It's not that serious. But there are just some people who I so don't gel with that. I can't have small talk with them. Like, forget getting into, like, big stuff. I don't. I couldn't stand to talk about the weather with that guy. It's just. I don't know what it is. Everyone loves him. I mean, mostly, but, like, I just never got it. I mean, for. I. I've known him since I was 14, probably, and. Yeah, just never. I was the one who got him going to tmp. I was the one who. I saw him at Martina's wedding, and I was like, oh, dude, you got to come to master's plan. And he's like, oh, we're in between churches. That's perfect. And then he showed up next week, and he just started going from there. And immediately I was like, why did I do that, dude? Like, now there's just this guy who's complaining that I don't invite him to stuff. That's crazy. Like, what did I do to myself? [00:09:28] Speaker A: You wanted to be that guy that was, like, all cool and, like, hey, look at my new toy. And then he's like, oh, cool. I want to play with that too. [00:09:36] Speaker B: You're like, now. Now we're alternating. Is. It's three days at my house. Three days at your house. No, I was. I was recruiter. I. I got people to go to that church. I poached them. [00:09:53] Speaker A: No, you're. You're. You're a genuinely good dude, and you know a lot of people. You know, I. I'd make you head recruiter. [00:10:00] Speaker B: Thank you. I might. I might. Check this out, man. If you ever plant a church. [00:10:07] Speaker A: I don't know if I will, man. I like. I like them real small. Like, my. My men's Bible study that I started on Tuesdays. There's only seven. Seven of us. But, you know, I'm. I'm not strict, but I am. Like, I'm like, hey, like, we're here to, like, do stuff. Like, we're here to, like, move mountains. We're not here to feel good. We're not here to, you know, we're here to, like, encourage one another, push one another, teach one another, like, rebuke when we're wrong. Correct. Like, I want to do life, dude. Like, I want to be better men. I don't want to just come here because it's like, oh, I'm. I go to Bible study on Tuesday. You know, like, nah, forget that. We're here to, like, press each other to be better men. And it's pretty cool. There's. There's a couple older guys, most mostly young guys from probably say, like, 19 to 25. [00:11:01] Speaker B: Nice. [00:11:04] Speaker A: So we're at this company event that I had mentioned talking about stretch marks at. And while we're there, we're racing. We're racing cars. It's octane. It's like little go kart racing, but, like, they go, like, 45 miles an hour, you know, so we're, like, blazing through this. You know, it was me, Sloan Kettery, and Johnny Hopkins, and we were blazing that. And so we're. We're racing. And so the first race, I get second only to my own, the owner of my company. In our. In our. In our. [00:11:36] Speaker B: Now, my power law number one, don't outshine your master. [00:11:41] Speaker A: Mm. Which I told people, however, I got a better average. A better average lap than he does. But he had a lap where, like, he wrecked out, and no one was in front of him, which allows you to get a better lap because you're not having to fight somebody, you know, like, to get around them. Me, I'm Mario Kart in this bad boy. Like, I want to get up on your ass. I want to try and pass you, like, you know what I mean? Like, I want to be in the crowd racing, you know? So we race it. [00:12:12] Speaker B: I'm like, okay, I'm so serious about. [00:12:17] Speaker A: Yeah, what? [00:12:18] Speaker B: What? [00:12:18] Speaker A: I'm kind of curious on what's funny. [00:12:20] Speaker B: About my seriousness, where you were like, I am not bullshitting right now. This is a real support. This is blood. Blood and soil, baby. This is me. [00:12:32] Speaker A: Yeah. So you'll appreciate what I'm about to say even more. So. All right, so you're going to appreciate this. So we get an opportunity to race a second time, and at this place, it sells beer. And it's like, hey, if you're. If you have more than two beers, you can't race. You. You can't race cars. But you could throw axes up into three beers. So we're throwing axes at this time. We didn't think we had an opportunity to do a second race. And so they come in, they're like, hey, we're short on racers. Does anybody want to race? And so I'm like, hey, you want to do it again. He's like, yeah. So I'm like, hey, here we go. So we check in, you know, we give our names. They like, go to that car. Go to that car. Go to that car. I'm like, cool, sweet. So we get in the cars, and I'm walking up to my car, and he goes, hey, trust me, dude. That car. Take that car. [00:13:25] Speaker B: That person, the guy who works there. [00:13:26] Speaker A: I'm like, no, my. My. The owner of my company, he's like, take, take. Take my car, bro. Let's switch cars. He's like, that one's fast. I'm thinking, like, okay, all right. You've been here, cuz. He's talked about being there with his family. Like, he's gone there quite a bit with his family. So I'm thinking, like, okay, this dude knows, like, knows the fast car. It's like, okay, that's why you won earlier. So I'm thinking, okay, all right, let's do this. So I get in the car, it starts, we take off. I'm blowing and going, dude, I'm blowing and going again. The first race, I started in second or in seventh, I pull in the first stall, you know? I mean, like, I'm pulling in spot one. Everybody's like, oh, damn. I'm like, yeah, that's what I told you guys. Like, this is what happens when you mess with Mario Kart, you know? I mean, like, King Donkey Kong ain't got on me. You know what I mean? So this race, man, we're racing now, we pull in the averages. The. The best laps come up. Boom. Big 29 seconds. Beats everybody. It's like the best for the day in the place. And I'm like, oh. So I go back to the table. Like our whole companies there. I go back to the table. They're like, you won. I'm like, yeah, well, you know, I'm coming in sweet, bro. Like, I got the meat out. You know what I mean? Like, I'm just walking in, like, yeah, you know what I mean? Like a black dude in sweatpants. Like, I'm just walking in, like, letting it just, you know, swing around. Like, everybody sees it. I'm just like, yeah, you know, like, New Boston town. New Boston town, you know? So, like, about 10 minutes goes by after I'm done talking. Everybody like, recognize, recognize. [00:15:08] Speaker B: You're in the. [00:15:08] Speaker A: You're in the midst of greatness. You know what I mean? Maybe take them, take a moment, and just kind of mentally record. [00:15:16] Speaker B: It's nuts. [00:15:21] Speaker A: I got a story on that real quick. So I'M on. I'm on tick tock. And this dude, like, draws pictures of baseball players, and he's going through like, oh, I got this guy. And I got, you know, so sud. I got this guy, and I was like. And so I'm just, you know, hey, you got any Kenny Powers? And he's like, kenny Powers? So he's like, kenny Powers. What is my name? Lucas? You're out. And I'm like, all right, whatever. So. So I come in again. I'm swinging it, you know, I'm just. I'm just like, yeah, you know, I'm kind of standing. I'm standing taller. The spank shirts holding in a little bit more, you know, I mean, so I look a little. Little more fit. You know, I'm standing there. And then the. The. My owner. The owner of my company, I do call him Jesus because he looks like Jesus. Like, your stereotypical Jesus, you know, like, long, long beard, long, long hair, looks Middle Eastern. However, he's from, like, North Carolina. And I look at him and I'm like. He goes. He goes, hey, man. He goes, you know, we switched cars. And I'm like, I know, dude. Thanks. I get it, man. Like, he. He goes, I went up. I gave him my name, and we switched cars. And I was like, yeah, I get it, dude. Like, you greased. You greased their pockets. You get the faster. [00:16:41] Speaker B: No, I get what he's saying. [00:16:42] Speaker A: Don't you owe me? [00:16:44] Speaker B: I get what he's saying, though. [00:16:45] Speaker A: No, because I lived about five minutes on this cloud, too, and I'm like, dude, thank you so much for giving me the faster car. Like, you're awesome. You must really think that I'm special to give me the faster car. [00:17:00] Speaker B: And you really see, like, opportunity with me in the future of this company at, like, yes, I'll take your job. Like, I will take your job. Yeah. [00:17:11] Speaker A: A number. You want me to be number two? I get it, man. Like, maybe you want to retire. You're passing the throne to me. I get it. Like, you're. You're handing the baton down. Yeah. No, no, no, you're right, dude. We gave our names. Switch cars after we give our names. So Big is him. I'm Big. Big Lucas is him. And I'm. I'm Jesus. [00:17:43] Speaker B: Oh. [00:17:44] Speaker A: And Jesus finished fourth. [00:17:48] Speaker B: That's even worse than I thought. So you actually went two. Two spots down from the first race? Yeah. Oh, dude. [00:18:03] Speaker A: And it bothered me. It By. It didn't bother me, like, in a negative way. It was such a good got. Yeah, it. It like, honestly, like, I'd gone out and talked so much that it was. It, like, it, it was. It stuck with me, dude. Like, as you can tell, it clearly stuck with me till this day. It's only been, you know, six days. [00:18:26] Speaker B: Oh, man. That is the kind of thing I would have about 30, 30 seconds of, like, debilitating embarrassment and then I would just laugh for the rest of the night. I would just tell everyone I was just, guys, guess what? It was actually him. You remember when I slammed my dick down on the table? It was actually this guy. [00:18:51] Speaker A: Basically. Dude, that happened all night, like, for the rest of the night. Like, in fact, it was brought up again today at lunch. My stretch marks was like, on the way home from that night, he was still talking about it, and I was like, yeah, it was that good. Like, it was genuinely that good. He goes, yeah, I knew I would get you. [00:19:10] Speaker B: Oh, man. [00:19:11] Speaker A: I was like, oh, he got me, dude. So he did a good one, dude. [00:19:15] Speaker B: He wasn't just. Yeah, man. [00:19:18] Speaker A: He did a lot. [00:19:21] Speaker B: Saw that you had the best car, and in that. In that moment, he knew, dude, this guy's a psychopath. This guy is a quick thinking psychopath. That's nuts, dude. I'm pretty diabolical. I never would have thought about that. Never would have thought of that. [00:19:39] Speaker A: No, in fact, he, like, planned it. Like, he. He went down the line of cars like, watch this, watch this. And then, like, I get in there and he's like, take my car. And I'm like, no, I'm good. He's like, no, really want a fast car? Take my car. And I'm like, all right, dude. Like, you ain't gotta tell me twice. Thanks. [00:19:57] Speaker B: Thanks, boss. [00:19:59] Speaker A: You know. [00:19:59] Speaker B: Oh, man. [00:20:02] Speaker A: Good though. [00:20:03] Speaker B: The employee ever tells you what car to take. Listen, sometimes they'll hook you up. [00:20:09] Speaker A: Well, they assign the car according to your name because they record your time. [00:20:13] Speaker B: Okay. See, I've only done go karts. [00:20:15] Speaker A: I did receive the email of times. [00:20:17] Speaker B: Today from the co worker. [00:20:19] Speaker A: Stretch marks. [00:20:20] Speaker B: Just rubbing it in. [00:20:21] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. He was like, remember this night? Kind of hard to forget it, buddy. [00:20:25] Speaker B: I tried to take a roofie so I'd forget. [00:20:30] Speaker A: Yeah. I came home, took a handful of shrooms. [00:20:32] Speaker B: Did you really? [00:20:35] Speaker A: I did. [00:20:36] Speaker B: I couldn't tell if you're joking. So. Yeah, no, I've only done it at Boomers, where they're not keeping track of anything. So if. If one of the punk kids at Boomers tells you that's the car, you take that car, you gotta beat everyone. I will say there's A. A good friend of mine. I don't know if you consider him a friend, but we were. We were at a bachelor party at Boomers, which is a pretty embarrassing sentence to say, and you couldn't be any. [00:21:09] Speaker A: More embarrassing than a bachelor party of mojitos. [00:21:12] Speaker B: What is that? [00:21:14] Speaker A: Pretty sure. A friend of ours had a bachelor party at his place, and it was just mixed mojitos, different types of mojitos. [00:21:24] Speaker B: Okay, you're gonna have to tell me who that was later. [00:21:28] Speaker A: I don't know if it was for someone else, but it was held at the dude's house that can no longer walk. [00:21:35] Speaker B: Oh, that sounds like him. Yeah, no, that's. I know he did paintball, I think, for his thing, so. All right, that must have been someone else. [00:21:45] Speaker A: But. [00:21:45] Speaker B: So you were Dave and Busters Boomers with you, and you approached Go Karts with the same ferocity that you were explaining this fiasco. And you were ramming everyone, and it was annoying as. But you rammed into this mutual friend of ours, and he was, like, gripping the steering wheel really tightly, messed up. [00:22:10] Speaker A: His hand, and he. [00:22:11] Speaker B: He messed up his wrist for. And I don't know if I ever told you, it was like, for years. Like, two years later, he still had to wear a brace sometimes because it never fully was right. [00:22:22] Speaker A: Yeah. I'm going to tell you, like dad said, you know, if. If. If you're not going to win it, I'll get the fuck out the way. [00:22:27] Speaker B: You know, if you're not first or last. [00:22:30] Speaker A: Yeah. So hear me out. I did not bump one person on this. This race, Okay? I didn't bump one person. I went around everybody. I drifted a little. I drifted a lot, but three or four people spun out in front of me. And, like, legitimately, dude, I wish it was recorded because I was just like, oh, like, dude, it was just so. [00:22:53] Speaker B: Without hitting anyone. [00:22:54] Speaker A: I didn't hit one person. Like, my. The owner of my company. [00:22:57] Speaker B: So. Great. [00:22:57] Speaker A: Smashed into me several times, but, like, to the point where they had, like, black flag him. Like, hey, dude, like, if you can't slow down and stop bumping people, you gotta get off the track. But, yeah, I race a little differently now, you know? Plus, was that octane? Wasn't that old, Boomers, you know, I. [00:23:17] Speaker B: Mean, we're talking real go karts 45 miles an hour. Sounds nuts. I was nervous to take turns at that speed. [00:23:26] Speaker A: Yeah, that's pretty cool, for sure. [00:23:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:29] Speaker A: I mean, it's no Mario Kart 200cc, but it's pretty close. [00:23:37] Speaker B: Well, you know, the danger of those. Those high speeds is that sometimes you can burn out. Welcome to Pseudonyms, everybody. I'm Davis. That's my co host, Lucas. [00:23:52] Speaker A: That was a great segue, bro. That was a great segue. Damn, dude, that was impressive. [00:24:01] Speaker B: I thought of it the moment you brought up Go Karts. And I was like, I'm gonna work this in somewhere. Let's see where I can get this. [00:24:08] Speaker A: Very nice. [00:24:08] Speaker B: I don't want to mess up the story, though. [00:24:12] Speaker A: Very nice. Oh, real quick. I do have a question. Now we're gonna get back into burnout. But I had a conviction because the shrooms were not. So. I don't. I don't normally do shrooms. They were a gift from my. From the. The owner of my company that night. He was like, hey, check this out. I'll grow these. You want some? I'm like, well, like, do they hit like they're supposed to hate? Oh, yeah, they hit, but they just turn your teeth black for, you know, while you eat them. I'm like, mushrooms for you. And so, you know, I came home. He gave me about. He gave me a lot. There's a big bag. And so I came home, ate about three quarters of the bag, and. [00:24:52] Speaker B: You are so brave. [00:24:54] Speaker A: Oh, dude, that's the only way to do it, man. Why not? [00:24:59] Speaker B: I've never done mushrooms, but if I do, I'm gonna take. I think they call it the dose. I think they call it the paw. That's what I'm gonna take. [00:25:11] Speaker A: Well, so I've done it with, like. I'm gonna just call this guy pj. So I've done it with pj, and it was micro dosing, and it was just kind of like, okay, I don't feel nothing. Like, I just, like. I'm not seeing any vibrant colors now. Mind you, I don't do it to look for vibrant colors. Like now when I do it, it's maybe once a year, and I do big doses, and I turn on some worship music and I lay down. Like, I just. I lay down on my bed in a dark room and just listen to worship music and, like, let the music kind of paint its own pictures in my mind. And then I just go. I just pass out and I have, like, really vivid, crazy dreams, and I wake up and, you know, I. You know, I got. Because they're a great source of fiber. I have, you know, I got the shits and the farts the next day. [00:26:06] Speaker B: Any hangover? [00:26:09] Speaker A: No. A lot of people would say you're a lot sharper the next day. I don't really have hangover. The only thing you really get is like, man, I really gotta take a. Like, I just. But I felt convicted because here I have stretch marks with me, who goes to my study. We're standing in my. The owner of my company's bathroom, and he's like, hey, take these with you. Because his closets connected to his bathroom in his bedroom. And he's like, here, take these with you. You know, he gives me a bunch. And I'm like, damn, dude, you have a whole bunch. And he gives me a bunch. And I'm like, cool. And. And then, like, I. I talked about it today or the other day with my co worker, and he goes, I think you have a stronger. There's a stronger addiction to cigarettes for you. Like, because I'm. I don't. I'm trying not to smoke at all. Like, cigarettes. Not even one a day anymore. And he's like, there's a strong. Seems like they're stronger poll with cigarettes versus, like, you know, where mushrooms. [00:27:05] Speaker B: You. [00:27:05] Speaker A: You don't really do them often. And he's like, so I don't really know. And I'm like, well, I just felt horrible for doing it in front of you. Like, I felt convicted as a believer. Like someone who leads your Tuesday group to be like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna go out and do some mushrooms, you know? Like, I don't know. It just. It just felt convicting to me. But at the same time, like, I know so many Christians, and I think, you know. [00:27:29] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:27:30] Speaker A: I mean, he grows and sells it. [00:27:33] Speaker B: No. Really? [00:27:35] Speaker A: Yeah. To pj. Pretty sure. [00:27:40] Speaker B: Are we talking about the same person? I don't know that they know each other. [00:27:47] Speaker A: Who sells them? Somebody. [00:27:53] Speaker B: Somebody was a cop. This is a retired cop. [00:28:00] Speaker A: Look, the way you talk about cops on the documentaries I watch, I don't think. I don't think it's against cops. You know, just because they're a cop doesn't mean much, bro. Okay, sure. [00:28:17] Speaker B: But this guy was really a cop. Like, this. This guy believed it, you know? [00:28:24] Speaker A: Oh, and they're. They're not on. Okay, okay. On the documentary I watch. I guess they're not. So. Okay. [00:28:35] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm not saying it's out of the realm of possibility. I just didn't even know they knew each other. [00:28:41] Speaker A: Maybe it's not him, but it's definitely a guy that was in our circle at these churches. Definitely a guy from. From rbc. [00:28:51] Speaker B: Okay. [00:28:53] Speaker A: Where he's got, like, a list. Like, he sends you a menu and he's like, yeah, he's like. And he ships them, and he's like, just tell me what you want, not what you want. And. And I'm like, look, dude. But he puts them in capsules. So, like, he grinds them up and puts them into, like, Tylenol capsules. [00:29:13] Speaker B: So can you with any of those? [00:29:16] Speaker A: So I've micro dosed. I just don't feel anything on a micro. [00:29:19] Speaker B: But with the capsule, like, you can't control how much you take with the capsule. [00:29:23] Speaker A: I guess there's a certain amount in each capsule, whether it's a kappa stem. For me, like, how many capsules is two handfuls, you know what I mean? Like, that's. That's the math I got to do. You know what I mean? [00:29:40] Speaker B: You're not. [00:29:41] Speaker A: So. [00:29:41] Speaker B: I don't know. Hey, since. Since it's come to light that your. Your daughter listens to the podcast now, would you like me to cut maybe three minutes out of your six minute description of your dick or the black comment? No, no, no, no, no, no. I knew you wouldn't. [00:30:08] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm a pretty. [00:30:11] Speaker B: I was just being funny, but it does, it does. I think about it now, like, every time we talk about anything. Thinking about your daughter? [00:30:19] Speaker A: No, she's. I'm pretty sure she's seen me date black chicks. [00:30:23] Speaker B: For sure. Okay. [00:30:24] Speaker A: Now, and if. Pretty sure, it's pretty commonly known that if you're dating black chicks, you're swinging pretty thick, you know what I'm saying? [00:30:34] Speaker B: All right, keep on going. [00:30:38] Speaker A: It's not my left knee or my right knee, bud. That's my weenie. [00:30:42] Speaker B: So. All right. Okay. [00:30:52] Speaker A: So back to the burnout, though, man. This is what we're talking about tonight, Davis. We're talking about Burnout. [00:30:59] Speaker B: Okay. Hey, did you choose that name for any particular reason? [00:31:05] Speaker A: No, actually, I didn't, man. I kind of just looked and I was like, why? Why'd you ask that? [00:31:10] Speaker B: I was just wondering if it was like, Miles Davis or. [00:31:14] Speaker A: No, I just know. I don't. I know a lot of cool Davis's. [00:31:17] Speaker B: All right, cool. [00:31:18] Speaker A: And, you know, I was like, this guy seems like, like, he's. You know, I cherish who we. I know it's only business, but I'm like, I cherish our business relationship. Like, this dude's a cool cat. And then, you know, you came back with the. The firing insult of Lucas, and I was like, whoa. Did you pick for any special reason? [00:31:40] Speaker B: No, it was word association only. I hadn't thought of a name. And you said davis. That's all I got, dude. [00:31:47] Speaker A: I was thinking is not us, but. Yeah, I get it. I get it. Lucas Davis. I get it. Sounds very similar. I could have been Mavis, you know, but that's cool. [00:31:58] Speaker B: Do you want to be Mavis? You could be Mavis. [00:31:59] Speaker A: No, no, no. I like. I like Lucas. You know, It's. It's. I feel thinner. I feel cooler. I feel like I got sleeves, you know, So. I got sleeves. I feel thinner. I feel like a prick when I talk to you about life and business, you know, I do. [00:32:14] Speaker B: I do have. I have a hard copy, like, a printed out photo of him leaning over the table at that wedding, and you just, like, standing right behind him without him knowing. And I snapped a photo of it. [00:32:33] Speaker A: Yeah. I've always been in a little closet. [00:32:36] Speaker B: Yeah. That's in my house somewhere. [00:32:39] Speaker A: In fact, I'm in the closet right now because recording sucked out in my studio. You know, once the neighbor leaves, she takes her Internet and. Yeah. So burnout, man. Why'd you choose burnout? I'm curious. [00:32:57] Speaker B: Because that is something I've dealt with. You know what I realized when I started thinking about it? I'm not sure I've got a solid definition for it, because when I was looking into. Just encompassed a lot of things that I didn't think of. I only thought of burnout as something you feel for a repetitive activity. I never thought of it as, like a gen. Like a general. Like, I'm burned out on just, like, getting up in the morning, you know? And, like, I'm burned out on everything, you know? I didn't think of it as, like, a holistic burnout. I always thought of it in terms of, like, I, you know, do this one thing once a week, and I'm starting to get burnt out on that and this other thing, and I'm starting to get burnt out on that. So I don't know. How do you see burnout? [00:33:54] Speaker A: I really have to do some, like, breathing exercises before we start, you know, like, maybe remind me next week, like, hey, get all the phlegm you got in that shit out. Take five deep breaths so you don't hear you breathing like Chris Farley over the microphone. I look at burnout honestly, like, no motivation, but you still have a ton of to do, you know? And I think it's so easy. Like, I don't want to get burnt out over, like, currently, right now, I want to at least call my daughters on Sundays. I want to write my pen pal every. At least twice a week. Once a week, minimum. I want to do breakfast with My mom every Saturday morning. And again, like, these things are just like, man, I'm gassy. These things are, are just too. I'm doing what you're seeing me do because I'm trying to put a towel under my ass to muffle the farts so the mic doesn't pick them up. But I'm sitting here just in a funk. And so I'm trying to call my mom once a week or do breakfast with her. I have a Wednesday podcast, a successful Wednesday podcast, by the way. And then our podcast follows that one. And then. [00:35:29] Speaker B: Sometimes I have literally thought I was like, he's just reframing this as like, hey, success is relative. We got 10 listeners. That's very successful for a small podcast, you know, like, nope, nope, it's an insult. [00:35:48] Speaker A: Sometimes a cigar night on Wednesday and then the Bible study every other Tuesday. And then every other week I have my 8 year old with me who I'm like, hey, I want to do bike rides with. I want to, you know, like, do crafts with. I want to go, you know, I want to engage in her life. And so I do sometimes feel like I just want like a me moment or go do something for me. But this is all for me as well, you know, it's just, I think again, it goes back to like the, the, the parenting that we were talking about to be intentional and to see the bigger picture of what you're doing, you know, like, like, yes, there are times where I feel burnt out, but it's mostly when like my sleep is off, you know, I'm gonna start going to the gym next week. So like now I'm incorporating the gym into my. And Stretch Marks wants to take me, so I think he just wants to watch me work out. So I'm, I'm doing that stuff. But I think it, it honestly is how you look at things and you know, the long term goal because, yeah, it's easy to feel burnt out. Like, to just say like, damn, like, I'm doing everything for everyone else. And sometimes it feels like that, like I'm doing this for my kids, my wife, my. Like, there is no me. Like, everything I do to work, everything from work to my free time is built around somebody else. So I think it's easy to get burnt out. [00:37:24] Speaker B: Can we go down a quick side trail that's similar, like, kind of related. Are you doing the gym next week because you're going with your friend? [00:37:33] Speaker A: No, I. Okay. Other than a world of vanity. So, you know, when I forget who I was talking, I was talking to, oh, the owner of my company was like, I smoked a cigarette one day and he goes, man, you smell like cigarettes. I said, really? I just had one. He goes, yeah, you smell. You smell like cigarettes. I said, I'm done. He goes, yeah, right. I said, no, no, no, no. That's how vain I am. I buy a lot of cologne. So the fact that you smell a cigarette over the cologne I just put on this morning, I'm done smoking cigarettes. And so, like, I've seen him a couple times since, and he's like, did you smoke today? I'm like, no, you don't understand how vain I am. Like, I want people to be in my presence and be like, damn, what is this dude wearing? Not like, oh, Grandpa's here. You know, like, you remember when grandpa walked up, he smelled like cigarettes. You're like, ugh, Grandpa, you smell gross. [00:38:26] Speaker B: They both died before I was born, but it must have been nice having grandparents. Cool. [00:38:31] Speaker A: Yeah, it was cool. You know, I really didn't care for him, so. No, I'm kidding. The. The reason for the gym is because my place overlooks the. The community pool. And I want to go down and, you know, I take off my shirt and I'm like, yeah, you're not going down, bro. You know, so I usually go down and read a book with my shirt on. And I'm done. I'm done doing that because summer's coming up, it's going to be about 115 degrees. I'm not going to be out there reading books. You know what I mean? So I'm going to be going out there. [00:39:07] Speaker B: First of all, you look great. Second of all, doesn't matter for dudes. Like, it. It would have to go wildly off the rails for it to matter. [00:39:18] Speaker A: Well, no, because I shoot. I shoot for girls under 30, around the 30 ages that's 15 years younger than me. Like, they're not going to go from a dude that has. It does. [00:39:27] Speaker B: Because with a lot of personality. With your personality, I don't know if physique matters, but when you see the. [00:39:34] Speaker A: Bod first, you don't get to know the personality. [00:39:37] Speaker B: All right, I'll give you that. [00:39:38] Speaker A: You know what I mean? And so, yes, when I'm at work, I got the spank shirt on. It's tucking everything in. I'm looking like, you know, like. Because a lot of people are like, dude, you're in shape. Like, you look like you work out. And I'm like, no, wait till I get home and take this shirt off. You know, like, Then you see that you can't breathe. [00:39:57] Speaker B: You're worried about it. [00:40:00] Speaker A: Yeah, dude, I'm telling you, man. [00:40:01] Speaker B: Okay, okay, okay. So you're motivated? [00:40:04] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm motivated. [00:40:06] Speaker B: So what I want to. I want to pause it to you. And this has changed my life a little bit. Not that much. I'm gonna, I'm gonna. Let me. Let me take that back. This has changed my outlook on a lot of things. [00:40:20] Speaker A: I forgot you could see me right now. [00:40:22] Speaker B: No, not about working out. Just about all sorts of things. Although that a little bit too. It's changed my outlook on a lot of things is we're waiting for Monday, and you can't guarantee how you're going to feel about that on Monday. Like, you might not have the same motivation. So if you've got any motivation to work out tomorrow, do. Sucks that it's Thursday and we like to start things on Mondays. We like to start things on the first of the month, first of the year. Like, that's how we like to do things as people. But you got to follow the passion where it is. So if you have any motivation to get into the gym tomorrow, do it. Because it'll be. It'll be so much easier to do it Monday if you've. If you've already done it two or three days. [00:41:09] Speaker A: I receive that. However, I'm a guy where, like, if you come home and you're like, hey, can you take out the trash? I'm gonna ask you for a couple minutes so I can mentally prepare myself. Then I'm going to interrupt what I had going right now to take out the trash. So it's kind of the same with working out. I don't want to work out. I'm working out because I want to be able to go to the pool and enjoy my day. And there's a lot of hot chicks at the pool and I'm not gonna be that dude thinking, don't get me wrong, there's some in shape dudes at the pool. I'm not gonna be that dude with the whole belly boobs hanging to the side, you know, like, you know, thinking I'm. I'm. I'm something special and hoping somebody wants to talk to me. No, no, no, no. Nobody wants to be seen talking to me to get to know my personality. [00:41:55] Speaker B: Okay. You know, I. I get it. I get it. I'm just saying, like, what if. What if Monday comes and you're not feeling like it? [00:42:04] Speaker A: Then I just wait till the next week and I see the pool and I'm like, I really want to be there. [00:42:08] Speaker B: And you see, you see, now we're in a cycle where, like, you're not going to get around to going to the gym. So if you can go tomorrow, if you can rearrange your schedule for tomorrow, try to do it. That's all I'm saying. [00:42:20] Speaker A: Well, I'm going to start. I received that. And again, that's why I called stretch marks into this. He was like, hey, I'd go to the gym with you. I'm like, let's do it. Like, I need that accountability. But I told him I'm a 45 minute. Like, I'm not going in there for three hours. I'm not that dude. I'm in there to get a. A. I'm in there to buy a product and I want to get out, you know, I'm not in there to shop. I'm in there to get what I need to get and get the fuck out. [00:42:48] Speaker B: That's it. [00:42:49] Speaker A: Let's go do our sets. Let's go home. So, burnouts. Burnouts. Where do you think burnouts in your mind, where do you think? After looking at it, where do you think burnouts come from? [00:43:09] Speaker B: Very interesting. So I. And I think this is part of why I wasn't defining it, why I had such a narrow definition for it, rather is I think that it's rare for me to get burnout on things that I enjoy and things that I think are meaningful. So it's not. I don't get burnt out on work because I don't have a very hard job. I kind of like my job and I need that paycheck. So, like, I. I kind of am mentally able to just do that day in and day out. I enjoy, like, creativity and things. And, like, I take a break from the novel when I'm not feeling it anymore and stuff. Go ahead. [00:44:00] Speaker A: So am I hearing you say you get burnt out on coming home? You're like, I just get burnt out coming home to my family. [00:44:12] Speaker B: Although that would be hilarious. No, no, I. I get burnout on, like, aspects of my routine and I find if it's not something I enjoy and if it's not something that I find, like, super meaningful, then it's easy. It's likely that I'm gonna get burnt out on it. So typically what this looks like is like, I agreed to lead worship for a thing once a week, and then I do it for three months and I'm not feeling it anymore. I'm not enjoying it. I don't like it. And now it's just a thing I gotta do every week that I' invested in. And then, you know, you get four or five of those activities stacked up in a week. And now you're really burned out because each one is stacking onto the other. And then you end up. What I typically do is I just start cutting a bunch of stuff out of my life that I don't want to do anymore, you know, and then I. I feel like time for the, the stuff I want to do. [00:45:12] Speaker A: I feel like when things become chores. [00:45:14] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah. [00:45:16] Speaker A: Things become chores is when I'm disinterested. I'm like, I don't want to do this anymore. [00:45:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:22] Speaker A: Then I have to borderline that myself because, like, writing my daughters sometimes becomes a chore because I make it a chore. I gotta get the paper, I gotta get my lined paper underneath. I gotta get my inks out. I gotta make sure my fountain pens are loaded. I gotta make, you know, I mean, I gotta do so much that it's like, well, just to write the letter is gonna take me a half hour to just, just start it. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not even gonna put her name down. I'm gonna be a half hour invested, you know? [00:45:51] Speaker B: Yeah. And like, on the subject of going to the gym, some, some people have shared with me the life hack of don't promise yourself you're gonna go to the gym. Just promise yourself you're gonna put on the clothes. And then 100% of the time, once you've put on the clothes, it's like, oh, well, I'm going now. Like, I already went through, you know, and then it's just not as difficult to like go the rest of the way with it. But if you think of the whole day is like, I'm gonna go and do my. At this exact time, on this exact day, I'm gonna do my 45 minute thing. Like, it starts to become a lot. If you're not really enjoying it. [00:46:30] Speaker A: Yeah, you gotta think about the drive and all that. See, I like to put on the clothes because they're more comfortable to pass out in on the couch. [00:46:37] Speaker B: Yeah. See, so there's one way of looking forward to it. Yeah. [00:46:41] Speaker A: I'm like, I get them on. I'm like, I sit down and I'm just like, I was telling Stretch Mark when he was over the day, I said, dude, like, I get home and I'm just, I'm beat, bro. Like, I'm beat. Like, I'm just mentally done. But I don't always I can't. I have to stay busy or else like if I sit down on the couch, like today I sit down the couch, I knew I was gonna be out so I was like, hey, set an alarm for 6:30 because I got a thing tonight, you know, like I can't be sleeping until 8 and be late for my date, you know, I mean my booze showing up pretty much at 7:50 and then we're doing our thing so. But I, I looked it up and it says causes of burnout. And it seems like it's mostly work related. It says excessive workload or unrealistic expectations, lack of control or autonomy, poor work life balance. Like work slash life balance, unclear job expectations or constant change, toxic workplace culture or lack of support and then emotional labor or compassion fatigue which is common in caregiving roles. [00:47:53] Speaker B: I would add isolation to that. If you're not sharing in the things you do, it's a little bit harder to work up the energy to do them. [00:48:07] Speaker A: Now let me ask you, do you think this is burnout or do you think this falls under another category? But women who stay home who are stay home moms, and I asked because big country went through this, women who stay at home and are stayed home moms and they don't have like adult interaction. And then like they, they tend to feel, and I don't know if it's like, because they feel like they're purposeless, like they don't see the fact that they're raising a human being that they chose to bring into this world, but they're kind of like I don't have any adult friends or like adult conversation throughout the day. Like it's my fucking fault that you were born a female and now are the stay at home mom. Like and now I'm the little monkey that's got to come home and entertain you and listen to your day when quite frankly your day doesn't really excite me. You stood, you stayed home with a kid all day, bro. Like you want. You know what I mean? Like yeah, I'm, I'm moving the world over here and you're over here just you know, being. But do you think it's burnout for, for mom stay at home moms? And I, I kid when I talk like that about, about them. Although that's how I felt. [00:49:19] Speaker B: I kid cuz I wasn't kidding. Yeah, I mean I, I hear that a lot from moms. I don't think like I can really only talk to my wife and, and our experience, she's pretty uninterested in having friends, so that's not really an issue. I think she's very exhausted, but it's not like she would be less exhausted going to work every day. You know, it's like that's. That's not really specific to the. The thing she's doing. I. I think overall, she. She really likes doing what she does, and she chose it. I mean, she chose not to go back to work, so this is what she wanted. But, yeah, I think. I think the routine is really hard for them because, I mean, there is no variation in their routine whatsoever. Yeah, nap times, lunch times. They go to the park at the same time every day. I mean, like, that is. Her life must be going so much faster than mine, because I purposely do things to slow time down. You know what I mean? Like, I purposely mix up my routine. I try to do something unique every day. I try to, like, take moments throughout the day, like, on my walks at work, to, like, reset, focus, think about things, not look at my phone, you know? Like, I purposely try to do things that, like, relatively slow down your perception of time passing, you know? But when you're doing a routine that is the same every single day without any variation, your life just starts to flash, dude. I mean, it's. It's May. Tomorrow's May were one third of the way through 2025. Yeah, that's nuts. [00:51:16] Speaker A: It is. It is. Yeah. I do want to point out I made a stop, collaborate and listen reference in one of our podcasts, which was a song reference, and one of our listeners. Yeah, one of our listeners was like, he didn't get it. He just kind of, like, kept going, like, okay, why'd you tell me to stop and collab? Like, listen? Like, I was like, yeah, he didn't get the Vanilla Ice reference. [00:51:41] Speaker B: I know that reference. Now that you say it like that. I. I don't know how I missed it. [00:51:47] Speaker A: So. No, I. I totally get what you're saying, like, as far as. And I think that's really cool because I see those people walking around, like, at this company, I'm this client that I'm working with. It's a big facility, and, like, you'll all. You'll just see guys kind of just strolling around. Like, they're just walking around the. The perimeter of the property, and you're. You know, and it just, like, after hearing you say it, I'm like, man, maybe. Maybe I should do that, like, just to clear my head, get away from the desk, get away from the work, not worry about anything. That's cool. [00:52:22] Speaker B: Also, dude, try to take a different drive home once or twice a week. [00:52:32] Speaker A: Oh yeah, that sounds like. That just sounds like I've like that just doesn't sound fun. [00:52:39] Speaker B: No, it depends on your drive. There's about four or five different ways I can go home and they're all about 21 minutes long. So it really doesn't matter which way. [00:52:49] Speaker A: Same here? Yeah, same here. [00:52:51] Speaker B: So yeah, sometimes I'll go like there's basically the street that my work is on goes six miles down to the street that my house is on and then I can just go straight up there. The highway is a little bit faster but like you're just driving through the country basically and there's no lights. It's just all stop signs the whole way. So it just mixes up the routine and just. You remember the drive home. You know we talked about hypnotism and how. [00:53:22] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:53:23] Speaker B: People, people. [00:53:23] Speaker A: Why do we want to remember the drive home? [00:53:27] Speaker B: Because why do you want to just fly through your day and like miss stuff? [00:53:31] Speaker A: I don't. But usually my drive homes are my mindless driving. So I could be. Be in, in prayer. Like, honestly, like a lot of my idle thought now is prayer thought. It's prayer life. It's like, it's conversations with the Lord, like, oh, you know, man, I want to, I want to lift this guy up. Or you know, like Lord, that was kind of funny yesterday that that happened. So I don't like to have to be. I, I notice when I have to break my thought to drive, I start losing track in my, in my, in my conversation with the Lord and my prayer thoughts. Okay, but I, I will try that. You know, I'll try, I'll try a couple different. [00:54:09] Speaker B: No, it. Did you, did you mention poor work life balance? [00:54:21] Speaker A: Yeah, it does say poor work life balance and it does say some of the symptoms are like physical, like fatigue, headaches, sleep issues, emotionally irritability, apathy, cynicism, anxiety and depression and then behavioral wise, withdrawal, procrastination, poor performance and ab absenteeism. Why do you say poor? Why, why did you bring. Why did that one speak out to you? Poor work sl. Life balance. [00:54:57] Speaker B: I can't, I can't say that it did. I don't think that's something I struggle with. It's just something I, I saw a lot when I was researching. I think that blurring the line between work and home life, although I'm not sure it should be this way, you know, like I really think you should do something you enjoy and like Work shouldn't feel like work. And, like, I have a job that I really enjoy, but I am very good at leaving it at work and not bringing it home. I've complained about work to my wife maybe three times, because no matter how bad it was, it's probably gone by the time I get home. Like, I'm not thinking about it anymore, you know? And, like, some. Some of my co workers, dude, they'll. They'll bring up an issue from three days ago, and they'll be like, well, you know, I was talking to my wife about it last night, and it was like, you were talking to your wife about this last night, two days after it happened? Like, dude, fuck. Get a crib, dude. Like, it didn't matter. It didn't matter at all, you know? But, like, I can get why, like, bringing that shit home with you every day is now tainting your break from work, and then, like, that's also making your, like, home life. Now you're not getting a break from your home life at work either. You're bringing that shit with you to work, you know, and, like, blurring the lines between those two things, like, if. If they're fatiguing you, either one, I can see, like, it just doesn't end if you're doing that. [00:56:32] Speaker A: Yeah. I never understood that growing up. My dad was an alcoholic because, well, that helped him forget about work. And I remember being young, and I was like, dude, why? Why do you drink so much? And he was like, you know, like, you know, because I bring home work. I bring work home with me. It's like. It's just on my mind. Like, I'm constantly thinking about. It's my only escape. And I'm like, so is your God so small you can't give him your problems? And he takes them away. And he was like, fuck you. Don't you ever talk to me about God again. And I was like, okay, all right, cool. Yeah, so that's cool. Yeah, I never got that because when. [00:57:09] Speaker B: I get home from work, talk to him that way. That's. [00:57:11] Speaker A: You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, don't get me wrong. My initial response was like, suck my dick, bro. You know? [00:57:17] Speaker B: But I took the low road. [00:57:25] Speaker A: But I. I just never understood that because, like, when I get home from work, work's at work. Now, if you're asking, like, how did work go? And there was an event that happened, I'll share it with you, but, like, for the most part, I'm gonna tell you, it was a regular day. I love what I Do you know it rains on the rich and the poor, the rich and poor alike. And today might have been a hard day, but it's no different than, like I've said before, like, your day, your day was just harder on a different. Like, it was hard for you based on your scale of hardness. Mine was hard on me or easy on me based on my scale of hardness or easy, like, it's. It. You know, you might be, again, a stay at home mom and I might be building America, but that doesn't mean, like, your day wasn't hard on you. You know what I mean? Like, I can't discredit the hardness of your day because you're a stay at home mom or because, you know, you're, let's say you're a waiter or let's say, you know, like, you're a hostess. I can't discredit the, the day being hard on you because of your position. It's, it's literally, you know, and, and I kind of view life like that in general. Like, why do I want to make anybody's day shitty? Why do I want to be that guy that, like, is a spotlight in someone's day for making it shitty? You know what I mean? [00:58:43] Speaker B: Joe Rogan says this all, all the time, and it really shifted my perspective on, like, having empathy for other people. He always says the. The worst thing that ever happened to you is the worst thing that ever happened to you. So, like, if the worst thing that ever happened to you is your dog died when you were 12, still the worst thing that ever happened to you, you know, so it's like, it's not like us who have had harder experiences in life can really, like, stick our nose up at that person and be like, well, you don't know, you know, real suffering or anything. It's like that was their suffering. Like they suffered in that moment, you know? [00:59:19] Speaker A: I mean, yes and no. Like, I can say, like, you don't know real grandma, you know, or like real grandpa, but I can't, I can't necessarily take your feelings away about it, but, like, sure, I get it. Yeah. [00:59:35] Speaker B: Yeah. All right. Nick Offerman, the, the actor. He. He's a carpenter. And that was kind of like his day job before, before he became like a big actor. And. And he still does it. He still runs a. [00:59:51] Speaker A: That's crazy because you said that name. And I was like, never heard of the guy, but apparently he's a big actor. [00:59:55] Speaker B: What did he think he was? Ron Swanson on Parks and Recreation? And he was the President. [01:00:03] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He actually has a, a game show where like it's. Oh, really? Craftsmanship. Yeah, yeah. [01:00:11] Speaker B: Oh yeah, yeah. He's super into it. Like he makes canoes like crazy. He's got a wood shop in la or he did a few years ago. I don't know if he's still does. [01:00:18] Speaker A: That's crazy. [01:00:18] Speaker B: But like, he loved it so much, he kept doing it after he was famous and rich and he's, he had this like one man show, kind of stand up special thing that he did. And he was just encouraging everyone to like find a rear that you actually like. And he's like, so many people work Monday through Friday at something they hate and then they get drunk at Olive Garden for two days just to try to forget about it. And that's just sad. Like, why would you do that to yourself? You know? And it's, you know. [01:00:52] Speaker A: That'S sad, but that's a reality. Like it's easy when you're an actor or a woodworker that you kind of been doing it since you were young. Hear me out. You're doing it since you're young, you love it. And then you're telling the Olive Garden waiter, let's forget about the guy sitting at the Olive Garden bar telling the Olive Garden waiter, like, hey, dude, like, do something you love. And he's like, dude, I. I'm just trying to make rent. [01:01:15] Speaker B: Like, no, I, I get what I love. [01:01:17] Speaker A: I can't do for a living, you know, Like, I would love to be an actor, but I'm not getting any. [01:01:22] Speaker B: Acting gigs because you took them all. It's, it's kind of subjective though. Like, I mean, I work in tech support now and maybe it wouldn't be my favorite job ever if I had had better jobs before. But it's, you know, I hated all my jobs before and now I'm doing something I really like. So. So it's like I do feel a little bit of that. Like I'm not getting drunk at Olive Garden for two days just because I hate my job so much, you know? And it's like, it's a big industry, there's a lot of jobs there. So it's like, I think even the Olive Garden waiter could find something he liked better. And maybe, maybe you don't quit that job. Maybe you do that job just to support a creative pursuit, but that creative pursuit, like gives you something to do do on the weekends so that you're not getting drunk at all of Carton, you know, and you have to take. [01:02:11] Speaker A: Into consideration there are people out there that don't. They are okay with self sabotaging themselves. They're okay with making excuses to not succeed. [01:02:20] Speaker B: And they don't have okay with, like. [01:02:23] Speaker A: Yeah, they really don't. [01:02:25] Speaker B: I really, I really come across that a lot and it blows my mind. Like, I just come across people who don't do anything with their free time. Like, you know, they might be busy with kids and stuff, but it's like the kids go to sleep and then you're watching a Netflix show. It's like you really don't have anything that you like to do. Like, you don't read, you don't write, you don't, you know, doodle. Like, there's nothing like, he's just really. You work and you watch Netflix. That's all you do. [01:02:57] Speaker A: I think for me, it was kind of. I came to that point of like, I'm wasting time that I can be growing in. [01:03:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:03:05] Speaker A: You know, like, I'm wasting. And again, that's why, like, I want to do these things. I want to reach out to my daughters and pray over them every week. I want to go out to breakfast with my mom. I want to read books in my free time. I want to study the Bible in my free time. Like, TV does nothing for me. It's not that I don't enjoy it, it does something for me in that sense. But as far as, like, personal growth, it's doing nothing for me. You know what I mean? It's the stagnant part of my life. And I think there was a. Just a time, like maybe a year or year and a half ago where I was like, I want to be productive in my downtime. I want to be growing or challenging myself some way in my downtime to impact either myself or someone else. [01:03:48] Speaker B: Yeah, you gotta want that. That's the crazy thing. It's not like, just some people don't have that. And it's just like I've never looked at free time even when I was wasting my life. I mean, I. I'll. I'll admit when I was 18, like, I wasn't doing anything worthwhile, but, like, all of my free time went into music. It was still something I really enjoyed. It went nowhere, it didn't matter. But like, I had a passion and something that I was like, putting all of my energy into. And it's just bizarre when you come across people who don't have that for anything, you know, like, they really are just getting by, like, they're just surviving and it doesn't. [01:04:33] Speaker A: And let's say you do work a job that you're not, you're not happy at. Let's say that, let's put you in that position. There's a better alternative. Just to use the example of spending two days getting drunk in Olive Garden. There's a better alternative in the sense of like, well, I go to work Monday through Friday at this shit job so that on Saturday, Sunday I can have the luxury and liberty of pouring into my, my hobby, my activity, my craft, my whatever it is. Like there's gonna be so much more fulfillment versus like, damn, I forgot what the weekend consisted of because I've been drunk all weekend. But hey, it's Monday and I gotta redo this again. Like I gotta do it all over again. Yeah. You know, I mean like there's such a more, there's such a better self reward when you can actually when you're pouring into something you enjoy. [01:05:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:05:31] Speaker A: Whether it's, whether you don't work at a place you enjoy, but you still are doing, you still get to a con. It provides something for you to do stuff that you enjoy. [01:05:43] Speaker B: Yeah. And I still think most people could probably still find something that they like more and they should strive for that. But you know, maybe you do have a very unrealistic passion. Like, you know, you play the flamenco guitar and it's like, yeah, I just don't see how I'm ever gonna make a career out of this. Maybe you're right. I bet you can pick up some gigs on the weekend and probably make a, a couple hundred bucks. Just saying. But like having, even at kids parties, having that creative fulfillment when you're not working and like working so that you can do that, I mean, that's still gonna refresh you in a much better way than, than just sitting around doing nothing, you know. [01:06:25] Speaker A: I agree, I agree. Some of the impact of being burnt out is usually mental, physical. But it also takes tolls on your personal relationships as well as your productivity and performance on whatever you do. And I think it definitely stunts your long term careers and goals. Like it just like you being burnt out and being like in this headspace of like, you know, I kind of talked to these, I've talked to a couple young guys and I'm like, hey, what do you need prayer for this week? And they're like, man, I just feel like I'm in like the monotony of life. Like every day is the same thing. Every day I go to work, I come home, I go to sleep, get up, go to work, do it all over again. Like there's like the monotony of life and my encouragement to them is take risk, do something you think the Lord's calling you to and, and like, like jump out into it. Like, try and try and take risks there, you know, Like, I don't think you're, you're, you're, you're at a good spot to where you know your failure is not going to be as impactful as like a 40 year old man with you with a family of five. [01:07:40] Speaker B: Yeah, very true, very true. And like, you know, that's, that's kind of just like a way more extreme version of what I was saying earlier of like, take a different drive home at night, you know, like even the littlest things. But also like you kind of gotta want to enjoy things and that's kind of what burnout robs you of. It robs you of like your passion and like enjoyment of things. So like, you still kind of have to strive to enjoy the little things, you know, like you, you do have to just make a meal that you've never made before and just try to enjoy that experience and like, try to enjoy learning a new thing and enjoying a new thing. And like, wow, I learned how to cook something. Like it's just such a mundane thing, but like having the ability and, and that's what I'm saying, dude. I just. There are some people who don't have the ability to enjoy things like that. And I don't understand that because if I set well, I think some people I can, you know, but are incapacitated by fear. [01:08:42] Speaker A: Like I was talking to my mother on Sunday, we went to breakfast and she was like, you know, like, I got my tax return. It was sent to your cousin in California. But like, she's never been to a post office. So like, she's like, I don't know what to do. And I'm like, I think some people get scared of not knowing a situation. Like for instance, I said, J.J. going to the milk aisle, he gets overwhelmed because he thinks he's going to be in someone's way. He thinks he's going to be taking a long time to, to look at all the different milk options. I said, they don't just step out and do it. I think they're like, like, like they're just, they're stunned by their fear and they just like the fear of not knowing what, you know, what's what. Like, I just think. But I think you made some good points. Like there are some Things you can do to, to, to cope with these things, there's some strategies and, and one of them, like you said, was set boundaries. You don't bring work home. You don't, you, you know, like on your walks, you turn off your phone, you know, because like, you do need to get away. And honestly, like, I build things for a living and there's a chance that someone gets hurt, there's a chance that they hit some power, there's a chance that something goes wrong in the day, it's going to happen. If it happens like it, it is where it is. [01:10:03] Speaker B: Yeah. If you, if you, you got necessary, you suffer more. More than necessary. [01:10:12] Speaker A: Yeah, you guys, you guys were doing fine before I got here. You're going to be doing fine after I leave here. [01:10:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:10:17] Speaker A: You know, like I can possibly fix it right away, but you know what? Like, yeah, I was taking a break and I'm entitled to a break. I'm entitled to get away. So, hey, it happened, it happened. We're, we're here though. We're going to fix it now. Yeah, like I, you know, I don't know, just like things, not everything has to be done right now. Yeah, not everything has to be done right now. [01:10:37] Speaker B: Yeah. And taking things in bite sized pieces is, you know, the key to not getting overwhelmed with anything. And I think a lot of burnout, now that I say that a lot of burnout might be because you're not just waking up on Monday and going to work. You're waking up and this is kind of like the myth of like Monday being this, you know, magical day where we start going to the gym or whatever. But like, but like you're waking up to the week. Like it feels like on Monday you're starting the whole week and maybe the month and maybe the year. And it's like you're not, you're not, you're just getting up today and you're going to work and maybe you can take a nap. [01:11:18] Speaker A: Not only that, you got the load, you got the load that nobody handled on Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Yeah, you know, Friday they were like, oh, it's the end of the week, I'm taking out. I'm not going to do my full responsibility because I feel like some people are like, oh, it's Monday. Everything from last week I got to deal with. Plus this week. You know, it's like this special day where I'm like, yeah, it's Monday, dude. Like, you know, it's a good day. But you know, some of the other coping strategies are exercise, mindfulness and hobbies again. Having a hobby really helps you escape the monotony of going to work every day. [01:11:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:11:52] Speaker A: You know, gives you that. That release. And I try and tell people, like, painting by numbers sounds stupid. It's so relaxing because it's so thoughtless. [01:12:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:12:00] Speaker A: You know what I mean? Oh, I gotta put my brush in number two, paint color and put it on the number two spot. Like, there's nothing where you're like, oh, I'm messing up these heels or messing up this person's face. Like, no, you just gotta put that. That number in the outline of. Of that. And it's. It's so nice to have a drink and just do some paint by numbers. Yeah, it really is. [01:12:21] Speaker B: Yeah. I wrote down a couple things that I do or have done. Since we're kind of getting into that. Let me. So let's see. I wrote this down a couple days ago. Let's see if I can make sense of my chicken scratch. Reassess what you're doing. If you only do what you want and need, you'll have enough to keep you busy for a lifetime. What was I writing that for? Was I, like, writing that to go on a coffee mug or something? Why did I word it that way? But, I mean, it's kind of profound. When I read it back, you know what? I was right. [01:13:02] Speaker A: I think my point was like, you know what? Now that I read that, yeah, this shit's profound. [01:13:06] Speaker B: I don't know. [01:13:07] Speaker A: Does belong on a coffee cup. [01:13:09] Speaker B: That's what taking a walk at work will get you. I remember writing these down when I got back from my walk. [01:13:15] Speaker A: So. [01:13:15] Speaker B: Yeah, that sounds kind of nuts, but when you think about it, that's what I was saying about what you want and what you need and, like, leading worship at a thing during the week. It's just something I've done a lot throughout the years, and I always got burnt out on it because it was week after week after week with no break. Eventually, if you cut back to what you absolutely want to do and what you absolutely need to do to keep the lights on, you're. You're still gonna have tons to do, but it's all gonna matter, and it's not gonna be as overwhelming, you know, like, I have to go to work, and I want to write and draw and do all these other things, and I want to spend time with my daughter and my wife, and I want to watch a movie, you know, like, it. It. You know, you find that the time starts to fill with stuff that doesn't make you want to kill yourself. You know, when you, when you really cut back and prove. [01:14:09] Speaker A: That's why I structured my Bible study. Yeah, that's why I structured my Bible study for bi weekly. I didn't want it to be a chore where I'm like, oh, I got to be able to, to get my studying in for, for the podcast. So I have, you know, material to talk about, but I also have to make sure I have a, a three point sermon on this week's study prepared for the guys, you know, like, and then I'm just like, I just go from reading the word to jumping on and researching. I didn't want to do that. So I just told the guys, like, hey, we're doing bi weekly. You know, gives, gives everyone a break. Kind of like what you were saying when it comes to like, I want to do it, but I don't want to do it weekly. You know what I mean? Like, you know, maybe and maybe once, once every month we, we go out and we just have cigars and hang out. But yeah, I think, I think that's, that's what you need and what you want. There has to be that healthy. I think that's the work life balance. Like there has to be that healthiness to it. [01:15:05] Speaker B: But there's things that don't fall into those categories. There are things. [01:15:10] Speaker A: What do you mean? [01:15:10] Speaker B: Like, like leading worship when for a Bible study that you don't want to lead worship for anymore. It's not something you need to do and it's not something you want to do. So why are we doing it? You know, And I was the king of that, dude. There was literally a time in my life where I was leading worship six nights a week. [01:15:28] Speaker A: But you need to do it because you, you, you took that responsibility. You stepped up and said you're going to, therefore you need to. [01:15:33] Speaker B: Yeah, but I don't have to do it forever. And the time came where I, I had to cut it out. It wasn't working anymore. [01:15:41] Speaker A: And that's something I think you do need to, you do need. I think prevention wise, you do need regular check ins with yourself. Yeah, you need to figure out where you're at, where, what, what is working, what is not working. And for me, like, it does say one of the prevention methods is rest and recovery, building resilience and self care routines. But also like, I want to encourage other people to, to do it with me, you know, like, hey guys, I don't want to lead every Tuesday. I'm just being straight up. I don't want to lead every Tuesday. I want one of you guys to like, want to kind of step up into this, this, this, this spot and, and expand to yourself, like, you know, like stretch yourself and I'll be right there to help you, you know, like. But I want you guys to expand and stretch yourself in this area so you can see what it's like to, you know, to read the word and study it if that's what you want to do. Again, like, it's great to be fed once a week, twice a week. I mean once, once every two weeks, but you got to be feeding yourself. I can't be your only meal, you know. And I don't mean that just in the Bible study sense, but I'm saying like that's some of the routines I'm trying to implement, you know. Like, I know I don't. I know there might come a point where I get burnt out because I'm trying to do this every. I want to make it something more than what it. I want, want to. You know, like if you were working or playing music, playing worship, how cool would it be to be like, hey, let this younger guy come along, let me teach him how to play a little couple songs and then watch him go out and do his thing. I'd find some joy in that as a, as a worship leader. [01:17:31] Speaker B: Here's something I used to do when I had a social life and I over scheduled myself terribly. I had like all these weekly things that I was always doing, but I would pick a week, maybe six, seven weeks out, and things wouldn't be scheduled in yet. So I would just put a big red bar over that week and I would, and I would just say try not to schedule too much. So I'm not gonna not do anything. But like if someone wants to have dinner that week, like, okay, I'll put that on the calendar but like probably going to try to avoid anything else. And then that week I've got a pretty mellow week to kind of reset, relax, just do the bare necessities and you know, maybe have dinner with a friend and then, you know, back to my regular routine the following week. But I don't have anything on my calendar now. [01:18:25] Speaker A: And that sometimes can be burnout on the, on the flip side, burnout doesn't necessarily have to be work related or being busy with thing related outside of, outside of your life work. I mean, burnout could be from someone who has a, an excessive party life, an excessive hosting life of going out with friends every night and, and having dinner and you know, and yeah, on this side of the, the lens, looking at your Instagram, it looks like you're, you're living, you're living a fun life. But, you know, like, we went out Friday after the go kart racing, and I'm just a social person in general. And, you know, I was talking to a bunch of anybody that walked past me, I'm talking to him, you know, guy in a pink shirt. I'm like, dude, love that you're rocking the pink. We're talking. But like, my co workers, like, dude, like, you just have one of those, like, extrovert personalities. And I'm like, I'm really not. Like, I do come across as extroverted, but every test I've taken for work and I've taken multiple ones for different companies, they all come back with the same exact results that I'm an introvert. And I'm like. And so, like, Monday came around again. He's talking to me. He's like, no, I don't know about all that. So Monday comes around, I go, dude, Friday drained me. Like, drained me. Like, I didn't want to do nothing Saturday or Sunday because I was so drained Friday of being the extrovert. And maybe it's because of how I was raised and what I was raised doing, but talking to people comes easy. However, I do, I do, it does drain my battery quite a bit, you know, like, and I couldn't imagine doing that every day. Like, I think that would be very draining to be someone in sales every day just trying to, you know, be your little, your little monkey, Just, hey, you know, like, let me entertain you so I get the sale. Like, I just, I feel like, yeah, I don't know. So doing something you love to do is definitely important, but I think when you start to get off the rails, doing an evaluation, a self evaluation is, is, is not only necessary, but I think it's also necessary to figure out what do I, what, what, what feeds me. What do you think feeds you? [01:20:46] Speaker B: Being in the word, spending time, spending time with my family. That's not like, hey, we're getting through the nightly routine. We're doing bath bottle, books, bed, you know, not like that, but like having an uninterrupted, like on a Saturday, we're going to walk to the park and we're not like rushing to get to the next thing. You know what I mean? Like, that, that kind of thing. And creative outlets are vital for me as well. But also, like, do you think, would. [01:21:20] Speaker A: You consider for a creative outlook? Like, I Don't know. Package punching. [01:21:29] Speaker B: No, you know what? I would, I would put that under the column of bad, not good. [01:21:39] Speaker A: I thought about that. When you're like, hey, like not being in a rush to get anywhere, I'm like, yeah, I get those. Like, cuz those are some of the most hectic days is when like you're off but you have like this agenda that was set up like we got to go here and we got to do this and we got to do this. And for the most part when it comes to chores like that, I want to knock them out within the first two or three hours. I don't want to make a meal out of it, I don't want to make a day out of it. But when you just say, hey, we get there when we get there and if we can't get there, we can't get there, those seem, those tend to be the more easier days on your anxiety, your, your, your mindset. So that's the only reason why I brought it up. Because when you said not having an agenda and having to be somewhere, I'm like, oh, I get that. Which to me I was like, yeah, I'd probably be punching some. [01:22:29] Speaker B: We weren't in a huge rush that day. It was just, you know, frustrating. But Tim Challies had a, has a book called Do More Better and it's all. But he's a Christian writer. But he, it was a productivity book like with a Christian mindset. And one of the things that I lifted from his technique that I still do is I have a task on my task manager once a week on Fridays to just catch up on things. So this is just stuff like organizing your Google Drive, clearing out your voicemail. I've got an email inbox where like anything I don't want in my inbox, but I need to get to it. But not right now. I call it the later box. I go through my later box every Friday. So I try to do all that in about a half an hour. Try not to take too much time on it. But one of the things I put on that list to do every week is to look at the next like week or two of what my task manager has scheduled and like look at some of those tasks that I've been snoozing for like three weeks and then ask like, can I knock this out tomorrow and just be done with it or do I really not want to do this? Because like I'll have a blog idea and I'll write that down and then never really get to it. And after like seven weeks, I'm like, I don't even want to write this blog anymore. Bang. Delete. Like now I'm not thinking about it every day, you know, I'm just making myself feel guilty for not doing something that I have no obligation to do, you know? So. [01:24:04] Speaker A: No, I totally get that because I kind of live that same life. Like, I look at it, I'm like, oh, I've been rescheduling this thing for like two weeks now. There, there have been things where I've had them scheduled for like the last two months or last six months even, like, do your passport. And I'm like, I really don't care to do my passport until I have the money to pay for my passport. [01:24:24] Speaker B: I had, you know, I had tax appointments. [01:24:26] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, I totally get that. [01:24:28] Speaker B: I think starting in January. And I snoozed it every week until April 1st. And then I finally scheduled my tax appointment. And it's like that would have been. It took me literally two minutes. It, like I could have knocked that out so quickly. And like, why, why did I. Yeah, I don't know. I do that with a lot of things. You got to be realistic. [01:24:54] Speaker A: So I think some of the, the major points of, of kind of getting around burnout is making sure there are things you enjoy and not being afraid to have boundaries. Yep, there are things you enjoy in life and for those you don't. Not being afraid to set up boundaries and say, yeah, not gonna do that, or I gotta take a step away from this. And it's important, I think, to self evaluate, Evaluate where you're at. [01:25:21] Speaker B: And, and a huge, a huge thing. Just like physiologically, scientifically, everything backs us up. And I know neither of us really are good at this, but I'll be a hypocrite. And I'll say that we should be more serious about getting more sleep. Like they, they are literally finding out that lack of sleep is the cause of Alzheimer's, you know, like, it is very bad for you. It's like the world I'm living in a different world when I get seven hours of sleep versus six, you know, so it's like I just, I don't do it very well. I almost never get more than six, but like, when I can, man, I'm in a better mood. I feel better. I don't, I don't need to drink as much coffee. I get more done, you know. [01:26:13] Speaker A: I've. I feel like six is already too much, dude. I mean, like, there's so much that goes on in the day, bro. Yeah. There's so much you got to do in a day where it's just like, if I was doing eight hours of sleep. Now, let's just split that over two days because, you know, I'm kind of ending one day and starting another. I got 20 hours. 10 of it's at work. You know, it just. [01:26:37] Speaker B: I just feel like eight hours is a lot, but six and a half, seven. [01:26:42] Speaker A: Well, then I. I remind. Yeah, and then you got the eight at the four at night. So just eight hours out of the day leaves you 12 hours. I don't know where I got that number from, but 12 and 8 is 20, and I'm down 4 somewhere, so. [01:27:00] Speaker B: So 16 hours, 12 hours at work. Are you saying. [01:27:06] Speaker A: No, I mean, I do spend around 10 hours a day at work, plus eight hours of sleeping, so I get like six hours. [01:27:12] Speaker B: Let's say. Let's say 16 hours. If you slept six hours. [01:27:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:27:17] Speaker B: You'd have. You'd have eight hours left with your day. [01:27:22] Speaker A: Yeah. And, you know, there's. There's shopping, there's coming home and cooking. I'm not doing all this every day, but I do cook a lot, you know, like, and that's a. That's like an hour and a half. Plus you got clean up. I mean, like, I just feel like there's not. If. If I. If I went from six to seven, I just feel like I'm losing some. Create like some. Some really productive time. [01:27:44] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. I feel that. That's why we do it. I mean, that's why we don't sleep enough. Yeah, it's not good for you. [01:27:54] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't care if I get Alzheimer's, bro. [01:27:58] Speaker B: All right, well, you won't remember that we had this conversation. [01:28:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:28:03] Speaker B: I won't throw it in your face. [01:28:07] Speaker A: And if someone plays this for me, I'm like, that wasn't me. That was clearly Lucas. Whoever this Lucas guy is. Sounds like a stud, but that's not me. [01:28:18] Speaker B: Little vain, but. [01:28:21] Speaker A: He'S a lot of vain. [01:28:25] Speaker B: Let's see what else I got here. Rest, boundaries, reconnection therapy. I don't know. You know what? I realized that I never. I never finished talking about why I stopped going to therapy, but I didn't really get a lot out of it. Dude, did. You got a lot out of it for a long time, but you kind of felt like you had the tools now. [01:28:54] Speaker A: Well, they gave me tools. It's not necessarily like they did anything again, talking to them, they're like, you have some trauma from your Childhood. I'm like, nah, I don't. And they're like, yeah, like your parents, you have some like, trauma with your parents. I'm like, no, I really don't. Like, they did not wake up every day saying like, let's go up, Lucas. It's just how they handled life, you know, like, who hasn't done some where they're like, I'm doing the best I can. It's not the best according to your standard, but I wouldn't be the man I am if they weren't the fuck ups they were, you know, I wouldn't be a father that was in that knew that my kid had needs and that spending time with your kids was important, you know, because I only knew that because I desired that from my parents when I grew up. You know, I wouldn't necessarily, when I do smoke weed or do. Do those things, hide it from my kids because my parents didn't hide it from me, you know, Like, I just. The, the. I knew there were certain things I didn't want to do, but they were based on the negative situation of my parents. So for me, it's, it's. I don't look at it as a bad thing. Like, I'm not, I don't hold any animosity towards my parents. You know, I don't care for them because just the people they are in, in. In a sense, you know, like, I don't care for my dad and who he is, but you know, to honor God, I honor my father. My mom, I have a lot of good memories with my mom. But my mom was also the one that introduced me to like, speed and getting drunk and, you know, like sex. Like her friends, it was her co workers who taught me how to do things to women, you know, like, you know, I was 13, learning some, some. Some cool stuff on the block that no other kid knew, you know what I mean? Like, I was doing the Alphabet with my tongue. You know what I mean? [01:30:43] Speaker B: I'm just watching the Alphabet with their. [01:30:45] Speaker A: Tongue, you know, like, you know, so I didn't, I didn't mind, you know, But I look back at it now, I said, yeah, I probably wouldn't do the same to my kids, but, you know, it made me who I am and I'm pretty happy with who I am. [01:31:02] Speaker B: Would you go back to therapy? [01:31:06] Speaker A: Depends what kind of therapy we're talking about. Like going to just sit and talk to someone? Yes and no. I do enjoy the conversation. I would go to like, CBD therapy just because they have cool tools and Tactics of coping, or not even coping, but like they have cool tools and tactics of like how to resolve conflict, you know, I mean, like, it's more or less like the stuff, real life application stuff I enjoy. But if I could get that in a book, I'm cool with just getting out of a book. I just don't go buy those books. But as far as like sitting and talking to someone one on one and the cb, CMBD therapy or emdr, whatever it is, they're group sessions. So you're kind of like going through a workbook with workbook with people. But like the one on one therapy sessions, I think they're cool. Like, I think it's situational. If you have had a trauma that you're having a hard time dealing with. For sure I don't have that. But I do enjoy the one on one. I do enjoy the, you know, the talking to someone, like I talk to you. I enjoy sitting with, with people in general one on one and getting to know them and, and talking situationally, you know, and if you're doing it weekly, well, there is a relationship there where you kind of know what's going on daily with each other's lives. I have guys in my life that I do that with. I'm, I'm totally, I'm totally okay. Right. You know, like, that's all a therapist was for me is like an additional person to talk to. And you can't leave. I mean, like, you can't, you can't just be like, ah, well, my kids are here, I gotta go. Nah, player. Paying you $175 an hour to listen to this. You know what I mean? [01:32:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:32:52] Speaker A: And so with that, I'm gonna get a little more vulgar. You know, I might, I might drop a little couple different customers. I might try and get a wow factor out of you again. I don't know. But if you're definitely, if you have been like raped and you're definitely struggling with sleeping and you're definitely having like these, these PTSD moments, I think, yeah, therapy is probably very necessary if you're a regular man like yourself, like myself, who I definitely am very conscious of who I am and how I feel and I journal and I try and evaluate where I'm at. If you're that kind of guy, I don't necessarily think you need therapy unless you just want to kind of like again, have a sounding board, you know, Like, I do do that. I do call older men and say, hey, look, I don't have a father figure that I can actually trust. I have a. I have an ultimatum before me. I could take this job or this job. Here's the pros and cons. As a father, like, as a. As a grown man who's done life, what would your. Your guidance to me be, you know, as a soundboard? At the end of the day, I still have to make the decision. So, like, I do enjoy therapy for that session for that kind of stuff, but I don't need to pay for that. Like, I could literally call men that I surround myself with and talk to them. [01:34:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:34:22] Speaker A: You know, like, the whole dad situation when he came into town and, you know, was like, oh, I didn't do dishes. And I'm like, that's. You know, I didn't know where your dishes went. It's funny, because you knew where the plates were and the silverware was because you ate. So you could have still unloaded the. [01:34:39] Speaker B: Put them back there. [01:34:40] Speaker A: Yeah, you still could have unloaded the bottom rack of the dishwasher. I just went and kind of vented to the guys that my friends, you know, like, you and my friends. On the way up to the men's retreat, I was like, this motherfucker, you know? But I didn't need to go to therapy and be like, so my dad came in town and, like, this is how it affected me. I was definitely. I was definitely affected by his stay, but I was only affected by his stay in the sense that my kids were uncomfortable and they didn't feel at home with him. And that's what bothered me the most. It wasn't so much, like, what he was doing to me. I was totally fine, you know, I was. But I was bothered because my kids didn't feel like their home was their home at the time. And for me, that bothered the shit out of me. It was like, look, like you're just kind of crashing here. You're not even visiting. So, yeah, Thursday is your last day. Get the out. You know, And I said it nicely, yeah, you can stay here till Thursday. No, not your birthday. Thursday, the Thursday prior, you know, like, three days from now. [01:35:49] Speaker B: That really is a shame that that episode is Lost, dude, because you. You really went off. One last thing that I would mention on this subject is a Sabbath man. I don't know. I don't know how you feel about it, but I've kind of drifted away from it just because there's so much to do right now in this season. But I'm hoping when I move back to Orange County, I can get back in the Rhythm of working six days and having a. Having Sundays off and just really not doing anything but reading my Bible and spending time with family and stuff. [01:36:34] Speaker A: Yeah, I definitely think you need. One of the. One of the things in here was, like, having a rest and relaxation or like a retreat, a priority, which I definitely think is important, you know, to kind of just have that day. It's hard. You have to get out of that mindset that you're wasting a day. [01:36:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:36:53] Speaker A: You know, because it's your. It's your one. It's, you know, you're two days off, one of them, you're not going to do nothing, and yet you might want to, you know, so there's definitely. Again, everything's a mindset and intentionality. Everything's a mindset and intentionality. You know, you could definitely view your. Your Monday through Friday as. As hell, because I don't want to do it. Or you could look at it as like, this is what provides me the income to do what I do those two days a week, what I do after work, what I do, you know, with my family and friends. And so I think it's. It's intentionality and outlook. [01:37:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think, like, God definitely designed it this way. Like, we're meant to work six days and not. I mean, it's like the. The manna dude. It's like he designed it to be fresh every morning except for the Sabbath, where the day before you would get double the portion and it would last. You know, like, he has, you know, I. I don't know, like, how far I kind of ebb and flow with, like, how far I really go with it. Like, I am gunned to my head. I am a Sabbatarian. I. I think that we need to be taking a day off, and I. I think, you know, we should go to church that day and we should, you know, kind of purposely engage with, like, the word and relax and just spend some time and. And kind of be purposeful in our rest that day. But, you know, I've. I've heard Christians go as far as to say, like, if there's a job that you're interviewing for and they want you to work on Sunday, well, then you better believe that God's got something lined up for you elsewhere, because God doesn't want you to do that job, you know, and it's like, I don't know. You know, that's. That I'm not really in a position to put that on people. But I. To the best of my ability, I have in the past tried to organize my week that way. And getting in or you shift your Sabbath day. Yeah, I mean, yeah, if you want to just. I mean, all right, let's do, let's do pineapple juice instead of wine for communion. Since none of it matters. I guess it's called the Lord's day. [01:39:10] Speaker A: God, but it was created for man. [01:39:15] Speaker B: But yeah. So, you know, getting into this topic, I think I need to kind of prioritize that again and like, doesn't feel like a Sabbath when we sit in front of the TV all day. So I really gotta like figure out, you know, what, what we're gonna do and you know, work, work on Saturday to set yourself up for success that day. You know, like make some sandwiches so you don't have to make lunch. You know, do stuff like that. [01:39:45] Speaker A: Wow. You're like, you go way far into it. You're like, I don't want to cook. I don't want to. I don't want to wipe my ass all day Saturday. So that way, Sunday, when Sunday comes. [01:39:55] Speaker B: Around, I take laxatives on Saturday. No, no, no, no. It's not, it's not like you're not allowed to make a sandwich. It's like, I don't want to like stress about lunch and like have to decide where we're going to go or like have to. [01:40:10] Speaker A: How about you go really biblical and you know, do a fast here and there. It's not like you can't. [01:40:15] Speaker B: Sunday's a feast day. [01:40:19] Speaker A: Oh, wow. He must have missed that in the desert. Okay, so. [01:40:28] Speaker B: It is a different Sabbath. [01:40:30] Speaker A: I get it. [01:40:30] Speaker B: To be, to be fair. [01:40:34] Speaker A: No, I get what you're saying. I just. Yeah, I enjoy spending a day of resting at him. [01:40:42] Speaker B: To be honest. [01:40:43] Speaker A: I did last Sunday. It was nice. [01:40:44] Speaker B: Yeah. What was that book that. It wasn't a Christian book. It was just science. I mean like neurology or whatever. But I think it was called 624. But they've basically like determined, like you do your best work on a six day work week. [01:41:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Really don't tell my boss that. [01:41:05] Speaker B: But like it doesn't have to be your job. It's just like, but like I know I'm actual rest on that seventh day, like really recharges and, and like helps with productivity and all that stuff. So it's almost like someone designed it that way, you know, but lately I've gotten away from it because there's just so much to do. I feel like I need both of those weekend days to, to catch up on everything. [01:41:32] Speaker A: But I Do my lease work on my fifth day. I'm like, it's Friday. [01:41:39] Speaker B: You are literally just complaining about people doing that. I gotta pick up the slack on Monday. You didn't say you were picking up the slack from yourself on Friday. [01:41:52] Speaker A: Yeah, dude, I'm like, hey, you know that I was supposed to do Friday? Well, it's Monday, and now I gotta do it. [01:41:58] Speaker B: That's Monday. Lucas's problem. Damn it. Friday, Lucas, why do you do this. [01:42:07] Speaker A: Friday? Lucas is cool. [01:42:08] Speaker B: Yeah. He drinks at work. He's cool, dude. He's got a mustache and aviator sunglasses. [01:42:17] Speaker A: I do. [01:42:18] Speaker B: Do you really? Yeah, man. [01:42:20] Speaker A: Yeah. Everybody makes the whole, like, oh, you look like a cop. Or you got your cop glasses or your top gun glasses. [01:42:26] Speaker B: You drive a Trans Am. You got a jean jacket. It's what I like about high school girls. I keep getting older and they stay the same age. All right, all right, all right, dude, I. [01:42:40] Speaker A: Listen, I was thinking more Frank the Tank working on the. [01:42:43] Speaker B: Yeah, Frank the Out Front. [01:42:45] Speaker A: But that's cool, dude. You want me to be a pedophile? [01:42:47] Speaker B: Yeah, man. Hell, yeah. I'm just saying, you're cool as hell. I don't know what your problem is. I listened to Rick Rubin interview Matthew McConaughey, and, like, Matthew McConaughey is pretty obviously a very smart guy when you start listening to him just talk about his process and stuff. But I couldn't help but laugh out loud when he started talking about, like, getting into character for Dazed and Confused. And, like, I can't remember what he said, but I just remember him saying, like. And this one line, like, once I read it, I really, like, I understood who this guy is all of a sudden, you know, like, when he said, it's like, dude, it wasn't that serious of a character like you. You know, it was kind of ridiculous. You don't need to mess. [01:43:32] Speaker A: I love the fact that you just. You. You did a pretty good imitation of him right now. [01:43:36] Speaker B: Yeah, Yeah. I was kind of doubting it when I said it, but if you say so. [01:43:40] Speaker A: That sounded good, man. You had me stop. I was going to make a comment. I was. I was in awe. My mouth was hoping. If you didn't see that, it was good. [01:43:48] Speaker B: I've been driving a Lincoln long before I was paid to. [01:43:57] Speaker A: Just rolling his booger. [01:44:01] Speaker B: Well, I'll never see that as cool ever again. [01:44:05] Speaker A: Honestly, dude, I think Jim Carrey's in. In Impression of him was spot on in snl. [01:44:11] Speaker B: I don't think I ever saw that. [01:44:13] Speaker A: That's the one where he's rolling the booger and he's like, how long have I been rolling this? All right, Davis. Well, it's been fun. What do you want to. Let's talk during the week, figure out what we want to cover for next week. I thought burnout was a great, a great, a great option. [01:44:36] Speaker B: I thought it would end up being one of those that wherever we got like 20 minutes of good stuff and then we just sort of banter the rest of the time. But there was a lot to get to on this one. It was. When I started looking into it, it was way more than I thought. I think it's cuz we both had, we've both had experiences in this and that just broadens like what we're able to talk about, you know? [01:44:57] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I, I, yeah, it was, it was, it definitely. I kind of felt the same way. Like, oh, we're going to five, ten minutes of, of, of stuff and then we're just gonna be talking about. [01:45:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:45:08] Speaker A: So. [01:45:10] Speaker B: Which is what people are used to from us. [01:45:13] Speaker A: You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but it's enjoyable. [01:45:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:45:16] Speaker A: You know, I keep getting text messages. [01:45:20] Speaker B: With quotes from us, so I don't know if I like that. I don't want a paper trail. [01:45:26] Speaker A: Try to get a job watching American dad as well. [01:45:28] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Yeah. You like it? [01:45:30] Speaker A: Yeah. One episode two. [01:45:32] Speaker B: All right, all right. Of the first season. [01:45:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:45:35] Speaker B: Okay. I will say it picks up in, in the maybe season two or three. So, you know, I thought it was. [01:45:42] Speaker A: Crazy because I did not know that he was not in a wheelchair the whole show. [01:45:48] Speaker B: What? [01:45:50] Speaker A: He ends up in a wheelchair, right? [01:45:52] Speaker B: Oh, no, no. There's a character who looks a lot like him on Family Guy. [01:45:57] Speaker A: Mother shit. This whole time I'm like, when's the wheelchair coming? [01:46:01] Speaker B: Like, what happens? [01:46:02] Speaker A: Does he. Okay, okay. All right, all right. Well, that changes everything. Okay. [01:46:09] Speaker B: All right. [01:46:11] Speaker A: That's a spoiler alert. All right, man, well, I love you and I'll talk to you next week. [01:46:16] Speaker B: All right, later, guys.