010: One of My Relapses Was on a Cruise Ship

[00:00:00] Speaker A: I want to. I want to show you the duality of. Of my brain. If that's okay. If I could take a moment. [00:00:07] Speaker B: Yeah. Have all the time you want, man. [00:00:08] Speaker A: Okay. I'm surprised that more pedophiles aren't murderers. [00:00:15] Speaker B: That's how you start out, with the duality of your. Your. That's the intro. That's what you open your show peak. [00:00:25] Speaker A: Because how do you depend on a kid to keep a secret? Right? I mean, like, wouldn't. If you did something that terrible, wouldn't your instinct be to kill that person? I mean, like, I. There are embarrassing. Not even wrong, but just embarrassing moments that I've had where if I could snap my fingers and all the witnesses of it would be dead, I would do it. [00:00:56] Speaker B: Yeah. So. [00:01:00] Speaker A: So the duality comes. [00:01:01] Speaker B: Are you planning on killing someone later on tonight? Is that what you're getting at? [00:01:05] Speaker A: No, no, I. Clearly, I'm not a pedophile. Because I don't think like, they think because I think I would kill all the kids. They don't do that for some reason. [00:01:17] Speaker B: No, you're right. Yeah. I mean, definitely be the smart route to take. [00:01:22] Speaker A: Okay, so the other side. The other side of what I'm thinking about is first, Kings 10. Let me read this to you. Let me take you there. [00:01:32] Speaker B: Wow. [00:01:34] Speaker A: These are just two things I thought of to open the show. And I was like, you know what? I should just do them both. I should. I should have both kinds of evenings. [00:01:41] Speaker B: You're on one tonight. Calvin. [00:01:44] Speaker A: Calvin Sweet, you're Solomon. You know why? [00:01:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:01:48] Speaker A: Because this. This passage is about Solomon. So. And I thought this was cool. And Solomon gathered together chariots and horsemen. He had 1400 chariots, 12,000 horsemen whom he stationed in the chariot cities and with the king in Jerusalem. And the king made silver as common in Jerusalem as stone. And he made cedar as plentiful as the sycamore of the Shefalah. Shefala. You probably know how to pronounce that better than me. Okay, so the riches in Jerusalem during Solomon's reign are so crazy that silver is as common as stone, and cedar is as common as sycamores, which I guess is a lesser tree. And Solomon's import of horses was from Egypt and Kew. And the king's traders received them from Kew at a price. Yada, yada, bunch of horses. Okay, so we had stones. We got precious stones. We got cedar, we got trees, we got animals. Okay, so Jerusalem is essentially becoming a type of garden under Solomon's reign because there's peace. They have all the land, all the land that was promised. That's the only time in history they have it. There's animals, there's precious stones, there's all this stuff. Okay, that's the very end of chapter 10. Goes right into chapter 11. Now, King Solomon loved many foreign women, along with the daughter of Pharaoh, Moabite, Ammonite, Edomite, Sidonian and Hittite women from which. From the nations concerning which the Lord had said to the people of Israel, you shall not enter into marriage with them, neither shall they with you, for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods. Solomon clung to these in love. He had 700 wives who were princesses and 300 concubines. And his wives turned away his heart, for when Solomon was old, his wives turned away his heart after other gods. And his heart was not wholly true to the Lord his God, as was the heart of David, his father. Okay, so tell me if you notice anything here. Then Solomon built a high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, and for Molech, the abomination of the Ammonites, on the mountain east of Jerusalem. East of Jerusalem. [00:04:13] Speaker B: Okay. [00:04:15] Speaker A: Right. Like, they go east of Eden when they're cast out of the garden. [00:04:20] Speaker B: Okay. [00:04:21] Speaker A: So they briefly. So the whole Bible is reconstituting the garden and trying to find the true Adam who's going to live up to what Adam was supposed to do. And Solomon is another dude in a long line of dudes who looks like he's going to be the new Adam, and then he isn't. But he comes really, really close, and Jerusalem starts to look like a garden. It starts to look like a Garden of Eden. And then he goes east and starts worshiping idols because of women. So that's what we're doing today. I'm just kidding. I wasn't even planning out saying. [00:05:07] Speaker B: Welcome. [00:05:07] Speaker A: To Isn't that Crazy? That is pseudonyms. I'm Calvin and you're Solomon. [00:05:13] Speaker B: Yeah. I wish you would have called me Hobbs or something. But that's cool. [00:05:18] Speaker A: I. I can call you Coolidge. [00:05:25] Speaker B: Did you ever get into Calvin and Hobbs? [00:05:27] Speaker A: No. [00:05:28] Speaker B: Do you notice the comic? Yeah. You've never read them? [00:05:32] Speaker A: Yeah. Have you read them and seen the little guy peeing? Nah. I've seen, like, the stickers of the little guy peeing on the back of trucks and stuff. [00:05:40] Speaker B: Yeah, you should. You should check that out. Are those 6 milligram or 3? [00:05:47] Speaker A: 3. It's my first package. I wanted to be careful. [00:05:51] Speaker B: Yeah. Yes, dude, 6. 6 will get you 6. [00:05:55] Speaker A: 6. 3. 3. Is not doing much. So I might need a 6. But I'm too afraid to go for the high dosage because I'm addicted. [00:06:03] Speaker B: Don't do it. Don't do it. Telling you and nicotine on your. Just so you know, nicotine on your gums in general is bad. It's bad for your gums. Nicotine is bad for your gums. Yeah. It has great benefits. Nicotine has good benefits for you, but it's one of the negatives is it's bad on your gums. [00:06:21] Speaker A: All right, I'll have to find another way. I know that writing. I figured if I only use them when I'm writing, then, like, it'll motivate me to write a lot, right? [00:06:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:34] Speaker A: And so now I just do them all the time. [00:06:38] Speaker B: No, that's how it starts thing when I'm at work, that's what I'll do. And, yeah, you get a little boost, you know, you kick one in. Sixes, though. Sixes hit you different people that do six to me, I'm like, man, you must have been, like, addicted, addicted, bro, because six. Six of my. So my stomach. [00:06:57] Speaker A: Really? [00:06:58] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure. It's like the phase I'm in in life, you know what I mean? [00:07:03] Speaker A: I'm wondering if I. If only I had willpower. I don't with nicotine. And I recognize that. I wish if I could do sixes, it might make sense if I'm only doing, like, one a day. But, like, people. I mean, everyone I know who uses Zyn, it's just one after another. They don't stop all fucking day. So, I mean, in that case, it's gotta be a three. You can't be doing sixes. That. That's like when we used to vape 24 milligram vape juice. There's 2 milligrams of nicotine in a cigarette. We were vaping 24 milligram vape juice all day and night, just sucking it. [00:07:47] Speaker B: Yeah. That's why. [00:07:48] Speaker A: No wonder I got so. My brain has never been the same. I mean, I smoked casually for years, and ever since the vape, if I have a little bit of nicotine, I am back into an addictive cycle. It's crazy, dude. I've never been the same. [00:08:07] Speaker B: Your face is just. You're straight up. I get it. I got it. [00:08:12] Speaker A: I got crazy eyes, dude. Yeah. [00:08:14] Speaker B: Let's see it, man. But that's so. That's. That's one reason a lot of these guys at my job site now, they vape. And there's times, like in the. In the morning, I'll want to have a cigarette, and so I'll bum one. I can't buy a pack. If I buy a pack, it's gone in a day. So I'll bum one and buy other people packs. I'll let them know, like, hey, 10 cigarette I bum from you. I'll just buy you a pack and. But yeah, yeah, like, if I start. If I buy a pack, I'm done. I'm done. So I'm smoking in a day. [00:08:54] Speaker A: I had a cigarette on. On Christmas Eve before that, August of 2020. I. I started smoking cigarettes when we first moved out here, and I. I quit pretty soon and then got a vape. And I mean, that's. It's. It was vape and then it was tobacco pipe or pipe tobacco. Like four bowls a day. [00:09:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:23] Speaker A: And then finally quit and had no nicotine for, like, two, two and a half years. But it's been a long time for cigarettes. [00:09:31] Speaker B: All right, so here's where I'm at. I can't. I don't vape because I am a guy that will sit on my couch all day, oh, put on some cops and just vape. [00:09:43] Speaker A: Wait, you like cops? [00:09:46] Speaker B: Just sit there and vape all day. And I know that's got to be horrible for you. So what I do is I smoke black and miles now throughout my day. I'll usually chew on them until I'm like, okay, I want to. I want to, like, have a drag. And then I'll. I'll hit it maybe twice. Then I'll put it out, save it for later. And that's the great thing about black mouth. They go. They go out, you know? [00:10:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:09] Speaker B: So I could take, like, I gotta. [00:10:10] Speaker A: Be honest, two or three. You've been making me want to get a cigarillo because the. The pipe tobacco. I sm. I smoke my pipe maybe once or twice a week. So I've got way more control over it than I used to. But your vape. My pipe. [00:10:26] Speaker B: Oh, your pipe. Your pipe. Okay. [00:10:27] Speaker A: Yeah. But the tobacco is old, and I think that's why it's making me kind of sick. If I have, like, the whole bowl, I'll get a little sick to my stomach. That or it's just I've smoked the same pipe tobacco for years now, and it's just. It's like having a whiskey that you threw up before. It just reminds you of, like, all the sick times. I don't know what it is, but whatever the case, I don't feel like going out and buying more Tobacco. So watching you with your cigarillos has made me like, ah. I mean, if it's only gonna be once a week, it could just be a cigarillo instead of the pipe, right? I mean it's all. It's usually just on the weekends when the baby's napping. It's the only time I smoke. [00:11:11] Speaker B: Yeah, but like this is. This is what? Like when I buy a sampler pack, I'm like, cool, this can last me six Wednesdays. That's how I look at it. [00:11:21] Speaker A: Oh, so you only smoke on Wednesdays? [00:11:23] Speaker B: Nah, I smoke pretty much. I'll have a cigar. But the cigarillos, like the black and miles. I'll have two or three a day every day. [00:11:33] Speaker A: No, are you serious? [00:11:36] Speaker B: I'm dead serious. Yeah. [00:11:37] Speaker A: Dude, I. I didn't want to do this, did I? Did I? Oh, serious. I triggered. I triggered. Siri, go away. Fuck off. Yeah, don't respond. I said fuck off. Sorry I said that word and it triggered that lady in my computer. I gotta Google this now because. Do you remember from Master's plan? [00:12:11] Speaker B: Wasn't he homeboy's dad, Dustin's dad? [00:12:15] Speaker A: No, that's. [00:12:18] Speaker B: Was dropping names. Calvin out here. [00:12:22] Speaker A: I'm gonna. I'm gonna bleep it. I'm gonna bleep it. I think if that. [00:12:27] Speaker B: Yeah, I think so. However, I was listening to. [00:12:30] Speaker A: Do you know that? Do you know that for a fact? Because I was joking. [00:12:34] Speaker B: No, I heard he's pretty sick though. I heard like, oh, really? Because I. I heard he totally went. He went like. I heard he went off the hinges. [00:12:42] Speaker A: His wife kicks him out in 2015 and I drove him to the airport so he could go back to Haiti. [00:12:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:50] Speaker A: And then a year later someone said, I saw him in Florida begging for change on the side of the highway. That's the last I ever heard of that dude. He was from Florida, so it sounds like he just went like. Probably got his connecting flight and just never left to go back to Haiti because that guy. So anyways, I. I haven't heard his name since that story of him being on the side of the road. So I mean, I always assumed like people lost track of him and who knows what happened to him. But anyways, so the other told me he smoked black and mild a pack a day. [00:13:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:27] Speaker A: For a year and got a heart attack. And he said that there's 400 milligrams of nicotine in each black and mild and that I never fact checked it. But we're going to fact check it right now because that Sounds crazy. [00:13:42] Speaker B: I think it is crazy. [00:13:45] Speaker A: It's got to be less than a cigarette. [00:13:52] Speaker B: It is pipe tobacco. [00:13:55] Speaker A: Oh, those are different. Yeah, those. [00:13:58] Speaker B: It says on the bottom world in cigar form. [00:14:02] Speaker A: Oh, you gotta get the real ones, man. Those are the ones. [00:14:06] Speaker B: Yeah. But for the most part, I like chewing on these. And then every now and then, I like. [00:14:10] Speaker A: Holy. [00:14:11] Speaker B: What? [00:14:12] Speaker A: Holy shit. The regular. Okay, I'm sure the pipe tobacco ones are fine, but it's that the Black and mild original, the regular black and milds, could have between 100 and 200, potentially as high as 400 milligrams of nicotine. There's two milligrams in a cigarette. You're rolling 200 cigarettes together three times a day. Please don't die. [00:14:42] Speaker B: I'm done now. I'm done now. I didn't know that, man. Yeah. [00:14:46] Speaker A: Do you remember. Do you remember since. Since I'm. Since I'm dropping names? Do you remember? [00:14:53] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I talked to him maybe a couple years ago. [00:14:56] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Oh, dude, I haven't talked to him in forever. I'd love to talk to him. He used to rip the filters off of Black and mild. And. And if I didn't know he was black, I would have said, are you black? He's black. [00:15:15] Speaker B: Yeah. I. I have guys that. I've had guys that would take out the white. The white lining and then just put it back together. [00:15:25] Speaker A: I've. I've ripped the filters off of cigarettes before, usually if it's a Camel Crush, because I hate menthol. I can't do menthol now. [00:15:35] Speaker B: I can. I can now, like, every now and then. Yeah, dude, I kind of. I feel like I have fresh breath afterwards. I know it's a lie, but it feels fresh. You know what I mean? [00:15:45] Speaker A: Do you remember in stealing Harvard when Tom, Greed is like, I smoke menthol so I don't have to brush my teeth. [00:15:53] Speaker B: That's how it feels for sure. [00:15:55] Speaker A: Yeah. No, not for me. And I think again, it's like, I was too sick too many times stealing Camel Crushes from my sister. And that's why I associate it with, like, sick feelings. [00:16:08] Speaker B: Okay. But here's. Okay, I fill that with, like, cloves because I did the same thing with cloves. However, Camel Crush is like. Or a menthol is equivalent to mint chocolate chip ice cream. Like, you don't always want it, but every now and then you're like, damn, I missed you, dude. You know? [00:16:29] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, it does. It does. Like, I used. I did like it when I first Started stealing those from my sister when I was, like, 15. [00:16:38] Speaker B: I liked. [00:16:39] Speaker A: I liked the. And then something turned. [00:16:41] Speaker B: Dude, you gotta get back on the horse. [00:16:44] Speaker A: What? [00:16:44] Speaker B: You gotta get back on that horse. Like, if you do have a cigarette, I'm telling you, man, like, own that back. Take it back from those bad thoughts and be like, this is going to be nice. Just on a stressful day. On a really stressful day. Just one. And a light one. Don't do heavy men. [00:17:01] Speaker A: Just one. Just one. There's just one. [00:17:03] Speaker B: But, like, a light menthol. Not a heavy menthol. That. That will. That'll unease your stomach. But a light menthol. You're like, dude, okay, I can see how you guys do this. You know, go with Newport. It's kind of like in between Cigarette menthol. [00:17:15] Speaker A: No, I don't know if I could. Well, what I was saying was I've ripped the filters off of those a few times, and they do not hold together. Like, you better be ready to sp. Tobacco out of your lip the whole time you're smoking that motherfucker and it's gross. But when we first moved here. So here's how. Here's the white trash situation I was in. My wife had been applying to jobs when we still lived in Orange county. And she. She did an interview two months before we moved out here and never heard back. We moved out and we're like, okay, we got some money saved up. We're going to be okay for a couple months. Let's take our time looking for jobs. Let's fix up the apartment. Let's do, you know, let's hang out. Let's go out to lunch. Let's have fun. Let's, you know, explore the city. She. A week after we moved in, she got a call back from that place. She got the job. She had to start working, like, a week after we moved here. And I still didn't have a job. So I'm home alone all day watching Cops. And I. And I started. I started buying cigarettes. And it got to the point it started out where it was like, I just have one or two in the afternoon. I take a shower. She doesn't even know. She doesn't even smell it. And then I told her. I told her about it. And then it was like, for the first time because, like, I never told my family that I smoked cigarettes. And it wasn't like I was an adult. It didn't matter. I just didn't like it. I didn't want them to know. So I was living alone for the first time ever. And I could just rip a heater anytime I wanted. And it literally went from like, I have one in the afternoon just to spice up the day while I'm alone, to I say I walk my wife out every morning at 8, and I have one when I walk her out. And then, what is it, 10:30 already? All right, let's have another one. And then literally when I quit, I only smoked cigarettes for maybe two months. When I quit, we. I was timing them so I was like, okay, I can only have one every so often so that I wean myself off. We were watching all the Jaws movies I was watching. I had a cigarette before we started Jaws 4. Halfway through Jaws 4, I was sweating. I was like, holy shit, when is this movie over? I have to get outside and have a cigarette. It was awful, dude. That was one of the most painful nicotine withdrawals of my life. But it was way worse when I switched to the vape because it was the salt nick, which is even more concentrated. 50 milligram salt Nick vape juice. And I was ripping it all day. Like I lived in Vegas in the 80s. It was constant. When I. I went cold turkey for the most part, I think I had to hit it like maybe once every two hours. It was the worst pain I've been in in my life, dude. I was going. I was going insane. Like, I understand why people like withdrawing from drugs have to get strapped to the bed. [00:20:35] Speaker B: All right? [00:20:36] Speaker A: Because I was. You're nuts. [00:20:37] Speaker B: You're not comforting at all. Because I'm like, here I am like, hey, after tonight. [00:20:41] Speaker A: Oh, I'm sorry. I shouldn't have been that. [00:20:44] Speaker B: Boy, oh, boy, I shouldn't have done that. [00:20:47] Speaker A: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's different. It's different. There's no way. It's not black. Black and miles are not going to be as bad. So when you've got the pipe tobacco. [00:20:54] Speaker B: Filters, will you say you break filters? Smoke cigarettes like that on. On menthols or crushes? Bat smoke those, like non filtered pyramids. Pyramids. Oh, my gosh. I fell in love with those things. [00:21:08] Speaker A: Oh, that, that if I start smoking again, which I think after tonight, I'm gonna. After we've talked about it so much. I'm doing American spirits. That's my relapse cigarette. [00:21:21] Speaker B: I have a couple things to say. Give me, give me it for a second, man. Are you gonna be dead? Bat would give like. Bat would give us like a Camel non filter or a marble red non filter. It was like the high dollar pack. Those taste good. However, a pyramid in the morning with a Red Bull or hot coffee, depending on what it is. Those mornings were great, dude. Those were, those were good mornings for sure. [00:21:52] Speaker A: I gotta say. I gotta say. His cigarettes were probably my favorite to bum because of. For that reason, he was the only person I knew who smoked unfiltered. It wasn't until years later. Yeah, dude, years later. Smoked American spirits unfiltered. [00:22:12] Speaker B: This is where I need the floor. How much time are you devoting to smoking? Yeah, to smoke an American spirit. It's like a two, two hour process. [00:22:22] Speaker A: No, it's, it's an eight or nine minute cigarette. It's a good burn, which is another. [00:22:26] Speaker B: Reason it's up there in the 15. Google that. Yeah, Google that. [00:22:31] Speaker A: Okay, that's worth it. [00:22:31] Speaker B: What's the average burn? [00:22:32] Speaker A: Google that. [00:22:34] Speaker B: Yeah, dude, they're, they're like synonymous with like the 30 minute cigarette, bro. I can't do them for that reason. [00:22:43] Speaker A: That's what I want. [00:22:44] Speaker B: That's, that's a lot of. [00:22:45] Speaker A: I only need one people around. [00:22:47] Speaker B: That's a lot of commitment. You get someone conversation with you and you got a 20 minute burner. I mean, you're like, I don't want to talk to this dude. I don't want to talk to this dude. But I'm trying to be polite. You know, you get stuck at the, the, the loading dock. I don't know where you smoke, but dude, you get stuck. [00:23:05] Speaker A: There's surprisingly, surprisingly the little, the little courtyard outside of our break room. They allow smoking out there, but only like three or four people. Yeah, there's three or four people in the building that smoke throughout the day. But I've never smoked out there. [00:23:21] Speaker B: But I bet they all know each other's shit out there and talk. I don't want to talk. [00:23:26] Speaker A: 7, 7 minutes, 35 seconds. [00:23:31] Speaker B: Average burn for an American spirit. [00:23:34] Speaker A: Yeah, so I mean if you're, if you're making a meal out of it, nine, ten minutes for sure. [00:23:43] Speaker B: I'm against them though, bro. What are they? I don't know where they are there, but they're like 12 bucks here for a pack. [00:23:50] Speaker A: You know what I was smoking Camel Blues. That was my, my go to choice. And they were only a dollar or two cheaper here. I mean they were still probably 8.50 a pack. So. I mean, American spirits are probably about the same. Oh, it's one thing, dude. Stuff like that is actually more expensive here. I don't know about cigarettes. I don't have the exact figures. But liquor is way more expensive here. I used to buy. Yeah, it's like sin taxes and import costs and stuff because we're not right on the water, like California. So, like, I used to buy three bottles of Jim Beam for 21 bucks at Ralph's. That was the deal. It was like 10 bucks a bottle or three for 21. So I used to buy three for 21. That bottle. That same bottle is like 20 bucks here. [00:24:47] Speaker B: That's actually pretty funny that you. You knew that deal like. Like that. You were like. That is my go to. That was my go to. Tuesday night. [00:24:56] Speaker A: I had a problem. I had a problem for sure. I. I didn't realize it till I cleaned out my bedroom. It was. It was late. It was like, during the holidays of 2018. I would probably buy three bottles a week. [00:25:12] Speaker B: No. [00:25:12] Speaker A: And I would. I would go straight home after work. I'd sit in bed, watch tv, and drink straight out of a bottle until I fell asleep. And then I'd wake up around eight or nine and maybe take a shower and go back to sleep. [00:25:27] Speaker B: Are you living at home at this time? [00:25:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:30] Speaker B: Are we doing work on your house at all? [00:25:34] Speaker A: No. No, you were gone already. You were in Arizona. That's why. That's why I was depressed. Yeah. My friends. [00:25:42] Speaker B: I've had that effect. Don't get me wrong. Like, I get it. It's a thing. [00:25:46] Speaker A: I mean, it's usually on women, but I get it. [00:25:49] Speaker B: Yeah. I've had some males, too, that. Are they just persistent? They think, you know, start a podcast. Maybe that's my way in. So anyhow. No, man, I get it. [00:26:17] Speaker A: Oh, man. So maybe. I don't know. I. My. My wife would not be stoked. She has a weird enabler streak. [00:26:28] Speaker B: Yeah, but what. Oh, that. That's dangerous, by the way. But what made you, like, it was cleaning out your room. You realized, like, I have a problem. Like, it was seeing the evidence. [00:26:38] Speaker A: There were. I. I don't remember exactly, but I cleaned out because, I mean, my whole room was just clothes and trash. [00:26:46] Speaker B: Were you putting candles and shit in them and shit like that? Were you making decorations? [00:26:51] Speaker A: No. No. I would empty a bottle and then I didn't want. I was conscious enough of it to not want to pile them all up in the trash and have my dad see it, because I know he would. You know, he's thought I was an alcoholic since I was 18, so, like, I didn't want to cross that bridge. So I would just, like, put up. I didn't want to encourage down Yeah. I didn't want him to, like, try to force his 12th step stuff on me. So I would just, like, put them on the floor next to my bed. When I finished a bottle, I would just put them on the floor next to my bed. And then, like, okay, you know, I need some walking space. So I would kind of, you know, sweep them over to the other end, and then some clothes would get piled on them or whatever, so they're all out of sight. But then I cleaned my whole room, and I found, like, 15 empty bottles in there, and I was like, this is only from, like, a month. Like, this is. This is insane. What was I doing? And it was actually the flu. I got the flu over New Year's, and I just couldn't drink while I was that sick, and. And I. Like, I was sick until early 2019, and I went back to work, and I just wasn't drinking anymore. But, yeah, I was in a. I was in a rough way. [00:28:10] Speaker B: Damn. [00:28:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:16] Speaker B: Did you have pain? Did you. So did you have anybody around you that knew this truth? Like, was there a male influence in your life that you were like, hey, look, like, this is kind of where I'm at right now. [00:28:29] Speaker A: I told my pastor, here's the complicated thing, so. [00:28:35] Speaker B: Mm. [00:28:36] Speaker A: In this. That summer, I quit drinking, and I made the mistake of being a little too loud about it. I didn't, like, go right out and tell everyone, but, like, all of my friends from church, we all drank. We all had three or four of our members, worked at a bar in Rancho, so that's where we hung out. You know, if you went over to the pastor's house, it was cigars and whiskey. So it was just. There was a lot of booze around, and so people noticed when I said, like, I'm good, you know? And, like, I think probably the first time I turned down a drink, it was like, what's going on? Why aren't you having a drink? And so I wasn't gonna lie, but I remember I. There was this situation. I've never told you about this, but it wasn't a big deal. It was. It was gonna get hurt. [00:29:27] Speaker B: No one's gonna get hurt, okay? [00:29:29] Speaker A: It was at the height of the MeToo moment. Okay? I got drunk with this chick, and we ended up making out, and that's it. We just made out. And the next day, she's giving me the cold shoulder. She's not talking to me like, what's up? What's going on? And then she just unloads on me. Like, I was Completely wasted, and you took advantage of me and yada, yada, all this stuff. So she made me feel really bad about it. I. Retrospectively, she was literally the one that was like, hey, we should make out. And I was like, hell, yeah, let's. Let's do that. So it wasn't. It wasn't my fault. She. She was a lot drunker than I was. [00:30:11] Speaker B: Do I know this individual? [00:30:14] Speaker A: No. But I brought her up recently as the one whose personality I was a little embarrassed of. So, like, I never brought her around friends. [00:30:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:23] Speaker A: So, yeah, yeah, now you're seeing why. So I. I had been drinking a lot since my. My recent breakup, and so then this happened, and I was like, you know what? On the off chance that I'm not perceiving it the way that it really happened, maybe there's something to be explored here. And then I heard Matt Skiba from Alkaline Trio talk about quitting drinking. And he was like, you know, the coolest thing about not drinking anymore is just knowing that I'm never going to wake up hungover again. And I was like, I really liked hearing that. And I was, like, really into skateboarding, and I was dieting and going to the gym every day, and it just made sense. Like, I'm just going to cut this out for a little while, just see how I like it. And then I, like, gave bottles of booze to my friends. I was like, hey, I got this bottle of Lagavulin. You want it? I don't need it anymore. You know, Like, I just. I went way too overboard with making a thing about it. And so people kind of knew that I had been dry over the summer. So then there were a few questions when I started drinking again. [00:31:38] Speaker B: Hey. People were like, if I make an announcement before service. [00:31:48] Speaker A: I like to think. I like to think that he was in the middle of saying something, and I was like, hey, just one second, one second. Hey. Hey, give me a. Give me a minute. Hey, give me that microphone. I want to thank you all for coming. I want to thank you all for coming to Chris's house tonight. So I remember there was a conversation of, like, so you. You know, you're. You're having a drink again, and you think that's okay? And I was like, yeah, you know, I feel good about it. And they're like, okay, so, you know, as long as you're sure, you know, because, like, when someone has to quit drinking, yeah, it's. It's kind of a different thing when they start drinking again, you know, so, yeah, but yeah, I was pretty much offline, man. I wasn't going out and doing a lot with people, so I don't think a lot of people noticed. Oh, you know what? Realized there was something going on. I went to house, brought a bottle of whiskey, because that's what we do. And he was like, cool, you know, let's, let's crack open the whiskey. We'll have a little whiskey before dinner. And we, we were smoking some weed, and I poured him a little bit of whiskey, and then I just kept the bottle because that's how I drink it. So I'm just slamming this bottle back, and it's like 5:30. And I smoked more weed than I've ever smoked in my life. And I realized, you know what? I don't think I've eaten anything today. And then I got home with the pizza and I, I, I got up to get pizza and I'm like, I got my plate. I'm like, waiting for other people to get their pizza and just goes, hey, give me your plate. Go. Go sit down on the couch. And I was like, all right. I'm like, not feeling great because I'm super high. [00:33:47] Speaker B: Hey, return to is like, m. So the other is Jay. [00:33:55] Speaker A: I'm not on a podcast right now. I'm just talking to my friend. I know, but I have no boundaries. I know. So Em tells me to go sit down on the couch. And once I sit down on the couch, I'm like, having a problem. I'm like, okay, yeah, something's up here. And I start to just like, fall asleep and wake up and fall asleep and wake up. And Em is standing right in front of me with a bottle of vitamin water. And he goes, hey, bud. Hey, bud, I need you to drink this, okay? You're going kind of pale. And so I drink that and I fall asleep until like, four in the morning on their couch. And you've probably experienced this if you smoked too much weed. There's like a moment where you can't talk or move properly. And I was like, trying to sit up and like, scream for help. And I was just sitting up with my eyes closed, and they were all laughing at me. But I was like, inside, I was like, hey, guys, I think I'm dying. Could you, could you please help me? So after, after that night, he, he got wise that I might have had a little drinking problem. But that wasn't long before I, I quit again. [00:35:14] Speaker B: So that's crazy, man. Like, to be honest, I've never, I've never struggled with, with Substance like nicotine. Like, for drinking. I could come home, have a drink and just enjoy maybe cooking a meal or something, and then that's kind of it for the night. Sometimes I'll have a couple beers. Usually at home, it's a glass of wine or like a glass of old fashioned or something like that. But once I kind of see something kind of dictating my. My life, I'm kind of like, okay, I have to put regulations and boundaries on this thing. And so, like, I've been fortunate enough for alcohol not to ever be that struggle. It was my dad's struggle for sure. Like, my dad struggled with like, dude, put down a 30 pack of Bud Light tonight and then go to work the next day and, like, expect you to show up after you. Come on, man. But that's what they did. But like, that was also like, that's how people paid people in the past, bro. Like, hey, guys, you pour this foot in. I want to buy everybody a pack of beer. You make happen a day, I'll buy everybody, you know, pack of beer. [00:36:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:36] Speaker B: Like, people are like, yeah. And you would drink at lunchtime, you'd have a beer at lunch. You know, I didn't live those days, but I witnessed them, you know, like, that's how my dad, My dad was. So it was kind of like just something I never wanted to. Like. You see the, the. The Dr. Jekyll and the Mr. Hyde or whatever it is. You see the, like, normal guy that functions at work and he's kind of kick ass. And then you see, like, that guy kind of fall apart, you know, and it's kind of like, oh, okay, like he's home now and he's already in his buzz mode, you know? I mean, like, the night's only gonna get. He's, you know, he's drinking while he's driving. Like, that's cool. Like, I got. I got the truck, I got the secrets. Like, you just got to drive the speed limit. And that's just how it was. But so I never wanted to be like that, addicted to something where it was like, ooh. However, like, nicotine. That's something. Like, I. I enjoy it, bro. [00:37:40] Speaker A: I'm not going to lie. [00:37:42] Speaker B: I enjoy the. [00:37:43] Speaker A: And it's good for you. [00:37:45] Speaker B: I don't even feel it. Sometimes I do and I get dizzy and I'm like, whoa. Like the first black and mild in the morning. Who. Sometimes it makes me like, you know, weak in the knees, bro. Like, I'm like, whoa, this is this a lot. Okay, maybe I'll Just chew on this for a little bit. Like, it's. Now I can't even have them. That's going to suck. [00:38:07] Speaker A: No, no, no. Again, you've got the pipe tobacco ones, so I don't think those are as strong as the regular ones. [00:38:14] Speaker B: That is what a black and mild is, bro. Is that really regular ones? [00:38:18] Speaker A: Yeah, Seward used to have the. The pipe tobacco ones, and they were different than the ones I smoked. [00:38:27] Speaker B: Are you smoking Swisher Sweets? [00:38:30] Speaker A: Yes, but I had regular black and miles, too. [00:38:34] Speaker B: With the wood tip or the plastic tip? [00:38:39] Speaker A: Wood. [00:38:41] Speaker B: Same one as the plastic tip. It's just a wood tip. But then they have jazz, but they only make black. And Mile really only makes a, like, pipe tobacco and cigar form line. [00:38:51] Speaker A: Really? I thought they were distinctive, huh? [00:38:55] Speaker B: No, man, no, they just. They just range in flavor. [00:39:02] Speaker A: One of my relapses was on a cruise ship. My. My cousin was smoking Marlboro Black, and I think they were new at the time. And I was like, God, I gotta get something. So we stopped in Alaska and I went to the liquor store and I was just like, okay, I don't want my family seeing me with a pack of cigarettes, but I can sell cigarillos. Like, I can sell that as, like, I'm on a cruise. I'm having a good time, you know? So I got a five pack or a ten or two five packs of the Swisher Sweets. And by the. By the second day of that, it was like, is it time yet? Like, let's head out to the lido deck and have a cigar, man. I mean, what are we doing? It's just did. It took no time at all. [00:39:48] Speaker B: It's becoming that for me, like, people, people, like, I walk around with a black Kamal in my mouth all day at work. Anytime I'm outside the trailer, I'm chewing on it. Or sometimes I'll hit it a couple times, put it out. But I'm mostly chewing on it, like, walking around with it. [00:40:06] Speaker A: You got the wood tips? [00:40:08] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:40:08] Speaker A: Ah, those are so great, dude. You can. You can chew on those and get the flavor. That's so. Oh, I love them. [00:40:15] Speaker B: Yeah. I swear they coat the wood with something because you come back to that same one, like, I don't know, three days later, and it tastes just like wood. It don't taste flavorful anymore, dude. [00:40:28] Speaker A: One time in Vegas, I was sharing a room with my sister and her boyfriend, and. Yeah, well, it wasn't up to me, but, yep, that's what happened. And I was like. I was 19 and I was like, again, I'm around my family, so I'm not going to get a pack of cigarettes and just. I'm not going to blow heaters, but I can. I can get a cigar. And, like, no one's going to. [00:40:51] Speaker B: Let me ask you, man. There's a lot of this real quick. A lot of I'm not going to do. So around my family, is it an image thing or is it like a hiding thing? [00:41:01] Speaker A: It's both. When my sister got caught smoking cigarettes when she was 18, I thought they were gonna kick her out of the house. They were furious with her. But a cigar is kind of a different thing. So I just, by the way, finally got caught in my late twenties living out here with my wife. My mom was cleaning out my room back in California, and she was like, hey, you know, what do you want me to do with this? What do you want me to do with that? Oh, there's this metal box we found out of your bed. Like, what do you want me to do with that? And I was like, I don't know what's. What's even in it. She's like, I don't know. I haven't opened it. And I was like, fucking open it. Tell me what's in there. And she was like. And she. She opens it and I hear it just go, really? She. Oh, for the bleeps. She said my first and middle name. And she shows me on FaceTime. She shows me, it's just a bunch of empty cigarette boxes and, like, a little tin that I kept, like, Lucy's in and, like, like, individual cigarettes that I stole from my sister, because that's how I got them. Forever was I would just steal one or two from her whenever. And she goes, oh, seriously? And I was like, mom, those are 15 years old. And I wasn't lying. Those were, like, probably from when I was 15. And she was like, well, do you want them? And I was like. I was like, no, they're 15 years old. So I think that finally. [00:42:36] Speaker B: Wine. Mom. [00:42:39] Speaker A: They don't age like cigars. I think the whistle was finally blown on that long after I moved out. So I don't think it would be the same thing today. I think I could have a cigarette. And they've always been, like, more enabling. [00:42:54] Speaker B: Your mom. [00:42:55] Speaker A: No. Well, off cigars and pipes and stuff, but never a cigarette. [00:43:00] Speaker B: You kind of elevated it. You kind of, like, tried to elevate it. Like, hey, I could do this, but. Because I remember smoking with you throughout the years, like, having a cigarette with you. [00:43:10] Speaker A: Yeah. And it was always like, hey, you're not. Don't tell my dad about this. You know, like, it was very much like that pedophile talk, where it'd be like, hey, you know, like, you'll get in trouble too, you know. Dude, I don't know if you even. I don't. I don't know if you even remember this incident. Hopefully you do. Oh, man, it was gay. [00:43:41] Speaker B: I kind of felt that when you said, I don't know if you remember this incident. [00:43:45] Speaker A: Oh, no, no, no. It's not related to the pedophile thing. It's vaping. So I was vaping a lot with you, and it was like right around the time you moved into my parents house, started renting a house from my parents. My parents, rather. And. And when we were working on the house and like we had the moving van and stuff, like, I would hit your vape, like in front of my dad and it's like, well, that's. That's Calvin's favor. Or. What's your name tonight? Hobbs? Your Hobbs? [00:44:15] Speaker B: No, I'm Solomon. [00:44:16] Speaker A: I was like, solomon. I was like, that's Solomon's vape. Like, I'm just taking a hit in the moving truck. It doesn't count, you know? And. And I remember my dad kind of like after, like the 10th time I hit it, he was like, hey, you know, I don't know if I want you doing that all the time. I was like, okay, okay, okay, cool, whatever. My mom started to catch on that I had a vape because I was vaping in my room constantly. And so I guess she could smell it outside a little better than I thought she could. And she starts. She went up and down the hall, like throughout the night. And every time she passed my room, she'd bang on my door and be like, hey, quit smoking that thing in there. And I'm just like, damn, bitch, be cool, like, doing anything. And then like, the third time she did that, quit smoking that thing in there, my dad's like, what's he smoking? What's going on in there? And she's like, he's got one of those vapey things in there. And he's like, what, he doesn't have one of those? What's going on? Yada yada. He, bro, he barges into my room. I hide it, which is like, I'm 20, I shouldn't have to do this. But I hid it from him because. And at that point, real quick, do. [00:45:26] Speaker B: You remember old school, where he's like, I don't know what to believe. Now she's like, I still love you. I just see you doing that like your dad. What are you smoking? Nothing. Dead big old cloud. [00:45:44] Speaker A: Exactly. But at this point, I'm like, I'm not too worried about the vapes because it's kind of a novelty. It was like a new technology. I could kind of sell again. I could kind of sell, like, the novelty. I could even tell them there's no nicotine in it. [00:45:57] Speaker B: You know, you tell them it's healthy. [00:45:59] Speaker A: Yeah, it's got celery juice in it. So. So I. I hit it. And at that point, it's not even, like, hiding that from my parents. It's just like, hey, I'm in your house doing something you don't want me to do in my room. So, like, just because you're fired up right now, I'm gonna hide this. I don't want you knowing about this. So I wasn't, like, that committed to hiding the vape, but, like, in this scenario, I had to. And so he's like, do you have a vape in here? And I was like, no. What A vape? You said, is it with a V? [00:46:40] Speaker B: V as in Victor. [00:46:44] Speaker A: And. And he goes, well, that's. I don't. I don't want you doing that. I'm gonna call. I'm gonna call Solomon. I'm gonna call Solomon and see if you have a favor. And he called you. He called you like you were my ne'er do well high school friend or something. And if I remember correctly, you were like, I don't know. I mean, like, maybe. [00:47:12] Speaker B: What'd he tell you? [00:47:16] Speaker A: What did he say already? I'll. I'll decide what I want to say. So, yeah, I was. I remember the next time I saw you after that, I was like, so that was weird, right? I mean, like, you don't think any less of me after that, right? That was just an old man being crazy, right? [00:47:42] Speaker B: Damn, dude. I gotta stop smoking black and miles now, bro. [00:47:45] Speaker A: Nah, I'm kind of. [00:47:48] Speaker B: I'm kind of. I'm kind of thinking about one, like, right. Every couple seconds. I'm like, black and mild, man. Dude, if I get a heart attack, that's. That's no good, dude. No good for me. [00:48:01] Speaker A: You going to the doctor? [00:48:03] Speaker B: Hell, no, I'm not going to a doctor right now. [00:48:07] Speaker A: Well, check your blood pressure. [00:48:10] Speaker B: So I have this friend who. Yes, I was going to tell you. I have a friend. His blood pressure, he doesn't test well, but his blood pressure. [00:48:20] Speaker A: Is it me talking about me? [00:48:26] Speaker B: It's off the hinges. Right. But it's normal when he's at home, however, could be the caffeine. So he had. He cut coffee out of his life. Get this. His wife, she used to be a barista. [00:48:42] Speaker A: That's like living with a drug dealer. I just love, by the way, I love how that has caught on as, like, the joke about her. She was a college professor, but all you ever talk about is how she was a barista. [00:49:05] Speaker B: I do, and I don't know why, actually, because you've said that before. And I was like, dang. I was listening back to it, and I was like, oh, he did say that. [00:49:18] Speaker A: Let me ask you this. So as recently as 2019, when I visited you guys in Arizona, I was. I was ripping heaters, and I remember you. You had one and number two came outside and you tossed it in the ashtray real quick, which tipped me off you were still kind of not telling the kids. [00:49:43] Speaker B: So I was in hiding just as you were, bro. [00:49:46] Speaker A: I. I've always wondered, like, obviously it's not like a permissions thing. It's like, you know, there's just certain people I don't want knowing this, you know? So, like, is that a similar thing with you or what? [00:50:03] Speaker B: Yeah. No, like with cigarettes. Yeah. I don't like, really anybody seeing me smoke cigarettes outside of work. Even at work, there's. To me, there's a stigma to it. I'll still do it when no one's around, like, with whoever I bum a cigarette from. If it's, like, secluded, I don't. Or like, maybe the crew shows up and their leads having a cigarette. And I'll say, can I get one of those? But I don't necessarily do it in front of, like, clients, bosses. I don't know. I just, like, I. I do want a certain. I do shield certain people from seeing that. Now it's going to be easy because I really don't want to. Heart attack. [00:50:51] Speaker A: I shouldn't have gone off like that. I'm sorry. [00:50:54] Speaker B: Scared the health out of me. But then again, I feel like I got to do a winging system after talking to you. I mean, I got to, like, I got to have, like, a support system in place. I got to have maybe, you know what I mean? Like, maybe somebody I could call. They can, I don't know, shoot some nicotine in my butt cheek or something. [00:51:10] Speaker A: Something supervised use. [00:51:14] Speaker B: Yeah, dude. [00:51:15] Speaker A: My favorite. My favorite was when we went on the men's retreat together. You, me and Ben drove up in your car, and I had my Mom. I had my mom drop me off at your house so that we could drive together. And we both had a pack of cigarettes. And every time, first of all, we had cigarettes in our mouths as soon as we backed out of your driveway. And every time we lit a cigarette, we would go. Road trip. It was just our thing. We just. [00:51:49] Speaker B: But, dude, check it out. Even there, we kind of hid smoking from sir. Like, we would go off and smoke out. Out in the driveway. [00:51:58] Speaker A: Yeah, I was doing it, like, at the side of the house. And I remember the only time we were doing it on the patio, there was like, smoke, seven people smoking. So it's kind of like, ah, you know, like we can kind of fly undercover here, you know? Yeah, that was the retreat, actually. That told me about. About the Black and Milds and how they almost killed him. But I think that was an excuse because he ate like. [00:52:22] Speaker B: Well, it's really cool that he shared that with you and not the group. I think that's kind of pertinent information. I would like to have known where it jumped. Dude. I was listening back to our older ones to kind of like, proof. Proof. Listen to them. I cough a lot in some of these. Sometimes I even. Sometimes I even breathe heavy. I'm like, man, dude, like, you should stop smoking. So this is just more confirmation. Stop smoking. I guess maybe we'll. [00:53:02] Speaker A: We'll meet in the middle. I'll start smoking a little bit more and you can cut back a little bit. [00:53:08] Speaker B: You know, mom always said no one like a quitter. [00:53:10] Speaker A: Mm, that's true. If I. If I have to drive back and forth to California a couple times, I'm definitely getting American spirits for that drive. [00:53:25] Speaker B: Are you really? You're smoking your car? Are you smoking? [00:53:28] Speaker A: I will. No, not right now, but I will. How can I take a 22 hour road trip? [00:53:36] Speaker B: Definitely talking about your trip to California. That's when I buy a vape, bro. Just for that trip. [00:53:43] Speaker A: Nah, it's too much. It's too addictive. [00:53:48] Speaker B: Yeah, I can see that. But, dude, American spirits, like, not only that, that's gonna break you in. Hear me out. Yeah, you're excited here. My neighbor downstairs, I used to bum cigarettes from them American spirits all the time. It is a. It is a good cigarette, but it's not the best tasting cigarette. Sometimes I want the chemicals, I think. You know what I mean? Yeah, Sometimes I think I'm used to. [00:54:20] Speaker A: It, you know, they're in there for a reason. They add to the flavor. [00:54:24] Speaker B: Flavor, Hello. I think it's really a Turkish blend. You Know what I mean? They rolled that stuff up in Turkey and sent it here. Get out of here. [00:54:38] Speaker A: Yeah. At the nuclear plant. Yeah. [00:54:41] Speaker B: Rolled in Raleigh, North Carolina. But yeah, still, I like it, you know? [00:54:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:55] Speaker B: So you just got a lot of phases of your life. I think the most important thing, though, that we discussed tonight was we tend to hide things, we tend to keep things. Because I did the same thing you did in the sense of. With my daughters. Like, you know, you go and you wash your hands, you wash your face, you know, like, you make sure you do. Rubbing alcohol is the best. Like not rubbing alcohol, but hand sanitizer. [00:55:24] Speaker A: Yep. [00:55:24] Speaker B: Put a little bit of that on. Follow with some lotion, though, and on your. [00:55:29] Speaker A: On your lips, too, and in your mustache. That helps a lot. Dryer sheets. Rub a dryer sheet on your shirt. Take that smell right out. Wear one rubber glove. [00:55:44] Speaker B: Dude, I've done the glove. [00:55:46] Speaker A: Literally. Literally. [00:55:47] Speaker B: I have. [00:55:47] Speaker A: Literally. I had a box of rubber gloves in my truck so that on my way to work every morning, I could smoke with my rubber gloved hand out the window. Luckily, I smoke left handed. And then I would hit hand sanitizer and a dryer sheet and some gum before I went in. And no one ever knew I did. [00:56:09] Speaker B: Very similar stuff because I had. I was doing construction. I always had those, like latex gloves and it was the same thing. It's easier. Takes us. There's no smell. You know what I mean? Like, you fight the smell. All you have to worry about is your mouth. You know what I mean? Which hand sanitizer works great for. [00:56:29] Speaker A: Yep. [00:56:30] Speaker B: And then. Yeah, I've never done the dryer sheets, but I always was very cautious of the way the wind blew. [00:56:38] Speaker A: Yep. [00:56:39] Speaker B: I always, always made sure it was going downwind for me so I could just. And sometimes, yeah, I probably looked weird sitting on the side of the road outside my car with a black glove on, you know, smoking a cigarette. But I didn't care, you know, I. [00:56:51] Speaker A: Mean, you know, where I went on my lunch breaks was. I think it was Portola. It was okay if you're making the left to your old house, if you just keep going straight, you know how it dead ends there. I would park at that dead end and smoke there and then go to the coffee shop for the rest of my lunch break. It's a good spot. [00:57:19] Speaker B: Yeah, it is. It is actually. It is a good spot. Yeah. I was thinking more also, because I did do that there. I don't know if I even smoked there. I think I quit smoking there. I think that's when we started vaping more. [00:57:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:57:36] Speaker B: There were tornadoes and hurricanes on my poker table. [00:57:42] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah. You were definitely vaping at that house because Jay was still there and he was all into it. Oh, man. He had that way into was a problem, dude. He had that big. That silver bullet thing that you push the button on the bottom. So those are made for, like, 2 milligram vape juice because they hit so hard. So one night at T's house, we started putting 24 milligrams juice on it. You would. Your breath would be taken away, and you'd be lucky to stay off the floor. It was like one of those where you take it and you go down and you just like, try to breathe for a few seconds. It was nuts, dude. Spinning. Spinning. It's no wonder it changed my brain forever for that chemical, man. [00:58:41] Speaker B: The stuff we put into our bodies. [00:58:44] Speaker A: Yep. [00:58:46] Speaker B: What do you think's gonna happen with this whole RFK thing, man? Like, do you think we're going to become a healthier society? [00:58:55] Speaker A: I don't think he. I don't. I don't know if he plans to start banning certain chemicals or anything. I know that's kind of been the joke is that, like, we're not gonna have soda soon and stuff. But I don't. I don't think he's said that he wants to ban it. I think he wants to do studies on it and make people more aware of, like, how bad all this stuff is. So I can see us being more informed and maybe, you know, through social pressure, companies start to make healthier, healthier products, you know, like, not that there really can be a healthy soda, but, you know, I'm not aspartame for the day. Huh? [00:59:40] Speaker B: I'm glad I bought a 30 pack of the day. Yeah, they're Minis, but still, you know, I got something. [00:59:47] Speaker A: When they go away, they're not gonna go away. They've got too much power. But I think companies better than the government companies do respond to social pressure. So if there was. If we were all more aware of how bad aspartame is, I think the soda companies would jump on that and start making it with something else so that, you know, they wouldn't be under that kind of pressure. So that's the most I can hope for, man. [01:00:22] Speaker B: That's what makes it good, bro. What are you doing? What are you guys doing? You trying to take all the good ingredients, all the stuff that makes Coke Coke? [01:00:34] Speaker A: Well, I mean, I mean, like, there's still cigarettes, but, like, now a lot More people know how bad they are for you. And that was really just propaganda. Not that it wasn't true. It was just, you know, like, we took them out of movies. We stopped letting people do it inside. You know, all these restrictions were put on it. And then people just fly on a. [01:00:57] Speaker B: Plane and have a cigarette. [01:00:59] Speaker A: No, I'm 31 years old, but I wish. I wish I lived in that time. [01:01:07] Speaker B: I remember walking into Denny's, and you have a cigarette in a certain section that I love. [01:01:15] Speaker A: Denny's. Dude, if I could smoke in a Denny's, I might not leave. I might just stay there. It's got everything I need, though. [01:01:26] Speaker B: California banned smoking in restaurants. I remember taking a trip to Kentucky to help someone move. And we passed through Arizona, and I walked in the bathrooms. There was a dude smoking at the urinal. [01:01:44] Speaker A: Yes. [01:01:44] Speaker B: And I was like, damn right. I was like, I have to light up a cigarette. Yeah, MP right now. This is pretty exciting. [01:01:55] Speaker A: Yep, it was. [01:01:56] Speaker B: It was an exciting moment, for sure. I stopped and lit up just for that piss. Like, that was a special lit. Lit right there. [01:02:03] Speaker A: Yep. I. I've probably only smoked in casinos. I don't think I've ever smoked inside any. Oh, you know what? When Jay and I went on that road trip that one time, we did stay in a smoking room in a motel. It must have literally been the last time you could do that. I think it was literally two years later that they. They stopped allowing that. But there were still smoking rooms, and we stayed. [01:02:38] Speaker B: Was that. Was that the gay road trip? [01:02:41] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. But not in San Francisco. It was. I don't know where we stopped, because we. We tried to stop in Pismo on our way back down. And you had to be 21 to rent a hotel room in Pismo, and we were both 20, so we had to keep going south to get to the next towns where they didn't have that rule. And then wherever that happened to be, we stopped at that Motel 6. They said smoking or non smoking, and we were like, holy shit. Smoking? Yeah. Like, I didn't even know that was an option. And so, yeah, we smoked five stars about. Literally, I would take that shitty room over the nicest hotel I've ever stayed in in my life because you could smoke in there. That was just a luxury that. Ah, man, I stole the ashtray too. I think I still have it. [01:03:34] Speaker B: You have to. You have to always take something. Like, I got a hand towel from Hassiempa in. In Prescott, man. Like, it was just a cool weekend with my daughter, and I Was like, I'm taking the wine glass and I got to protect it with the hand towel and. [01:03:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:03:49] Speaker B: You know, this wine glass I drink from. [01:03:53] Speaker A: Yeah, man. [01:03:54] Speaker B: In this actual show. So little nice. [01:03:58] Speaker A: I mean, little, Little Easter egg there. So we meant, we meant to talk about. We meant to talk about phases in life and we've kind of touched on. [01:04:10] Speaker B: Yeah, but you've talked about some and there are other ones. I mean, I think there's definitely certain phases. Like, I remember a phase sccrsm, where if I, no matter what I said, whether it was biblical or not, my age was counted against me. And so you have that phase of trying to figure out how to dispense information and be received. You know what I mean? Like, there's definitely an old guard. So you kind of have to start like, figuring out, I don't know, man. There's a phase of just, I think, a struggle with who you are. I think there's always going to be something against you. Maybe not. But whether it's mental health or. Or just, I think people struggle with who they are in general. And I think that is a lot of what our problem is. [01:05:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:07] Speaker B: So I think there's different phases where you start to be more comfortable with yourself. Like at 40, I'm like, you come to a point of like, there's no. You don't settle for bs and not that you have to confront it in a dickhead way, but you also don't stand for. For it because you're just kind of like, ah, I've heard that story before. Or, ah, don't give a. It has nothing to do with my project or, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, I don't want to be the bearer of bad news, but I'll say it in a polite way of like. Like, help me figure out how this makes sense. I don't know. [01:05:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:43] Speaker B: So I think there's that phase in my life, maybe. I don't know. Where are you at? Do you have that? [01:05:50] Speaker A: I noticed. But I noticed that start around 25, and that is when your brain is like, fully developed. And I think that's why a lot of people start to really become themselves at that age. And that was actually around the time that I was having that drinking problem and all those depressive episodes, as you remember, man, one day a switch flipped and it was just like, if something upset a pastor, it was like, all right, well, later he won't be upset. Like, I don't know what to tell you, man. And, you know, it was easy. [01:06:31] Speaker B: You always were like that, though, even when you were younger. [01:06:34] Speaker A: It bummed me out when the pastors were upset at me for sure. [01:06:38] Speaker B: Really? [01:06:39] Speaker A: Yeah. I couldn't act like it bummed me out, but it did. But then, you know, also, at 25, I finally had a pastor who wasn't that way. So, like, that was probably part of it, but I remember. [01:06:55] Speaker B: I'll show you the picture I have for you when you're in my phone. I'll send it to you sometime, but go on. [01:07:00] Speaker A: Okay. [01:07:02] Speaker B: You have a full head of hair. [01:07:06] Speaker A: I miss it because you're talking about. [01:07:08] Speaker B: Being 25 and I'm like, oh, I remember that. Young Nick. [01:07:12] Speaker A: I was. I was already pretty bald at that point. Were you? Yeah, I think actually I started shaving my head at 26. [01:07:21] Speaker B: You weren't bald when you came out here, were you? [01:07:24] Speaker A: No, I had hair, but I was balding for sure. [01:07:28] Speaker B: I think I remember that. [01:07:30] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, I think. I think I remember some. Some kind of dead animal ball on top of your head. [01:07:40] Speaker B: I think I remember thinking like, oh, this poor guy's gonna keep it. [01:07:48] Speaker A: Nope, nope, I shaved it. Yeah. There was around that time this epic Facebook blowup where I put a picture of myself up that said the word Calvinist on it. [01:08:05] Speaker B: And I remember this, who I was. [01:08:09] Speaker A: Just talking about, he flipped out and we got into like an eight hour long back and forth on this picture. And that day I had three different pastors from my church hit me up and basically tell me, who's JB? [01:08:27] Speaker B: What's JB's position? [01:08:30] Speaker A: JB? Oh, not Calvinist, like, very, very anti. [01:08:35] Speaker B: But what's his position in the church? [01:08:37] Speaker A: Oh, he was just attending there. Actually, no, I don't even think he was going there anymore. I don't think he was at Reverence anymore. [01:08:45] Speaker B: Okay, so now you have three pastors and this guy's not even a pastor. Okay. [01:08:49] Speaker A: No, no, no. I was just having the argument with him. Three pastors are upset that I'm having this argument on a public photo. And it was like my boss and jp, literally. JP drove to meet me on my lunch break so we could talk about it. And then I was getting a million texts from Ko, by the way. Turned out Sherry ran into him at Disneyland that day. He was distracted from her because he was texting me. So he's at Disneyland with his kids and he's distracted texting me about how I shouldn't be having these kinds of arguments. And like, basically their whole thing was like, I'm like, misrepresenting Calvinism by having this kind of undignified argument on a public forum. But every once in a while, I'll read back on those comments, and, like, most of what I said was a Bible verse. Yeah. I didn't even really argue that much. He would just say something, and then I'd be like, okay, what about this Bible verse? And then he'd start saying other things that I'm not saying, and I'd be like, all right, sure, but what about this Bible verse? That was most of the conversation, but they just had a lot of baggage with that stuff. And, like, they had had a lot of people in their church before that, like, really turned people off of it by being abrasive. So they were really sensitive to it. But I just remember, like, them coming at me, like, it. And it was one of the first times that, like, I upset all the pastors, which was not the first time, but, like, it was the first time that I reacted with, like, well, it happened. So, you know, hit me up. When you're not upset, I guess I don't know what to tell you to. [01:10:37] Speaker B: For once on the right, you know where to find me. [01:10:40] Speaker A: Yeah. I remember when my boss said something about it, he was like, hey, so that picture yesterday. And I was like, buddy, I already had this conversation a lot, if you want to save it. And he's like, okay, I won't really come at you for that. But, I mean, you were at work the whole time you were having this conversation. So, like, I will say. I will say it's crazy that you're commenting back and forth all day at work. I was like, I'm on Facebook for my job. I mean, it's not. It's not like I can really ignore it. It's right there on the screen. He had a point, maybe. But, yeah. So anyways, there. There does come a point in life when you really stop caring what other people think. Not in a bad way. In a healthy way, I think. [01:11:37] Speaker B: Yeah, it's definitely in a healthier way. Like you. [01:11:39] Speaker A: Yeah, you. [01:11:41] Speaker B: And I also think there's a phase where you start to look at people. Like, for me to hear my co worker talk about some of his. Hear him talk about female. Sometimes I'm kind of like, ooh, like, I can't put it past you, that you're not just some crazy. You know what I mean? Like, I can't put it. I don't know. Like, I don't know what you're capable of. You just don't know what people are even capable of you anymore, you know? Yeah, you tend to see more negative in people. Not so much see it, but I can imagine it, you know? I mean, I don't just look at anybody anymore and think, oh, that's enough. That's a. That's a right on, dude. No, I'm gonna imagine you doing the worst and being like, okay, I can't put it past you, because I don't know. [01:12:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:12:27] Speaker B: You know? [01:12:28] Speaker A: Yeah, because, like, once you're exposed to that, you now know that's possible, and you're more cautious of stuff like that. Yeah, I've always had a problem with, like, pining for the good old days, you know, like, even. Even just talking now. Like, hanging out at your house and, like, old days at Master's Plan and, like, just vaping in your garage and stuff. I mean, like, those were good days. I mean, there was plenty of, like, not good stuff going on. Like, we had a lot of fun, you know? And I think about those times, and, like, I miss them, but you go in and out of so many phases by the time you're my age that you start to just sort of recognize that, like, yeah, nothing's really forever, and you just. You get better at, like, appreciating the time you're in and not trying to go back and not trying to jump forward, not trying to be older, you know? Yeah. There's a quote from the Office that always really stuck with me. [01:13:37] Speaker B: It's in the last episode how the turntables. [01:13:41] Speaker A: But no, it's actually profound. It's. They're wrapping up the documentary, and. And Ed Helms character is like, I just wish you could know that you're in the good old days before you've actually left them. It's like, damn, dude. That's exactly how I feel. Like, I'm never all that stoked on the current, but then once it's over, I'm like, ah, I wish I could go back to that, you know? Like, even. Even old CCRSM days were cool, you know, at times. I mean, I'm sure I'm only remembering the good stuff. [01:14:13] Speaker B: But no, but no, that's a good thing to have those. Only memory, the good stuff. Like, the negative stuff don't really matter. And that's honestly, like. Like, if I want to buy some. Like, if I want to buy someone a special gift, I'm gonna buy them an experience somewhere they can make a memory with someone, you know? I mean, like, concert tickets or, like, you know, something. Like, something where you could go take someone and have a moment with them. I Think that's like, I don't know, man. Not that I try and live every day like that, but going to work, loving what you do, or just having a different look on life and being like, okay, like, like I really want to just go in. Like, it's like when I go out at bars, if someone looks like there, there's a problem, I just want to go, like, extinguish it right away. Let's put down all, you know, all, all walls and defense. Like, let's enjoy ourselves tonight. Let's dance, let's drink up, let's be merry. You know what I mean? Like, you know, can I buy you a drink, dude? Like, you know, I really want to engage with people just on a. I don't know, man. I just enjoy it. I just enjoy people. I think people are awesome. [01:15:19] Speaker A: Yeah. And sometimes, I mean, I think people go one of two ways. I think people can either become way more cynical as they get older or they can become way more positive. And I think, you know, you recognize when there's a 90 year old who's just pissed at how things turned out, you know, because they're just not happy about anything. They're just. They're at Ralph's and they don't know how the scanner works and they're just being rude to the clerks and it's just like, dude, what went so wrong that you can't just appreciate the fact that you're not supposed to be here anymore and yet your heart's still beating? You know what I mean? And I, you know, maybe it'll happen to me, but I. I find the opposite. I find that the older I get, the more positive I'm. I am, the happier I am generally. And it's like, I think I have way, like, worse lows now, but my highs are way, way higher. Some call it bipolar. I think I am, like, able to step outside of a situation and, like, see the good in it and appreciate that, like, nothing is too hard if you've got breath in your lungs and a fucking heartbeat, you know, it's just. It's a good world, all things told, really. I mean, there's sin and there's murder and there's terrible things, but it's still, it's still a good life. [01:16:54] Speaker B: There's still good people out there, like, that you meet in genuinely and not necessarily, like, even in the Christian sphere of saying, like, well, there's good. There's good Christians. No, no, no. There's genuinely people out there that are genuinely good. Like, they care about Something greater than themselves. You know what I mean? Like, they care about or something lesser than themselves. You know, like, they actually genuinely give time and effort to certain causes and certain things that mean well to them. And people like you meet throughout your day that, like, they have similar passions. Like, my PM opened to me up. Opened up to me today. Like, I didn't ask him to. Like, he's my client, and he was telling me kind of like some. Some intimate stuff about him and his wife. And I'm not talking about, like, sexually intimate, like, what they're currently struggling with. And when was the last time they smashed and. And I'm like, wow. And I'm like, so what? What's going on? He's like, dude, it's just been nuts. He's like, you know, like, I caught her a year ago, like, you know, kind of sending nudes to a dude and talking to him, and I was out. But then she got, like, liver disease. [01:18:05] Speaker A: And this is everything about you, Kathleen. I can't even divorce you without it being about you. [01:18:19] Speaker B: So he's like, dude, it's just been. It's just been a rough week. And I'm like, wow, dude. Like, that's. That's. That's. That's nuts, you know, like that. [01:18:28] Speaker A: Yeah. I think you and I are always getting people, like, really opening up to us in ways that are kind of inappropriate. [01:18:39] Speaker B: Yeah. Especially for a work atmosphere. Like, we're in his cubicle, bro. Yeah. He's just like, yeah, dude. Like, you know, and he's just talking to me, and I'm like, he's let me listen to his beats and stuff. He's. He. [01:18:52] Speaker A: He. [01:18:52] Speaker B: He produced a song. [01:18:54] Speaker A: Oh, nice. [01:18:55] Speaker B: Yeah. I was like, no way. He's like, yeah. I was like, so why you do this? He goes, cuz, like, that's a really hard business to get your beats sold in. Like, it's really hard to, like, just make beats and try and sell them to artists. There's not a lot of money in it unless you're really, really known and good. And I was like, ah, makes sense. [01:19:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:19:14] Speaker B: But, yeah, I don't know, man. I. I think when it comes to life phases, like, there has to be a breaking point where you're just like, yeah, don't give a. No more. No matter what age you are. Like, there comes a point in someone's life where they're like, I just don't give a. And it's not that you act it like, you don't go to work. Like, yeah, whatever, Bob. Don't give a. You know, you're like, nah, it's, you know, you do your job. You know what your, you know, your job is? Yeah. And you're not afraid to have boundaries and say, hey, that is either you your job, or, hey, I need some assistance, or, hey, why? Because I'm over here handling. You know what I mean? So said, oh, get off my back. That's why they call him the Godfather. You know what I mean? [01:20:02] Speaker A: There is this great. [01:20:04] Speaker B: Mitch Martin. [01:20:06] Speaker A: Did you ever watch BoJack Horseman? [01:20:11] Speaker B: Yeah, I did parts of it. Yeah. [01:20:13] Speaker A: Did you ever see this one? So Aaron Paul from Breaking Bad did the voice of, like, the stoner guy, and he gets cast in a. He's, like, working on a commercial, like, as a grip, and then the star, like, gets sick and can't be in the commercial, so they just put him in the commercial, and he calls his agent. He's like, hey, so, change of plans. I'm starring in the commercial. Don't worry, I'm not gonna let it go to my head. Hey, who told that he could sit in my chair? [01:20:46] Speaker B: Who's the voice? [01:20:48] Speaker A: Aaron Paul from. He was Jesse Pinkman on Breaking Bad. That show is so great. I wish my wife would watch an animated show because there's so many good ones she's missing out on. [01:21:04] Speaker B: She refused. Okay, what's some. What's some animated shows that you. Would you get into? [01:21:08] Speaker A: American dad is my all time. You don't. You don't understand me if you don't watch American Dad. It's core to my identity, and then. [01:21:22] Speaker B: I love your identity. I'm kind of curious. [01:21:25] Speaker A: It's just the. [01:21:26] Speaker B: I haven't seen it. I've only seen, like, clips. [01:21:28] Speaker A: If you. Yeah, if you pull up a compilation of Roger the Alien, you'll get me better. You know what I mean? It's just everything, you know, it's kind of a character that was already me when I found him, but then I just became more him throughout life, you know, And I'll quote the show, like, because it's just so ingrained in my head and my wife doesn't know what I'm talking about, so she'll get, like, offended by something I say, and then I have to be like, it's a. It's a thing. You won't watch it. So, like, you don't understand it. Yes, kind of. [01:22:06] Speaker B: But, like, just explain myself. You. It's already ruined. [01:22:11] Speaker A: Sometimes. Sometimes she'll come home from grocery shopping and I'll, like, poke through the bags. I'll be like, where are the pecan Sandies? She's like, what? And I was like, pretty sure I asked for pean Sandies. And. And instead of just realizing, like, oh, he's quoting something, he's being stupid or something, she'll be like, well, you never told me anything about these pecans any. What do you want me to do about it? And it's like, yeah, just watch the show. It's my favorite thing ever. Yeah. So that south park is huge for me. That is the smartest show that's ever been made. And, yeah. American dad. BoJack Horseman. BoJack Horseman was, like, a good drama. Like, there were parts of that show that were, like, legitimately, like, amazing character stories. [01:23:09] Speaker B: Why isn't that your number one thing? Because you've talked about it a couple times already. Why isn't your number one over. Over American Dad? [01:23:16] Speaker A: It's probably top 10. [01:23:19] Speaker B: But American Dad's your number one. [01:23:21] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, but American Dad's, like, not a serious show. [01:23:26] Speaker B: It's. [01:23:27] Speaker A: You know, it was way. It was the same creator as Family Guy, but it was a way smarter show than Family Guy. Like, there were actual plots and stuff. It wasn't just, like, cutaways and just random humor. They were like, you know, it was a smarter show and just funny, man. The first, like, five seasons are just gold. [01:23:48] Speaker B: All right, which one do you prefer I watch? BoJack or American Dad? [01:23:55] Speaker A: Depends on what kind of mood you're in, man. Do you want to be depressed? [01:23:58] Speaker B: Hey, I'm feeling froggy. I want to jump. What are we doing? [01:24:03] Speaker A: If you. If you want a good character story that's, like, pretty off the wall but could actually depress you, then, like, BoJack Horseman is your. Is your thing. But if you just want a good laugh, American dad is where it's at for sure. [01:24:17] Speaker B: All right, all right. Maybe I'll check one out. [01:24:20] Speaker A: Yeah. And South Park. South Park. [01:24:23] Speaker B: Going. Going season or go in, like, chronological order or what? [01:24:27] Speaker A: I'd. I'd hop in on season two. Like, season one's fine, but it's. They didn't really, like, catch the lightning in the bottle till season two, and then, like, two through five is, like, really where. That's what you think of when you think of American Dad. That's. That's the show. [01:24:44] Speaker B: Damn, dude. [01:24:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:24:46] Speaker B: You know it. You know it. [01:24:48] Speaker A: I've watched those. Those first six or seven seasons. I've probably seen 20, 25 times. [01:24:55] Speaker B: Yeah. All right. [01:24:58] Speaker A: Yeah. I even. I even. Just last year, I tried to watch through all the more recent stuff that I hadn't seen seen. And I got up to, like, 20, 21. Still pretty freaking funny. Like, way funnier than I expected it to be 20 years into its run. [01:25:15] Speaker B: All right, all right, so check this out. Have you seen Taxi? [01:25:21] Speaker A: No. The sitcom show? [01:25:24] Speaker B: Yeah, the show from, like, the 70s, 80s now. Gotta watch it. You gotta watch it. [01:25:30] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [01:25:31] Speaker B: Hulu. [01:25:32] Speaker A: Yes, yes. The only one I have. [01:25:35] Speaker B: Yeah, watch Taxi, dude. All right, so I took this little journey where I was like, you know what? I'm gonna watch the stuff my parents watch to see if they actually understand my humor. Like, to see if, like, what they really could, you know, I remember booze and buddies and stuff like that. So I'm looking for, like, older stuff. Can't do mash. I know MASH was, like, hilarious. Everybody said MASH was great. But how do you get past the first. The. The song is depressing, dude. Their intro music is so depressing. [01:26:07] Speaker A: It's a weird choice for the tone of the show. [01:26:15] Speaker B: Like, dude, you make it just sound like I'm. I'm about to watch General Hospital or something. I'm not doing this. So then I stumble across Taxi. Hill Street Blues. No good. Like, as far as Detective Show. Don't watch that. It's horrible. So I watch. I watch Taxi. So many stars started in taxi. [01:26:38] Speaker A: Wasn't Danny DeVito. Yeah. And what's his name? Yeah, the guy who died. Jim Carrey played him in a movie. [01:26:50] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:26:51] Speaker A: Andy Kaufman. Andy Kaufman, yeah. [01:26:56] Speaker B: Tony Danza. [01:26:58] Speaker A: No way. Really? [01:27:00] Speaker B: Yeah. And this one. This one. This dude. This dude made the show season two as well. He came at the end of season one, realized he was like a hit. He's all in season two and all on Christopher Lloyd. [01:27:18] Speaker A: No, I didn't know he was on that show. [01:27:21] Speaker B: Yeah, dude, he plays like a meth head. Like Taxi Driver. [01:27:25] Speaker A: That's awesome, dude. [01:27:28] Speaker B: It's hilarious. It was so racist. They. They, like, you don't get certain episodes in some of the seasons. Like, it goes from like five to seven, and you're like, oh, they said some racist stuff in N6. [01:27:39] Speaker A: That's sucks. I have to thank. [01:27:43] Speaker B: Yeah, let me know if you do. Dude, bootleg them to me. [01:27:46] Speaker A: They had to do that with funny, hilarious Danny DeVito. [01:27:49] Speaker B: Did I say Pearl? Pearl. [01:27:52] Speaker A: Pearlman. [01:27:52] Speaker B: Pearl, yeah. Ria Pearlman was in there. [01:27:54] Speaker A: Yeah. Cheers, dude. Did you like Cheers? [01:27:59] Speaker B: Oh, my parents were so into Cheers. It's like. It's like those Camel Crush to you, you know? [01:28:08] Speaker A: Okay, for sure. [01:28:09] Speaker B: When I watch Cheers, I'm like, man, this show, you know, I'm just kind of like. I do try and watch it. [01:28:16] Speaker A: I was big on Nick at night when I was a kid. I would stay up late and watch Nick at night. I watched, like, Three's Company and Happy Days and all those shows. And a couple years ago, we had Paramount plus, and I watched through, like, four or five seasons of Cheers, and, man, it holds up like that. The reason remained a classic was because, like, you watch Three's Company, it's the same fucking plot. It's just they. He's pretending to be gay. They're making fun of gays. There's a misunderstanding. Someone overhears something they don't understand, and then, you know, shenanigans. Cheers. You can tell they had small, smart writers on there. They're. They're making. They're making jokes about the two different denominations of Lutheranism. And, like, only because I. I knew that fact did I catch on to what the joke was. Like. They're not even, like, calling out that it's a joke because it's just. Just, you know, it's just part of the script. And if you don't know, you don't know. And they're just, you know, moving past it. And it does have. [01:29:23] Speaker B: It has great writers. I think the show is. Is a great show. I just like. Yeah, I've been that bar too many times. [01:29:31] Speaker A: My favorite quote from. From that show is, he's like a Freudian slip is when you say one thing, but you meant to say your mother. I love that. [01:29:50] Speaker B: Pretty good. Yeah. Oh, you know. You want to know what another classic is? [01:29:56] Speaker A: Yes. [01:29:57] Speaker B: Golden Girls. [01:29:58] Speaker A: Oh, I love Golden Girls, dude. [01:30:00] Speaker B: Yes, Golden Girls is hilarious, dude. [01:30:02] Speaker A: Little known fact, one of those writers went on to create Arrested Development. So again. [01:30:09] Speaker B: Oh, dude, I think we've had this conversation. I can't get behind Arrested Development. [01:30:13] Speaker A: Ah, man, that. That. Now I'll take that title away from south park and I'll say Arrested Development is the smartest show that's ever been made. [01:30:23] Speaker B: Really? I felt like a lot of it was kind of what I call foreseen humor. Like, I know that joke is coming already. Yep, there it is. It was there. [01:30:32] Speaker A: There's some of that. And then, like, if you get to the end of the first run, like the first three seasons, there's some revelations that are like, oh, so those 50 things are now a joke because you didn't know what was going on. Like, there was. I can't really tell you without ruining it, but you're probably not going to watch it. [01:30:55] Speaker B: I don't Care. Yeah, yeah. [01:30:56] Speaker A: Charlize. Charlize Theron has a six episode run on this show. And she's like this very, like, kind of quirky, like, cute chick that the main character falls in love with. What you don't know is that she's got some kind of secret. And every time he leaves the scene, she has some kind of talk like she's spying on the family. So she's like kind of going undercover with the family. So it turns out at the end of like episode five or whatever, she's. So she's playing this quirky dream girl who's also kind of a spy, but. But it turns out both of those things are just because she's retarded. So. So you watch back on five episodes and everything you thought was a reference to her spying on the family is her just being retarded. And so it just. It takes time for things to pay off, but it's just. Yeah, when it pays off, it really, really pays off. [01:32:03] Speaker B: Wow. You, You. So you invest three seasons worth and then you get the payoff, the first payload. [01:32:09] Speaker A: No, no, I think there's payoffs throughout, but yeah, there. And. And like, also just a lot of humor that, like, you couldn't do today. Obviously any. Anything more than 10 years ago, you couldn't do today, but there's one, like, David Cross's character is an understudy for the Blue Man Group. He's an understudy, so he's not always gonna get the call, but he has to be in the blue paint in case he gets the call. So. So the mom comes over and she's like, you have to. You have to get me a security guard for, for my house. I went into my kitchen and there was a colored man in my kitchen. Like, what color was he? Blue. He was blue. It's just good stuff like that. I don't know. There's also a lot of incest humor. You don't see that on every show. [01:33:11] Speaker B: Yeah, Yeah. I don't know, man. I couldn't. I couldn't get behind it. But I love Jason Bateman. [01:33:16] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. And that is the most. [01:33:19] Speaker B: Probably one of my favorite movies. [01:33:21] Speaker A: You showed me that movie. That's a great movie. But like that, that show is the most Jason Bateman of all of the Jason Bateman roles. Like, they're, they're all just kind of pointing back to that character, you know, Horrible bosses. Yeah, yeah. Bad words. [01:33:40] Speaker B: So great. [01:33:41] Speaker A: I love bad words. So why don't you turn your curry hole around before I tell the pilot your Bag is ticking. [01:33:50] Speaker B: Dude. I just watched it like, maybe. Maybe a month ago. Yeah, somebody else hadn't seen it. I was like, you guys haven't seen Bad Words yet? They're like, no. I was like, we're putting it on. [01:34:01] Speaker A: Yeah, I have it on dvd because every time I try to watch it, it's on a different streaming service. And I just want to know that I can watch it whenever I want to watch it. [01:34:11] Speaker B: Dude, I bought Superbox. [01:34:13] Speaker A: Oh, yeah? [01:34:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, you get. You get all the movies on, no matter what platform they're on. But the only shitty part is like, each super box is so much money, so it's like, it's not like you could buy. It's not like you have a smart TV in every room, you know, I mean, now you're like, oh, I gotta take this box to every room, bedroom, living room, or buy two boxes. So it's. But you get pay per view stuff. You get all the fights, you get all the football, basketball games, baseball games. [01:34:45] Speaker A: We have a jailbroken Android TV so we can watch all the live stuff, but the movies don't have subtitles, so you gotta really crank it. And we watched. Talk to Me, Talk To Me, I think was the movie. This horror movie, fantastic horror movie, but it's Australian and we couldn't understand a word anyone was saying. There was no caption. [01:35:16] Speaker B: So this. This Superbox has had three good movies. In French. Yeah, we try to watch Batman Lego the other night and it comes on in French. [01:35:29] Speaker A: God, the French are useless. But baseball. Get to watch baseball. [01:35:40] Speaker B: And they got 24, seven cops. [01:35:45] Speaker A: So kind of. You're kind of losing money if you don't. [01:35:53] Speaker B: Dude, I'm telling you, man, it took out all the commercials. It's just one after another. [01:35:58] Speaker A: You're like one after another. Look, you're not trying to sell me a box right now, are you? Do you have an extra one you're trying to unload? It's just. I'm telling you, you think you're going to see a commercial, you are sorely mistaken. There is not a damn commercial. Picture yourself watching Cops with a glass of red wine. [01:36:28] Speaker B: Oh, man. Yeah, I don't know, dude. I wrote down, as far as phases go, man, I wrote down as notes, like, definitely the BS phase. But so for. For. I think a way to enjoy whatever phase you're in, honestly, is to embrace it. Whatever phase, wherever you're at, you know, whether. Whether you're in, like the younger phase where you. You tend to think you know it all. I thought I Knew it all when I was younger, you know, and then you kind of hear older people. And again, I get why people view you when you're under 30 is like, okay, calm down, big fella. But at the same time, like, you take what you have and if you could like kind of direct it somewhere and focus it somewhere, I think you can shoot for future phases. I think you could dictate, I guess, your future phases. You know what I mean? [01:37:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:37:32] Speaker B: Like whether it's how you view the world, how you're handling your finances, what you're doing for work, where you're, where you, what are you trying to do career wise, whatever it is, you can kind of dictate future phases of yourself, I think. [01:37:46] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, definitely set yourself up for them better and like put yourself more in a mindset of accepting it and, and acknowledging it. That's also another thing is you don't realize you're in a phase until you're out of it and you kind of see where one phase started and ended, you know? [01:38:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:38:09] Speaker A: Like right now we're, you know, getting ready to sell the house and we're going to move back to Orange county. And it's like I'm going to look back on this five year period as like the time that I lived in Oklahoma and, you know, haven't enjoyed too much of it, if I'm being honest. But like, I'm going to look back, I'm going to look back on it and be like, wow, I guess some. [01:38:32] Speaker B: Bitterness behind these, like, just to let everybody know, like, I've lived here five years, haven't seen shit outside my blog. [01:38:43] Speaker A: And that's my fault. That's my fault. I think we could have had a killer life here if we had money. But you know, just like we couldn't get out and do anything. We couldn't enjoy any of it. So, you know, but like, I'll look back on this time as like, oh, the time we had our own place, the time we had our first house together. You know, our kid was born, you know, we found stray cats and stole them and adopted them, you know, and like there's all sorts of cool things that happen and I feel like I'm not gonna remember all that good stuff until it's all kind of passed and then I'll kind of look. Even tornado warnings, I'm sure. [01:39:24] Speaker B: What, what phase of life do you think you're in as far as like your, I don't know whether it's personal growth or just staying in one spot. Like what what, what part of what phase would you say you're in currently? [01:39:37] Speaker A: I've. For a long time, since we made the decision to move back, we've been in this weird spot where like, you know, this is not permanent, but you're kind of forced to stay in it, which is like always hard. It's always hard when you're at a job that you know you're leaving soon. [01:39:57] Speaker B: Let me re. Ask this. What phase were those five years that you just. [01:40:01] Speaker A: Right. [01:40:02] Speaker B: So detail about? [01:40:03] Speaker A: So my, my point in that was that like, since we made the decision to move, I've thought of this period that we were out here as like just this kind of interlude. You know what I mean? It's like my whole life was in Orange county and it feels like, what's. [01:40:20] Speaker B: This on the album before? [01:40:22] Speaker A: Yeah, kind of. Kind of. And it just, it just feels like I'm gonna get back to Orange county more or less gonna pick up my life back up where it was, except better because I've got a wife and kid now. And then I'm kind of going to look at the five years in Oklahoma. It's like, well, that was stupid. Really, really wish I hadn't done that. But you know, just looking back on it, it's like it was pointless to be this far away from family and friends and not capitalize on the most important part of being out here, which is the lower cost of living, you know. [01:41:02] Speaker B: So let me ask you this. I think I went through a similar phase in my life. Like when I had met my first daughter's mom. Like, we packed up and moved to Texas. Like, we were like, we're starting, we're starting a fresh. Do you think that's a phase of like, I gotta, I gotta show some independence and this is how I do it, whether it's subliminal or not. Do you think it's a. Do you think that was part of that five year phase? Like, how it started of like, I'm gonna, like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna make it on my own. [01:41:38] Speaker A: It was, yes, ultimately, yeah. But like, we had to come here because this was the only place we could afford, you know? [01:41:48] Speaker B: Did you guys research that shit? [01:41:50] Speaker A: No. There was really. During the lockdowns, there was two places in this country you wanted to be, and it was either Oklahoma or South Dakota. Those were the only two places that weren't really doing the lockdowns. And I had a cousin here, so I called her up and said, hey, what's it like out there? She said, pretty great. I go to the gym every day. No one's wearing a mask. And I said, okay, we're coming to visit. And then we put in an application for an apartment while we were out there, and we moved a month later. Yeah. [01:42:23] Speaker B: Wow. How's your relationship with your cousin now? [01:42:28] Speaker A: It's good. Yeah. We don't see her too much, but she's, like, 40 minutes away, so it's a little. [01:42:36] Speaker B: Yeah, it makes sense. [01:42:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:42:38] Speaker B: Right on, man. That's a cool little story, though. But. But that. That's your phase. Your phase was. I'm. Why did you want to move out of just affordability out of Orange County? [01:42:50] Speaker A: Well, it was. It was mostly lockdowns for me, but damn. [01:42:55] Speaker B: So you. You. You Covid moved. You were like, oh, yeah. Nah, it wasn't chains on me. [01:43:00] Speaker A: It was July of 2020. [01:43:04] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, it was that. But, like, before I'm getting out, when. [01:43:08] Speaker A: We didn't have jobs anymore because the government just decided we don't have jobs anymore. It was like, oh, so, like, if we were paying two grand a month for a studio apartment right now, we'd be dead. Like, we. We wouldn't make it here at all if this had happened in that situation. You know, we were living with my parents, but it's like, if. [01:43:31] Speaker B: Did you both lose your jobs? [01:43:34] Speaker A: Her coffee shop hours got cut to, like, four hours a week, and she had to wear a mask all day. That made her, like, dizzy and confused. And then, like, everyone was super rude to her when she took it off. [01:43:47] Speaker B: Yeah, I heard she had some pretty rude customers that was. Sit and watch her all day. [01:43:51] Speaker A: Yes, indeed. And then I was a barber, and my. The shop owner I was working with, God bless him, you know, really wanted to rebel against all of it, but ultimately didn't have it in him, so he was trying too hard to follow the rules, and I didn't have a license, so I was like, buddy, you. You can't be raising all this attention when you've got one unlicensed barber working in your shop, you know? So he. He took offense at that and basically told me to piss off. So I was cutting hair out of my kitchen and making, like, 900 bucks a month, maybe just cutting hair for people, which was fine for that situation, but it wasn't going to last. So, I mean, it just really brought. [01:44:36] Speaker B: What was the difference between that and being in a shop? [01:44:40] Speaker A: More expensive haircuts, Customer walking. [01:44:44] Speaker B: No, but how much did. Were you bringing in on average when you were at the shop? [01:44:47] Speaker A: I think my best month there. I made 1200. But I was only there two hours in the evening and then all day on Saturday. So once I went full time, that would have been better money, but it probably still wouldn't have been enough. And that's, like, what the lockdowns really revealed was, like, how expensive Orange county really is and, like, how fucked you can get if you lost your job all of a sudden. So then we just realized, like, well, there's no real future here if we're not making 150 grand a year at least. So, you know, let's think about going somewhere cheaper. And on top of that, let's not have masks anymore. So we did it. I never really meant for it to be this long term of a thing. I thought, you know, we'll do maybe a year, and then maybe we'll try like, Idaho or Arizona or something. [01:45:44] Speaker B: Idaho once. [01:45:46] Speaker A: What? [01:45:47] Speaker B: Idaho once? [01:45:49] Speaker A: Once. [01:45:51] Speaker B: Yeah, once. Idaho. [01:45:57] Speaker A: Stupid. [01:46:02] Speaker B: So you were just like, hey, we'll find another job in Idaho in a year? [01:46:09] Speaker A: Pretty much, yeah. [01:46:10] Speaker B: You just wanted to try it out, see if you liked it or to be like, hey, this is what we're doing. We're gonna. We're gonna stay hop for a little bit. [01:46:17] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, you know, I hadn't really spent much time in Oklahoma, so it was kind of just a Hail Mary of, like, let's get the hell out of lockdowns. And then in a year, we can kind of reassess, like, where we actually want to be. And I always saw myself more in a place probably more like the Northwest, and. But then, you know, she had a really good job by the time our year lease was up on the apartment, so we just stayed and then we got the house. And then before I knew it, it had been five years, and I'd just been living somewhere I didn't want to live for five. Five years, you know, so. [01:46:58] Speaker B: But now you're going back home. [01:47:00] Speaker A: Going back home. [01:47:02] Speaker B: That's gonna be fun. That's gonna be exciting. [01:47:05] Speaker A: Yeah. There's gonna be rough parts of it. You know, there's gonna be five cats in the house. That's rough. [01:47:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:47:14] Speaker A: There's gonna be a baby. [01:47:15] Speaker B: Your sister's there. [01:47:16] Speaker A: Yeah, she's there and she works from home, so. Yeah. Yeah. [01:47:23] Speaker B: So everybody's got their own rooms. Everybody's in their own perspective rooms. [01:47:27] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah. [01:47:28] Speaker B: You don't have. Mind you, my friend, you don't have a great room position for a baby. [01:47:35] Speaker A: Yeah, we haven't decided. [01:47:38] Speaker B: Foot traffic. [01:47:40] Speaker A: Yeah. See, the one and all the noise in the back would probably be the best for her, but then she's right next to the bathroom. [01:47:49] Speaker B: Ooh, Ali's room. [01:47:51] Speaker A: Yeah, I'll bleep it. Whatever. My sister's old room. Yeah. So that is an office now. [01:47:59] Speaker B: So where's your sister at, then? [01:48:00] Speaker A: They live in my old room, and so. [01:48:04] Speaker B: Oh, they took your room? [01:48:05] Speaker A: Yeah. So they're gonna move. [01:48:08] Speaker B: Where's your dad? [01:48:09] Speaker A: He's still in his room, but he's gonna go back in with. [01:48:11] Speaker B: He ain't moving. [01:48:12] Speaker A: No, he is. He's gonna go back in with my mom, and then they're gonna take his room, and then we're gonna have my. My and my old. And my sister's old rooms and decide where the baby's gonna go between them. [01:48:27] Speaker B: But wait, so you get master bedroom? [01:48:30] Speaker A: No, my parents. I'll have the master. [01:48:35] Speaker B: Okay, so who gets your dad's room? [01:48:39] Speaker A: My sister and her boyfriend. [01:48:43] Speaker B: And then you'll decide between what's left over? [01:48:46] Speaker A: Yeah, I really want my old room because there's a better view, but I don't know if that's going to be better or worse for the baby. And it's smaller, too, so I might want the larger room and the bigger closet. [01:49:02] Speaker B: Yeah, you should really let. Oh. A pick for you guys when she gets there. [01:49:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:49:11] Speaker B: Just let her go and be like, hey, yeah, this is the room I want. Solve a lot of arguments. [01:49:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:49:19] Speaker B: You know? [01:49:20] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, I'm fine with that. [01:49:23] Speaker B: Anything that comes back with negative out, like backlash on the baby, not sleeping on it, you'd be like, this is you. You chose it. [01:49:31] Speaker A: Who am I saying that to? [01:49:34] Speaker B: To a. [01:49:36] Speaker A: Which a. My sister or my wife? [01:49:40] Speaker B: Your wife? [01:49:41] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. She didn't really choose it. Yeah, she's. [01:49:45] Speaker B: No, but that's. When you get there, you let her pick the room. You know, It'll matter to you. [01:49:52] Speaker A: Yeah. That's the problem with that house is that it doesn't really matter where you are. Everything is so loud. I mean, you could be in the master bedroom. You could be in my room. [01:50:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:50:04] Speaker A: If someone drops a pin in the front room, you're hearing it everywhere, so. [01:50:10] Speaker B: Not to mention whatever show they're listening to. [01:50:12] Speaker A: Yes. Oh, my God. It was nuts, too. And when they would watch the TV on the other side of my wall, that TV might as well be in the room with me. It's just. It was terrible. But, you know. [01:50:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:50:31] Speaker A: At least we'll be back near the beach, you know? And I think I will look back on this time as the time that I learned how much I loved my home. You Know, like, how much I really loved Orange county because there were certainly things to hate about it when I left, but, like, you know, like, I hate how busy it is, and I hate. You know, I used to hate the weather. Once you've gone through. [01:51:03] Speaker B: Comfortable. It is. [01:51:04] Speaker A: Yes. Dude. Once you've gone through winter and tornado season, you're like, all right, I'll take 90 degrees. That's fine. I can handle 90, you know? [01:51:17] Speaker B: Yeah, you're telling me. [01:51:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:51:19] Speaker B: Every year we're here, they're like, we're breaking records. And I'm like, why are we breaking records? You know? [01:51:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:51:27] Speaker B: 20 days of above 110. It's like, oh, my gosh, dude. [01:51:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:51:32] Speaker B: And I feel like the summer's coming quick this year. [01:51:36] Speaker A: Yeah, we've. We've already had a couple of really sunny, hot days this end of February into this month, so. Yeah. [01:51:53] Speaker B: Do you guys get a lot of snow there? [01:51:57] Speaker A: There'll probably be like six or seven good snow days in the winter. Yeah. Lots of ice. [01:52:05] Speaker B: They call off school? [01:52:08] Speaker A: Not that much sometimes. Yeah, this. This year, they closed the schools for. For almost a week. I had to work from home for almost a week. [01:52:18] Speaker B: That's kind of nice, right? [01:52:20] Speaker A: Not really. Nah. [01:52:22] Speaker B: You'd prefer to drive in snow to work? [01:52:26] Speaker A: Depending on the conditions. Yeah. Yeah. There was. There was one day I went into work and I was the only one in the office. Everyone else chose to stay home. It's like, I got the. I've got this room. This is the only room I can work in because there's cats, there's a baby, there's my wife asking me to do things. There's, like, on the other side of that door, is everything distracting me from work. And the only comfortable place to sit in here is in that bed. So I'm just sitting in bed with a laptop all day. It's not fucking comfortable, you know? And I also don't work super well when I'm here. Like, I'm editing our podcast and listening to Legion of Skanks in between calls and stuff. And I'm not, like, doing my other work. I'm not checking my emails or anything. [01:53:12] Speaker B: You know, when you're at the office, do you find yourself going through people's desk and pin jars? [01:53:20] Speaker A: They're. They're pretty serious about not touching other people's desks, but. [01:53:25] Speaker B: Okay. [01:53:26] Speaker A: Hey, I still do it. Just today, dude. Someone. I'm on the 7:00 shift and this other guy's on the 8, and one of the other 7:00 guys wanted to borrow his scissors. They're like, you think Jacob would mind if I borrowed his scissors? And I was like, no, take them. He's like, now wait. It's like they were literally sitting right there. You could have just taken them, used them, and put them back. You never would have Known. Waited till 8:02 to ask Jacob if he could use his scissors. [01:54:02] Speaker B: J was like, yeah, anytime, dude. You don't have to ask. [01:54:04] Speaker A: Yes. Literally, that's what he said. [01:54:07] Speaker B: There's scissors. [01:54:09] Speaker A: H. Yeah. Anyways, well, we're. We're over time. [01:54:16] Speaker B: Are we really? [01:54:17] Speaker A: Yeah, we've been going almost two hours. [01:54:20] Speaker B: Ah, when times are good, times are good sometimes. [01:54:24] Speaker A: Yeah, we're really hitting our stride. [01:54:26] Speaker B: Creative. I want to let you know you're really creative in telling your stories, bro. [01:54:30] Speaker A: Am I? [01:54:32] Speaker B: Yeah, like, you're hilarious. The way you. You kind of, like, lay things out. You actually. You do a good job of keeping people tagging along. [01:54:41] Speaker A: Yeah, well, you gotta. You gotta focus on what's the reveal, and you can't give that up too early. You gotta think about every piece of the story and make sure that nothing's giving away the punchline too early, you know? [01:54:56] Speaker B: Yeah. No, I appreciate the work. I appreciate the work in that. [01:55:01] Speaker A: Yeah. I told a lot of stories tonight. [01:55:06] Speaker B: It was a good night. I thought it was good. [01:55:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:55:09] Speaker B: I don't know how we touched on phases. I thought phases more or less, like, in a sense of, you know, you got your, like, younger phase where you're just kind of angry at the world, and then you kind of hit a phase of, like. I don't know. I. I think it's like a test of manhood, if you will. Like, I remember when I turned 19, I was like, I'm gonna have a kid. I'm gonna get, you know, a good job at the Marriott. And, you know, I'm gonna move to Colorado and, like, you know, start my family. That's where she's at. And, man, it's like, dude, this sucks, bro. Like, this sucks ass. You know what I mean? [01:55:47] Speaker A: Were you out in Colorado. [01:55:51] Speaker B: In the Vale, which even sucked ass more because it's a resort town, so everything's way expensive and so. But all that to say, like, there was that phase of, like, I'm gonna test my manhood and see, like, you know, where. Where I'm at. Some people, I think, you know, they get very successful. They kind of like it. It drives them. I like family, dude. Like, I enjoy. Not every day, not a. Not an everyday dose, but I do enjoy engaging with family, though, you know, I mean, like, having a good weekend with them. Yeah, that's enjoyable. I could put up for a weekend, but good luck, bro. [01:56:35] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The kid is really, like, showing me the phase thing. What I was trying to articulate earlier is, like, just having more appreciation for, like, where you're at currently and, like, trying to find things to enjoy about it because, like, you know, she's walking, she's almost talking. She's like, there's all these things that are different than just two months ago. And then, you know, two months ago, it was like, oh, yeah, she wasn't doing this. She wasn't doing that. You know, like, she couldn't sit up on her own. You know, all these things. And. And it's like, you can always look back on, like, things that were positive about that, and you can always look forward. Like, I'm really looking forward to when she's, like, five or six and we can really, like, have conversations. [01:57:24] Speaker B: It's so cool. [01:57:25] Speaker A: But, like, I know when she's five or six, I'm going to be missing this time when she was just learning to talk. Like, the magic. [01:57:32] Speaker B: Her feet. Her feet fit in your hand. [01:57:35] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's just, like, the. The mystique of her being able to put a sentence together for the first time, you know? Like, I know that fades. Like, I know I'm not always going to be amazed by that. So, like, I really want to try to enjoy that when it finally happens. You know, she can say two words right now, so it's like, you know, like, it's gonna be really fun watching her put shit together. And then, you know, there's just gonna be other fun stuff on the other. [01:58:04] Speaker B: Side of that, you know, in your phone. She's gonna say words that she thinks, like, you know what she's saying, but if a stranger heard her, he might not hear the same thing. [01:58:19] Speaker A: Mm. [01:58:22] Speaker B: And you should record them in your phone. Like, just whether it's a note or have a recording of her just saying the word. It's so cute, dude. All the words that they. They think they're saying, right? You know, but they're just not. You're just like, dude, like, I don't know, man. Like, my favorite moments right now are riding my bike with. With number four. And, like, look over. And she's just, like, looking, and she's just smiling. She's. Yeah, it's like, almost for. I don't know. It's just. It's moments like that are awesome, dude. [01:58:54] Speaker A: Yeah, dude. When I come. When I come home, she smiles like Chris Farley in that one skit when he's got the Zagat guide and he's the old lady married to Adam Sandler. It's like, you know, that crazy smile. She'll do that, and then, like, I'll. I'll pick her up and she'll just, like, start beating me with her fists on my back because she's just so excited to be out since, like, it's so funny, but it's like, that's gonna end, you know? But, like, don't lament that it ended. Like, we're just moving on to something better, you know? [01:59:32] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, I think part of me is sad that these moments are gonna end, though. You know what I mean? Like, I always ask her, like, when's the day gonna stop holding my hand in public? Like, how old do you think you'll be? She's like, never, dad. Well, actually, probably maybe when I'm 16. You know, look at your older sisters. [01:59:52] Speaker A: The day comes, man. [01:59:53] Speaker B: Yeah, you're already kind of, like, knowing yourself that day is going to come, you know? I mean, like, you already have an age worked out. Put some thought into this. [02:00:05] Speaker A: Yeah, I've. [02:00:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:00:06] Speaker A: I tried to think when she was first born. It didn't last long, but I tried to think, like, all right, get some perspective. You're gonna walk this down an aisle someday and hand her off to someone else. [02:00:21] Speaker B: This. [02:00:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [02:00:23] Speaker B: This whole time. [02:00:26] Speaker A: So, you know. So, like, when you're disciplining her, try to think like you're raising the adult that she's gonna be that day when you watch, you know, like, try to get perspective on it and, like, don't get too attached to, like, the period where she's not sitting up on her own and she can't talk. You know what I mean? Like, I'm trying to not get too settled into things, but, I mean, this is just a really fun phase. We take her to the park every day and put her in the swing, and she just. I am not capable of that level of joy. You know what I mean? [02:01:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:01:06] Speaker A: Yeah. So. [02:01:07] Speaker B: Well, even. Well, even the joy she. Like, the joy of watching that, like, it's. It's almost like one of those things where you try and explain to somebody that doesn't have a child or someone who doesn't even care about the child, they don't. They cannot relate to you. They're kind of like, all right, you're one of those dads. But, yeah, dude, like, that's the payoff at the end of the day is like, for them to actually, like. Like, look over and enjoy it or have it, like. I don't know, man. I just love those moments, though. [02:01:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [02:01:39] Speaker B: Love those moments, dude. [02:01:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [02:01:41] Speaker B: And it's gonna be something new every year as she grows. [02:01:44] Speaker A: Yep. [02:01:44] Speaker B: Different phases. It's gonna be something new. [02:01:46] Speaker A: Yeah. And for anyone listening who doesn't have kids, no one's gonna. No one's gonna tell you this. No one's gonna be honest with you. We don't respect you. And it's not your fault. It's. It's just how it is. You don't get it till you have the kids. But, like, I. There was this funny. I mean, there's always funny pictures of her that I'm showing off at the office, but there was this one. She'd never done this before, but we gave her her phone at the doctors to distract her from her shots, and she held it. [02:02:18] Speaker B: Your daughter's got a phone already? [02:02:20] Speaker A: No, it was just my wife's phone. But we put Ms. Rachel on YouTube just to distract her from the doctor. And she held it with both hands like a tablet. And, like, she was lying on her back, and she held it up and watched it like that for, like, 15 minutes. And she'd never done that before. So we took a bunch of pictures, and it was just funny seeing a tiny little person holding a phone like that. And I showed it to one of my supervisors who doesn't have kids. And, I mean, everyone else laughed at it, but, like, he looked at it like I was showing him a math equation or something. Like, he just. There was just nothing there. He just didn't get what was so great about it. And it's just like, man, I feel bad for people who don't get it, you know? [02:03:04] Speaker B: Why are you showing me pictures of children, man? [02:03:06] Speaker A: Yeah, like, oh, I should start over. This is my kid. This is. This is not just some kid I found. Yeah. There's this one picture. Yeah, I'll. I'll end on this, because it's just funny. It was sun's out, guns out. And we took her to the park, and we were swinging her on the swing, and my wife took this picture of her, and I'm standing behind her, but she's perfectly covering my shorts. So all you see is. Is just a naked man standing behind her on the swing. [02:03:51] Speaker B: Are you topless? [02:03:53] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, man. I just had shorts on. And I decided to go to a public park that way, and. And I got some looks. Yeah, that's. That's another great Arista development scene. David Cross comes home with a rifle in his hands and he goes, boy, I got some looks on the bus because of this guy. [02:04:23] Speaker B: So, hey, man, like, are you comfortable rolling deep like that in public? [02:04:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [02:04:27] Speaker B: When with. I don't know what physique you have, but you're comfortable with your physique enough to be like, this topless. [02:04:33] Speaker A: I'm not as heavy. I'm not at my heaviest. I'm trying to get more tan. I'm trying to get rid of my farmer's tan, so I just have to be shirtless out in the sun a little bit every day to do that. [02:04:48] Speaker B: So public or I'll be back. [02:04:52] Speaker A: That. That day was public. We just. It was just the park in the neighborhood, but. [02:04:59] Speaker B: Ballsy. [02:05:02] Speaker A: I did. I did pass a school bus letting out kids, and I was like, I don't know if this is cool, but I was with my wife and my daughter, so it's just like. I don't think anyone's going to think much of it, but. [02:05:20] Speaker B: All right, man. Well, this has been pseudonyms. I always have fun with you, man. [02:05:24] Speaker A: Me too, man. [02:05:25] Speaker B: Great storyteller, dude. Like, really, you should. You should. You should write a book. [02:05:30] Speaker A: Yeah. You know, what novel idea you got there? All right, goodbye, everyone.