047: I Can Manipulate a Woman

[00:00:00] Speaker A: So like I was saying, man, you look like you got beat up. What happened? [00:00:05] Speaker B: I. You know what I'm wonder. I had one glass of whiskey and I'm wondering if that's doing a little bit of the work here. I am very red, but I was in the sun for like two hours. And while I was, I had a pretty good tan going last year. I have not been in the sun a lot this year and I think that was enough to do me in. [00:00:31] Speaker A: Really. [00:00:32] Speaker B: I don't wear sunscreen, man. I hate it. [00:00:35] Speaker A: It's cancer causing, bro. [00:00:38] Speaker B: It. And so is this. Sure. But you know what? I heard Andrew Huberman say something I've thought for a long time, which is that the sun alone is probably not causing skin cancer. It's probably sun burns. [00:00:56] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:00:57] Speaker B: So like a gradual exposure to sun is probably fin mind. [00:01:01] Speaker A: It's good for you. [00:01:02] Speaker B: They'll say that that's wrong. They. They say it's bad, but I don't, I don't believe that. [00:01:08] Speaker A: No. [00:01:08] Speaker B: It's the source of all life on this planet. How could it be bad? [00:01:12] Speaker A: Well, that and it's the sun. And our bodies, of course, are the only things that produce us a certain vitamin and only those together. It's. You can't get it. You can't like supplement it, [00:01:28] Speaker B: man. And it's not vitamin D, it's something else. [00:01:31] Speaker A: Yeah, it feels good to be back, bro. Right? I thought we were done for, bro. [00:01:40] Speaker B: You did? [00:01:41] Speaker A: Yeah, dude. We just like never really came back to it. I had, I had people asking, are you guys done? [00:01:48] Speaker B: You know, so, so hold on, hold on. Let's. Let's circle back here. You thought the podcast might be done and you didn't even send me a text about it? [00:01:59] Speaker A: Well, it was like, we just kept like, we kept like postpone and postpone and I'm thinking like, yeah, eventually the, the text of like, hey, not gonna make it tonight, or hey, can we? They're just gonna stop. You know, and they kind of did for a while. Like, I think the last two weekends we didn't really reach out to one another and be like, hey, are we doing tonight? Are we gonna do some other night? [00:02:21] Speaker B: You know, what happened, I think last weekend, I think, I don't know if it was last weekend or the one before, but we basically said we would do Saturday at 9. And then I was in the shower at 9 and I realized, oh shit, 9 o' clock Saturday. Like, it's time to do the podcast. And then I was like, wait, he never texted me. I was like, all right, well, if he didn't text me, I guess we're just not gonna do it. [00:02:46] Speaker A: Okay. So that's on both of us, because [00:02:48] Speaker B: it did kind of fizzle out. [00:02:49] Speaker A: I did the same thing. I was. Oh, wait, he didn't text, so guess we're not doing tonight. I did the exact same thing. I was like, okay, yeah. [00:03:01] Speaker B: So. So let's. Let's talk future of the podcast. [00:03:05] Speaker A: I think we need to. For me, I do enjoy it better during the week right now, and I know that kind of thinking the same thing up Miami's stick with me, but I don't give a. Like, you know, like, I'm. I gotta still be me. You know, the birds gotta fly. You know, [00:03:34] Speaker B: I'm a peacock. You gotta let me fly. [00:03:36] Speaker A: You know what I'm saying? [00:03:43] Speaker B: For me, I'm struggling with topics, dude. I. I just feel like when we started the podcast, we had so many good things to talk about, and it's just not coming anymore. [00:03:56] Speaker A: I get that. I get that. Yeah. [00:03:59] Speaker B: I mean, I. I like whatever we talk about, I like. But coming up with the ideas in advance, I'm always going into it. Like, I got. Dude, I. I don't know. Like, you always come with something good, so that works for me. But, like, I. I just struggle, like, on the creative side in preparation. [00:04:23] Speaker A: Yeah. And okay, so I'm not going to lie. I loved number one, being with us on that one. It was. It was just good. Yeah, she made it really easy. She had some good stuff. [00:04:41] Speaker B: Speaking of ending without. Without any sort of communication, she just. She just left us and never even said nothing. [00:04:55] Speaker A: All right, So I got. [00:04:56] Speaker B: I didn't even give me an address to send her last check, you know, [00:05:00] Speaker A: that's why I cashed it. I just deposited in mine. [00:05:06] Speaker B: But you know what? I tried to cash a check for $0 one time, and they wouldn't let me. [00:05:13] Speaker A: Okay, so I got a couple. I got a couple. Well, I'll let you choose from, then. We can roll from there. Okay, so first of all, welcome to the Return of Pseudonyms, everyone. I think it's been. We're back March. Who's the last one? [00:05:30] Speaker B: I mean. Oh, you know what? You know what? I know exactly what it was because it was the day T died. We talked about it on the podcast. It was March 28th. [00:05:40] Speaker A: Hey, is she still single? [00:05:44] Speaker B: His wife? What? [00:05:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:05:52] Speaker B: Yeah, she sure is sweet. [00:05:54] Speaker A: I think I'm gonna connect with her on Instagram. [00:05:57] Speaker B: Swoop in, Johnny. [00:05:59] Speaker A: I just got a lot of baggage, though, huh? How many kids she got, you know, here and there. [00:06:06] Speaker B: She's. She's picked up a few bags along the way. [00:06:09] Speaker A: So this was stuff. [00:06:10] Speaker B: She. She left the airport with a few more bags than she arrived with. [00:06:15] Speaker A: This was the stuff I wanted to say that day. And I was like, nah, don't ask about his wife right now. [00:06:22] Speaker B: All jokes aside. All jokes aside, if. If you were for real, like, if you were single and we were all in the same church or something, and you really were like, it had been years, and you were really, like, saying that, I would say, she's not going to. With you, bro. Like, I don't think you two would be compatible whatsoever. [00:06:42] Speaker A: No, I think I'm a little rougher. I'm too rough for her. She needs a soft guy. Yeah. Like, I'm going to spank her and pull her hair, you know? You know, I. [00:06:53] Speaker B: You know what? I can't speak to that side of her personality because everyone is a little surprising when the lights are off. But, you know, she. She definitely would be highly offended by. By your person. [00:07:08] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. So I do have some. Some ideas. One, why men still won't go to therapy. The stigma is cracking, but not gone. Therapy from your couch online. Mental health is booming for men. Your body is keeping score. Physical symptoms. Men ignore burnout. Epidemic work identity and mental health and man up is killing us. Redefining masculinity in 2026. [00:07:42] Speaker B: I think the first one might be perfect because I won't go to therapy. [00:07:47] Speaker A: Really? [00:07:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:51] Speaker A: Have I. [00:07:51] Speaker B: Have. I thought. I think I. Yeah, we know. You. [00:07:54] Speaker A: You told me. He was like, you just. It was. It was kind of. And I said, that's kind of how I felt when I first went to therapy with number one's mom. I was. She was like, so how does that make you feel? I was like, you're kidding, right? Like, this is what we're doing. [00:08:11] Speaker B: It was. It was sort of like everything compounded. And like, first of all, brother's Internet never worked. So it was just frustrating, like, even trying to connect with him. But on our last session, he. He's. [00:08:29] Speaker A: He. [00:08:30] Speaker B: He had me pick a bunch of topics. Just a bunch of stuff you want to, you know, work through, talk about, whatever. So I picked one. [00:08:36] Speaker A: Okay. [00:08:37] Speaker B: And he's like, okay, so journal about that thing. Just, like, for four straight days, just journal about it and then come to me with some stuff, you know, like memories, experiences, whatever. So I did. And it wasn't easy. Like, I don't open up like that very easily except to, like, people like you. Like, I Know really well. So I shared something, and I didn't know what the. Like, I. I was still new to. It was like, my fourth or fifth session, and I didn't still know how to do the therapy thing, so I just sort of shared a story, and I was like, so that happened. And he's like, okay, well, if you're not gonna, like, open up more, I don't really know if I can help you. I was like, what did I do wrong? And I guess I just, you know, I didn't have much else other than, like, the thing. And so after that, I was just like, before the session even ended, I was like, I'm not doing this again. And then we just sort of ended like, yep, yep, I'll. I'll schedule it as soon as I'm done here. And then ghosted him. [00:09:45] Speaker A: I feel like that should be their [00:09:46] Speaker B: job, not getting anything out of this. [00:09:47] Speaker A: That should be their job when they're like, hey, open up a little bit more. Be like, open me up, bro. You're the dude that knows all the questions. [00:09:54] Speaker B: Don't you know how to manipulate me? And, like, aren't you, you know, like a mind doctor? I did decide if I did go back to therapy, and I think a woman would probably be better for me. [00:10:09] Speaker A: I had both. I had a woman and a male. Like, I went to. I had group one day, woman another day, male another day. And then prior to that, I also had a male and another female that I saw, like, every once a month where the other ones were once a week. Okay. [00:10:33] Speaker B: Did you prefer the woman? [00:10:36] Speaker A: I'm not gonna lie, dude. I think. I honestly think if me and the woman would have met under different circumstances, we would have been like, dude, she just, like, she was talking about how, like, her, like, she was opening up to me, bro, about, like, her current relationship and the struggles of, like, holy. [00:11:02] Speaker B: You are a evil genius. Hold on. Have you seen Tires? [00:11:07] Speaker A: Yes. [00:11:09] Speaker B: Okay, so did you see the second season when Shane's dad. [00:11:12] Speaker A: No, I only saw, like, three episodes. [00:11:16] Speaker B: Okay, well, it's fantastic. Season two is even better. So breakthrough to season two, but I think the actor's name is Thomas Hayden Church. [00:11:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:11:25] Speaker B: On Wings. [00:11:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:11:26] Speaker B: Okay, so he plays Shane's dad in the second season. In the first, and he's like, a really, like, outgoing, like, good personality like Shane, but he's, like, better looking and rich, so he's. He's like a real womanizer. And they're. They're having dinner, and he tells Shane. He's like, the. The waitress is into you, like, make a move with the waitress and he's like, dad, you think every waitress ever has been into you? And he just looks at him and he goes, they were. Shane. It's like, that's. That's how I. That's how I see you. Where it's like, no, no, no. In. In Brooks's case, the stripper actually did love him. [00:12:09] Speaker A: Dude, I'm serious. Like, she was telling me about the infidelity in her therapist, wanted to me in her relationship. [00:12:18] Speaker B: I'm telling you, if you were anyone else, I would say, that's batshit. You need therapy if you think that your therapist was trying to you. But if it's you, I kind of go, yeah, I think maybe she was. [00:12:31] Speaker A: Why. But that's what I'm saying. Why would she start telling me about her relationship and how it's not so good with her, man? And I'm thinking, oh, you want to open up? Like, you wanna. You wanna pursue this with me? Like, honestly? And then I just stopped seeing her. But yeah, but you can also tell [00:12:51] Speaker B: once for ethical reasons. [00:12:53] Speaker A: Well, no, once. [00:12:53] Speaker B: Once I had to stop seeing her for. [00:12:56] Speaker A: For health reasons, bro. Once she started opening up, I'm like, oh, you're a little crazy. Like, you're one of those therapists that are like, you're in. [00:13:09] Speaker B: I think that's how they end up being therapists, dude. I think they're a little. And they. They go to school for it because they're interested in that. [00:13:17] Speaker A: Like, I could see going to her house and, like, there's crystals and stuff. And honestly. Okay, so I was dating a therapist probably about two years ago. Met her at the pool. She's talking about how she's married, talking about, like, how she cheats a lot and stuff. And I'm like, okay, and you're a little crazy. And she's living at the. The apartments because they're kind of separated right now because of her affair and all this. And I'm like, okay. So she ends up calling it off with him, Me and her start hooking up. And, dude, like, she went from, like, being this because, like, she was spontaneous. She'd just be like, yeah, let's do it. I'm like, all right, cool. And then, like, the beginning of our relationship before we started dating, I could tell her anything, and she'd be like, yeah, no, I totally get it. Fast forward. We start, like, seeing each other, not even officially dating. And I was like, yeah, sorry, you know, I didn't call last night. Like, an old friend came over and she's like, oh, really? And I was like, yeah, my friend Veronica. And she's like, oh, okay. So, like, did you guys. And I was like, I'm gonna tell you the absolute truth. We smoked, we drank, we started singing and, like, playing music, and then I woke up naked. I was like, the likelihood that we is highly likely, but I don't remember it. [00:14:45] Speaker B: And dude, she just like, she defense. [00:14:48] Speaker A: Oh, dude, she shut down. She got pissed off. And I was like, we're not even like an. An item. What are you getting all pissed off for? Like, you used to be safe to talk to. Now you're all like. I'm like, that's what I liked about you the most. So I could talk to you. Now we're going to get in a relationship, I'm not going to be able to talk to you because you get all hurt. I was like, yeah, I'm good with that. I'm good with that. Mm. Yeah. But did you know 70% of the men in this world are like you? They have avoid. They avoid mental health help altogether. Like, they would just like, even though suicide and depression is continually rising, they're just like, nah, I'm good. I'm good. So what's the stigma behind it, though? [00:15:33] Speaker B: Maybe it's. [00:15:34] Speaker A: Why is it a weakness? Is it viewed as weakness? Is that part of this demasculinity part is like, well, if I go to therapy, then I'm gonna be considered weak. [00:15:51] Speaker B: I think it is gay in a way. [00:15:54] Speaker A: Okay? And honestly, like, I think that's what most men think is, like, if I go, people are gonna laugh and think I'm. Think I'm gay. Like, think that. Oh, look at this. Weak. I think it looks weak. And gay is weak. So I would agree. [00:16:11] Speaker B: I will say. I will say when I. When I told. When I told my boss, like, hey, I need, you know, like, 15 extra minutes every other Tuesday on my break to do this thing. He did have a moment of like, oh, like, is everything okay? And I was like, yeah, no, it's fine. Just, you know, we get free, you know, web therapy through the health insurance, so I just figured I'd give it a try. [00:16:43] Speaker A: Did your mom die? [00:16:43] Speaker B: He's like, I mean, you could talk to. You could talk to me if there's anything like, nah, dude, I'm good. So I do. I do kind of see why, like, people would feel pressure to not do that and would feel weird about it to other people. I don't think of it like that so much. Like, it is maybe gay. Gay not in the sense of like being lame or anything. It's like vulnerable. [00:17:20] Speaker A: Yeah. And I think that comes with. And I think that I don't like, I think there's a correlation. Honestly, like, this is my big thing. Like when people are like, so, like, why, you know, Cuz now I'm. I got stretch marks and then I got, and then I got the Raider. All right. I'm calling the Raider because he's named after one. And the kids, they're. They're the same age, 22 year olds. And you know, people always ask me like, why, like, what's up with you? And like younger guys? And my whole thing is like, I don't have anything with younger guys. One, two. They just get better head. No, I don't have anything with younger guys. But. But I feel like they're. If, if someone doesn't let them know it's okay to do X, Y and Z, they're going to enter manhood struggling just like everybody else, you know, like without direction. They're going to be like, you know, can't, you know, is it gay to go to therapy? You know, oh, I don't want to let my guard down in this area. And for me, I'm like, hey, look, be who you are. If they don't like you, them, if you like you and you're doing right. Like, don't get me wrong, if you're like, you know, out being just a dick out in public and bullying the week. No, like, I get that. That's not what we want. But if you're like, honestly, like an upstanding guy, like just trying to like, do your thing, who cares what everybody else thinks, dude? And I think so many men function out of their insecurities, you know, like they just, they operate out of their insecurities and in doing so they hurt so many people, you know, they, they operate out of it. So it's like they're abusers. They're physically and verbally abusive. Why? Because it's weakness to let their wife know. Like, hey, that really hurt my feelings what you said. You know, like, have you. Well, you don't hit your wife, but do you let your wife know when she says like dickheadish things like, hey, that hurt my feelings. Or are you kind of just like, how do you operate? How do you function with that when you and your wife get into it and she's like, you're just a, like, how do you, how do you cage? How do you, how do you deal with that? [00:19:49] Speaker B: I've been asking Myself. That exact question, because I do just let it go. Like, I don't typically engage with it when she says something fucked up or does something fucked up. And I think I'm doing it because I, like, feel like, okay, so maybe next time she says something up, I can be like, hey, you know, I don't say anything when you do that, you know, like, can we just let it go? But no, I mean, so, like, yes, I just let it go. I just sort of move on. But I don't think I'm doing that out of weakness. I feel like I just don't give a. Most of the time. [00:20:40] Speaker A: She's like, you're a little bitch. Like, who's the jackass? You're the one who married a. Yeah, jokes on you. Marrier. No, I mean, so I'm not saying you do it out of weakness, but why don't you. Why don't you ever express to her, like, hey, like, I had an argument with Miami, and. And it's been up and down for us recently. You know, it's been a little. A little up and down, you know, And I, you know, we're. We're kind of. We're talking through things, and I'm just like, whoa, you know, And I'm like, you know, talking to her like, hey, like, you know, yeah, we were gonna break up. So I go over, and she's like, so, you know, what's. What's going on? And I'm like, I don't know, but I can't do this anymore. Like, I just refuse to. And she was like, so did you just come over here to break up me? I'm like, yeah, pretty much. And she was like, are you serious? I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, no, I'm. There's no joke in my voice. Like, I don't want to end it like, like, arguing with you, but, like, yeah, like, I'm pretty done here. And she was. She was like, you know, I'm not your ex wife. And I was like, well, first of all, you don't need to yell at me. I have not yelled at you. I've not raised my voice. I've not disrespected you or called you names. I did not say, I am not your ex husband. You don't need to yell at me. And then she was just like, I just feel like a fool. And I'm like, I. I, you know, you're not a fool. Like, it's just not working out, though, you know? And, you know, there. There was There was a couple things that played into it. You know, we had. I just got, like. I didn't get promoted, but I moved into another position. So I'm now doing business development. So a lot of golfing, a lot of golf trips, a lot of, like, going to get cigars and having wine, attending meetings and conferences. [00:22:51] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, dude, that's so perfect for you, Right? [00:22:55] Speaker A: So you're. [00:22:56] Speaker B: So you're, like, retaining customers or building new ones or both? [00:23:02] Speaker A: Both. So, like, when I. When I was talking to the boss of my company, the owner of my company, I said, hey, look, in five years, I don't want to be in this position. And he goes, well, if you're in that position in five years, you're doing something wrong. I said, yeah. He goes, well, where do you want to be? I said, I feel like I'm good with people. I would love to move into, like, business development, go get new work. He was like, cool. I've been wanting to jump into, like, the school sector, so, like, run with it. I was like, cool. So I go to an event, and I go to, like, a city event, and I'm. And I'll go. I go to the school superintendent, and I'm like, hey, I don't know what to do. Like, I. I'm clueless. Like, I don't know how this works. I don't, you know, hey, it was your work. I don't know. So I'm like, hey, I. You know, I'm new to this. You know, what, What? Like, organizations, committees. Oh, I don't know if you can hear all that, but I was telling them that, you know, I'm new to this, and what organization slash, slash committees could I join that, like, would help me get schoolwork, you know, like. And they were like, oh, join this group? And they gave me the name of the group. And so I went and joined, and immediately, like, I. That was a Thursday. I end up, like, talking it over with. With the owner of the company. He was like, yeah, it's a good idea. Go ahead and join it. So I join it. And that was Monday. I joined now. So I joined Monday. I get an email on Tuesday that says, like, hey, we're still looking for volunteers for this, this, this. And I'm like, what? So I, like, open it up, and it's a conference going on in. In. In Laughlin. So I'm like, score. So I'm like, hey, should I be going to this? And I talked to him. He's like, yeah, dude. Like, why join this organization if you're not gonna go to these things. So I'm like, cool. Three day weekend, paid on the company in Laughlin. Let's go. So I see her, it's her week now. I see her on Wednesday and I'm like, or on Tuesday. And I'm like, oh, yeah. You know, like this new cut, this conference is that. She's like, is, is, you know, you're. Is the owner going? I said, no. She's like, it's just you. I was like, yeah, you know, I was talking about it and this and that. She's like, oh, so this is your idea? I'm like, yeah. She's like, oh, cool. And I'm like, okay. Like, that's cool. Really thought you'd be like, happy for me, maybe talking it through. Like, are you scared? Do you know what you're going to talk about? Do you know what you're going to do? No, nothing like that. And so, so I'm kind of like, whatever, dude. And I end up going. And I end up going, great, three days. And she's like pissed off this whole time. She's like, so you're going to go to this conference till Friday, then you pick up your daughter, you're with her, and then you go to your men's retreat when you get back. And she was. And I'm just like, dude. So I'm like, yeah, not doing all this bullshit, dude. Like, fuck off, dude. So now we're fast forward, we're having this conversation week and a half, 12 days later. She counted. And so I'm like, yeah, I'm done. Like, I'm, I'm good. Like, I don't, I don't want to, I don't want to do this. And I'm like, when I say, when I ask you if we're good, you say, we're good. You don't communicate. You don't tell me like, hey, I need a minute. No, we're not good, or, yeah, we're good, but you know, I'm kind of processing something. I'm like, you just kind of leave me in the dark. And I was like, I'm just cool with that. Like, I'm, I'm good on that one. And so, you know, she like breaks down, we start talking, and on top of it, you know, I told her, I said, hey, look, like, it's, it's. I don't feel right having sex before marriage. I said, it affects my relationship with the Lord. I've been open about that. Yeah, There are going to be times where we Fall into doing it. But, like, every night is convicting. Like, I just kind of pull away from the Lord, you know? I was like, I know it's not his will, you know? So then she's like, yeah, but, you know, you make me feel like I'm the bad guy, you know, like. Like I'm a bad person for wanting to have sex with you. You're not a bad person for when they have sex with me. Everybody wants to have sex with me. What is happening, though, is you're not. You're. What? Dude, I'm trying to tell. [00:27:30] Speaker B: You, okay? [00:27:33] Speaker A: I said. [00:27:34] Speaker B: I mean, that's just objectively hilarious to say. I don't. I don't know what to tell you. [00:27:40] Speaker A: So I was. I was telling her. I was like, yeah, you know, like, no, you're not bad. I was like. But when I'm asking you for, like, some support and you just, like, you ignore the fact that I'm like, hey, I don't have sex. Yeah, it's a little. A little bothersome, you know? And so. Yeah. So all that to say. I don't know where I was going with this story, but that's where we've been the last couple, you know, couple times a couple since we last talked and we're good now. But, you know, like, I tell her that's where I was going with it. I tell her if something's bothering me, I'm like, hey, look, like, what you just said bothers me. Hey, what you did bothers me. I'm not gonna let it ruin the day. Don't get me wrong. But I'm bothered by the fact that you did xyz. I'm bothered that you told your ex husband this. I'm bothered by. And she's like, oh, my gosh, you know, like, I can't be. You'd expect me to be so perfect. No, no, no, no, no. I don't expect to be perfect at all. Expect you to take my feelings into consideration if I'm gonna be in this relationship, though, that's for sure. But you're in a different situation. You're married. I could call mine off, like, today, you know, I can just say, hey, we're done. No, 50. 50. We're. We're done. Now, on the flip side, there's a lot more women that go to therapy than men, like, openly. [00:29:14] Speaker B: Yeah, I think that's just, like, culturally part of the deal for them. I think it's. It's. I was kind of surprised by the statistic you said, about 70% of men, like, thinking it's dumb or whatever. [00:29:30] Speaker A: Well, so 70% of young men avoid seeking mental health help altogether. And then in 2023, just 17% of American men saw mental health professional, compared to 28.5% of women. And only about one third of people in therapy in the US are men. And while over 14% of men experience mental health issues, very few actually get help. And there were four times more likely to die of suicide. [00:30:04] Speaker B: Yeah, we are better at it. [00:30:05] Speaker A: You know what I mean? [00:30:06] Speaker B: They're more likely to not die of suicide, if you know what I'm saying? They're more likely to get a lot closer with their families after an accident. Yeah. So that actually surprises me because I just feel like, culturally, like, everyone goes to therapy. [00:30:31] Speaker A: Culturally what? [00:30:34] Speaker B: Like, everyone goes to therapy. [00:30:37] Speaker A: You're, like, really cutting out, bro. If. [00:30:40] Speaker B: So, can you hear me? [00:30:42] Speaker A: Yeah. And it's not that you were cutting out. You just. You went real low culturally. [00:30:46] Speaker B: What now, like, everyone goes to therapy? It feels like that. [00:30:55] Speaker A: Yeah, I guess I could see that. I mean, I think it's being. I've seen. That's the crazy part is I personally felt like it's getting more common. [00:31:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:06] Speaker A: You know what I mean? I felt like. Oh. Like it's actually more common now for. It's more normalized for people to go to therapy. Especially after Covid. [00:31:17] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah. And just like, the ease with which you can do it online now, and if you use promo code pseudonyms over at BetterHelp, you won't get a discount. [00:31:35] Speaker A: Now, what about. Do you think. Let me just ask you. Do you think it threatens who the individuals. Like, do you think for men, it threatens who we. Who we. Who we think we are? [00:31:50] Speaker B: I think that going into therapy, you should want to change. And so, yes, I think it does fundamentally threaten who we are because the expectation is that we will be different if we do it. [00:32:12] Speaker A: Okay, I didn't. I didn't look at it like that, but I understand what you're saying. [00:32:17] Speaker B: Fear there. [00:32:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:21] Speaker B: You don't feel that way. [00:32:22] Speaker A: No, no, no, no. I never looked at it like that. But I understand what you're saying. [00:32:26] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think, like, especially if you're being, like, pressured by your spouse or someone to do it, I think there can be a lot of resistance there. Or even if. Honestly, even if you just feel pressured because you feel like everyone does it now, you know, And I guess that's not the case, given the statistics you read me, but it kind of feels like everyone does. Like an online Therapy or something. [00:32:55] Speaker A: Are you still doing your online therapy? [00:32:56] Speaker B: My sister. [00:32:58] Speaker A: No. [00:32:58] Speaker B: I stopped after that day. [00:33:01] Speaker A: Oh, okay. Okay. [00:33:03] Speaker B: That was 2022. But you know what? I think we've talked about this before. Like, you and I are just better at, like, seeking resources and kind of working out our own stuff and, like, thinking about why we do certain things or thinking about why we think a certain way. So they're. They're. You know, we. [00:33:24] Speaker A: I will say, like, I. I mean, like, the. The guy I went to, you know, he sat there and we were talking, and, you know, he's asking me about my childhood, and I'm kind of like, letting him know, and I'm like, yeah, you know, it's. You know, I don't think my parents woke up just thinking, like, yeah, we're gonna this kid up today. I was like. But, like, you know, like, they weren't the best. They just kind of did what they. They could do with what they had, you know? And I've always kind of said that. And he's looking at me, and I'm telling him, like, these different stories, and he's like. He's looking at me, and I go, what's going on? He goes. And it's a. It was like, he's one of those dudes that is so Christian. You think he's gay. You know what I mean? Like, he's. You know what I'm talking about? [00:34:13] Speaker B: Like a Chrisley. [00:34:16] Speaker A: Yes and no. Like, his demeanor and everything is just real soft. And how are you today? You know, and, you know, and, you know. But he's. He's also funny at the same time. He's, like, confident in himself. So you're like, well, okay, like, maybe he is, maybe he isn't. I don't know. Maybe, you know, let's see where this rolls. And. And so, like, he's sitting there and he's looking at me, and I'm like, what's. What. What are you thinking? And he's like, man, they really you up? And I'm like. I'm looking at him and I, like, I can't help but, like. Like, start to cry. And he's like, what? What? Like, what. What is, like, going on right now? And I'm like, honestly, dude, I said I. I feel like if I'm, like, being honest, I felt like I was pretty solid as a person. But I'm sitting here with you, and I feel like you have a compass. And I'm absolutely lost. Like. Like, I'm in the wilderness thinking, like, I'm good And you're, like, in salvation. Like, nah, player. You have no idea what good is. And it just kind of. It just really messed with me that day, dude. It messed with me. Like, I just. I think it's good sometimes to have not just therapy, and it doesn't necessarily have to be therapy, but someone that's, like, they're telling you, like, what the real is. You know what I mean? [00:35:47] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I get that. And then sometimes I feel like, oh, man, they're just as up as I am. [00:35:59] Speaker A: That's how I felt. That's how I felt about that female. I was like, oh, man. Yeah, we're gonna have crazy sex, but then you're gonna want a relationship, you know? I mean, and everything you write for my court case is gonna be thrown out. [00:36:19] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, boy. [00:36:23] Speaker A: That's how I felt about my lawyer. When I started dating her. [00:36:26] Speaker B: I was like, you dated your lawyer? [00:36:29] Speaker A: Yeah, we dated for, like, I don't know, this, nine, ten months. Well, I knew she was a lawyer, so I started dating her so she'd represent me for free. [00:36:43] Speaker B: She did the Arabic one. [00:36:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:47] Speaker B: Yeah, right. I did know about that. I didn't know she was your lawyer, [00:36:50] Speaker A: though, for a little bit. And then after, you know, kind of missing a couple court dates or missing how to, like, submit paperwork, you know, she sent me everything and was like, hey, print it out. Go drop it off at the courthouse. Well, I did all that. And then I get to court, and they're like, nah. I was like, you guys didn't. I printed, like, three stacks of it. Like, you guys didn't get it? They're like, no. You're supposed to submit it electronically. Like, you. So you didn't get nothing? They're like, no. I'm like, not the cocaine text nothing. They're like, nope. All right, well, back to square one. Okay. I got to try and build a case now. At that time, I'd already dropped her just because we were, you know, She. I don't know. She broke up with me, like, four times. They're always liberals. [00:37:48] Speaker B: You're polishing boots while you say that? Oh, it's not boots. They're nice shoes. Okay. I thought they were, like, Doc Martens, this bald guy just polishing his. Doc Martens. Talking about liberals. [00:38:05] Speaker A: No, I. I went to. Went to this little, like, indoor. It's called, like, Merchant Square, and I bought a shoe shining kit, and it came with everything you need on the inside. So I was like, you know what, dude? I think I'm gonna see if this, like, this this stuff really works and, and see if it really makes it. Because I. I will wipe off my shoes and like put in mink oil on them, you know, before I go out to see if like. Oh, but like this one, you probably can't tell, but this is the one I just polished and this is the one that's not it. Always. They always just look kind of like, mmm, charcoal instead of black. And now that I put this black polish on it, man, like I'm ready to go dance. I'm ready go dancing, bro Poppin. Yeah, I was trying to go dancing tonight or do something, but I just had an itch up my ass to go go out. It was like the old was back for a second, dude. It was like both my, my daughters are gone, my girl thinks I'm at home. Let's go out. Haha. Let's go out, you know, So. But I'm glad we didn't. [00:39:28] Speaker B: So you'd go out alone? [00:39:31] Speaker A: No, no, no, no. There was a. One of my clients, we had lunch and you. You know who? Him. It's Rico Suave. Now like what, like Lord, what was it called? Power Lord or El Padre. El Padre, Power Lord. [00:39:49] Speaker B: But I used to dance under the name Power Lord. [00:39:52] Speaker A: He's dating a like 20, 28 year old, 27 year old and he's 50 and she's a pretty chick. He's a, you know, he's a, he's a gentleman. Well put together, you know, got his right, you know, got a good job, you know, works out super thin, you know what I mean? Like, like does well and, and you know, he's dating this younger chick that won't introduce him to her family and obviously because he's the same age as her dad and. Yeah, and so he's like, you know, it just kind of sucks, you know. [00:40:34] Speaker B: Hot. [00:40:35] Speaker A: What's that? [00:40:37] Speaker B: Not hot. [00:40:38] Speaker A: Right. Well, I'm thinking her dad, she's Mexican, so I'm thinking her dad's like, you know, the fat Mexican guy. And you know, here he is, just a gentleman, you know, he kind of has the whole gentleman thing. You know, I pay, I open the door, I protect the woman in my presence. You know, real, real gentleman character. Dresses nice, you know, like got some swag about him. Funny, good sense of humor, you know what I mean? So like you could see why. You know, it's kind of like, it's kind of like we're brothers, you know, like we're funny chicks. Like the funniness. I'm just not in shape. Like he is and that's where I need to be. Otherwise, like, his girl met me and he did not want me to see her the next day because apparently she fell in love. And he's like, I walked up to him and his girls in town. He's like, I just want to claw your eyes out. And I'm like, why? He's like, no reason. And then we leave his girl, and he was like, you left? And she was like, oh, my gosh, his eyes are so beautiful. [00:41:47] Speaker B: He was like the. [00:41:49] Speaker A: You know, it was funny. We were standing in the hallway the other day. We're just standing in the hallway. And back to the story of, of me and Miami. Accumulation of things was not only was all that stuff going on and, you know, she wasn't really like on my team or anything, but a lot of these younger girls that I talked to in the past, these 27, 28, 29 year olds, 22 year old, started texting me out of nowhere, both almost at the same time. Hey, are you in a relationship? And I'm like, I probably won't be Monday, you know, and if you can [00:42:30] Speaker B: just hold that thought. [00:42:31] Speaker A: Yeah. And I'm like, I won't be Monday. So I'm. I go to work and I'm talking to El Padre, and I'm like, yeah, you know, like, this girl started texting me. So I'm showing him pictures, I'm like. And it was three different chicks. And he was like, dude. And he, like, looks up to the sky because he's not a. He's not a Christian. He's not, you know, he's. He's someone that believes there's a higher power, but doesn't necessarily think it is. Has to be Christianity, you know. And so he looks up at the sky and he's like, what am I doing wrong? And he goes, wait, what church you guys go to? He was like, I think I'm gonna start going to church with you guys. I think God's got something in store for me as well. Do you think I could get a young chick that lives local? I was like, dude, you're funny, bro. But yeah, all that to say, seems [00:43:26] Speaker B: like he's doing fine. [00:43:28] Speaker A: Yeah, he's doing good. He just hates the fact that, you know, he's in California every other weekend because that's where she lives. And yeah, that sucks. It's the back and forth then, you know, on his weekends that they're not together, he's out here solo, bro. You know, just like, I'm like, oh, yeah, me and Miami did this. This weekend. He's like, yeah, I just sat in my garage and worked on. It's not a bad gig, dude. [00:43:59] Speaker B: So you guys are okay now? [00:44:02] Speaker A: Yeah, we're good. We're good. And it's. It's nothing, you know, not proud of it, but it was, you know, she started crying, and I just love some good makeup sex. I don't know why, but she started crying. And then I was like, hey, it's okay. I started hugging her and then just threw her back on the counter, started eating that pussy. [00:44:34] Speaker B: So it didn't resolve really [00:44:39] Speaker A: well? No, I told her. I said, hey, look, I'm being serious during sex. I was like, I'm serious. You need to start communicating better. She's like, I will go faster. Like, good job, baby. That's kind of how it went down. [00:44:57] Speaker B: A promise that will not be kept. [00:45:00] Speaker A: No, and it hasn't. In fact, I think she was upset the other day and she did the same exact thing. And I'm like, here we go again. So that's the shitty part. We're happy together, but we're happy together. It's just when we're not together, she's like, you know, because she's like, I'm not needy. And I'm like, the you aren't. And she's like, I'm really not that needy. I'm like, you're very needy. She's like, do you think so? I'm like, yeah, like, way needy. She's like, are you. Are you serious? Are you just saying that? No, no, no, no. I'm dead ass Serious. You're a fucking needy woman and it's okay. Just own that shit. Just say, yeah, I'm needy. Don't sit here and deny it, [00:45:48] Speaker B: Man. I just. I don't think I could have told her that. [00:45:52] Speaker A: What's that? [00:45:52] Speaker B: I think as soon as she started crying, I would have been like, oh, you know, you're good. [00:45:57] Speaker A: Oh, man, that's what I didn't want. I didn't want to fall into that trap. You know what I'm saying? [00:46:03] Speaker B: I know. [00:46:07] Speaker A: So let me. Okay. So do you think men. Getting back to the topic. Do you think men don't go to therapy because they were never taught that? Do you think that's something that should be taught? Like, hey, it's okay to go to therapy? [00:46:24] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't know. I mean, like I said, man, I'm still kind of not sold on it myself. I think for people who cannot work on their. It's probably useful to talk to someone who knows more about it? But that's probably just me, you know, enabling myself. [00:46:52] Speaker A: Yeah, but like I was saying, sometimes you don't know, like, I process my shit, I think, pretty well, and I still do. I still think I process pretty well for the education, lack of. The lack of, like, parental guidance and so forth. I think. I think I've come a long way, you know, than. Than some of the other guys in my same boat, my same situation. But again, sitting in that chair that day, and he was, like, looking at me, and he's talking to me, and I'm like, man. He goes, what's going on? I said, I just feel like I am so lost, and I don't even know it. Like, I thought I was like, just, you know, and here you are looking at me, like, with pity in your eyes because of the childhood I had. I don't know, man. That's how I felt, though. Yeah. [00:47:49] Speaker B: Yeah. I never had a breakthrough like that. [00:47:54] Speaker A: Yeah, but he wasn't. It also wasn't my first or even tenth session. I mean, like, you know, I went to several different sessions. Emdr, which is like the I. I Something. Forget what it is, but it's basically like, monitor. They send sounds to these headphones that you put on and, you know, kind of, I don't know, monitors, like, your eye movement and stuff and triggers things from the past or whatever. It was a bunch. I've been to CBD therapy. Cbd? I think so. Like, compulsive behavior therapy. So it was, like, a bunch of different stuff. It wasn't just, like, you know, sitting there talking to them. It was like we were trying different the whole time, which was good. [00:48:56] Speaker B: Did you hear about this ibogaine thing? [00:48:58] Speaker A: I began. What? [00:49:01] Speaker B: It's like a hallucinogenic drug that they use for therapy, and it's, like, got high success rates of, like, getting people off of drugs and, like, working out PTSD and stuff. And Joe Rogan texted Donald Trump. [00:49:20] Speaker A: Huh? I knew you're going Joe Rogan or Shawn Ryan with this. [00:49:25] Speaker B: Of course. Well, I guess Joe Rogan, like, texted Donald Trump and said, like, hey, you know, I'm reading all these studies, and I just had this guy on my podcast, like, we really need to get this legalized. And Donald Trump was just like, consider it done. So he had him out to the White House, and he signed an executive order that, like, changed it to a. From, like, a Schedule 1 to, like, a legalized medicine. [00:49:50] Speaker A: No shit. You telling the true story. [00:49:52] Speaker B: So there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was. It was all over the news. So it's probably gonna be pretty prominent pretty soon. I think there's already a bunch of doctors and treatment facilities using it kind of under the radar, so that'll probably all just become more legit. But I've been thinking about that. I've been thinking, like, you know, if that helps people so effectively, you know, it ought to be able to work out my. My shit. [00:50:29] Speaker A: What do you think? Well, what do you know about this? What do you know about this? I began. [00:50:38] Speaker B: It's. I don't know much. I just. The governor of Texas, I think it was. He said that he actually did it, and it worked so well for him that he's, like, been advocating for making it legal. And really, I think they said it's got like a. An 80% success rate of getting people completely off of opiates if they do it once, and it's like a 98% success rate if they do it twice. Something crazy like that. And, you know, so. But that's. But that's the thing. It all just comes down to, like, I don't really know what my problem is. You know, Like, I don't. I don't really know what I'm supposed to be working on. [00:51:24] Speaker A: Well, let's. Let's talk about this. What. What are you trying to. Like, what. Why did you go to therapy? Let's start there. What made you think I got to go to therapy? [00:51:37] Speaker B: I had a fight with my wife, and I promised to go to therapy to get out of it. [00:51:43] Speaker A: So. Okay, so yours is what, anger issues? [00:51:48] Speaker B: What was it kind of. It was more just like, I get depressed, and when I'm depressed, I withdraw. And I can lash out. That's part of it. But it's more just like, you know, general mistreatment. [00:52:09] Speaker A: Okay, so yours is depression. What triggers your depression? [00:52:14] Speaker B: My brain. [00:52:16] Speaker A: I mean, like, you don't. You. So let me ask you, are you documenting your depression? Are you like, hey, I'm depressed today, and this was my day yesterday, or this was my day this morning, and this is where I'm at now to see if there's a pattern at all. [00:52:32] Speaker B: Yes. So I. I have journaled about it for years. I think seasonal is a big one for me. When the days get shorter, that. With me, I understand that a lot better now because of Andrew Huberman talking about the circadian rhythms and stuff and its effect on depression. So that doesn't affect me as badly anymore just because I understand it. So I just sort of know going into the season, like, okay, it's Gonna be darker, it's gonna be colder, and it's gonna be over. And that's, you know, and like, if you asked me, I'd say, oh, yeah, I way prefer like the shorter days and the colder weather and stuff. But then, like, when it actually happens, I don't feel well, but there's no real reason for it, you know? Yeah, but I do notice. I just. I, like, I stop working out, I start eating more. I think the holidays have a lot to do with that, but, like, you know, I just get kind of blah. But, you know, it's. It's a lot better since we moved back to California. Not only just because, like, the weather is so much better year. [00:53:50] Speaker A: The family as well, helps with it. [00:53:53] Speaker B: Where. Yes. We're around our, you know, my family all the time and we've got the kid and like, you know, she's so happy being here. So, like, everything's just a lot better being out here. So it really hasn't been as severe since we came back. But, like, out there, dude, just. I had no friends, no family. I mean, I had my cousin, but she was, you know, 40 minutes away. We didn't really see each other that much. [00:54:20] Speaker A: But, you know, I find that it was common when people are like, oh, I got family out there and like, they move out there thing. And like, every day is going to. Me and my cousin are going to be best friends, and then they're like, yeah, I had family out there, but I never saw them. [00:54:38] Speaker B: Yeah, I legitimately. So she lived in Orange before she moved out to Oklahoma. And during the, I guess, three years that she lived in Oklahoma and I was still here, I probably saw her more during those three years than I did when we both lived in Oklahoma because she made a point to come visit every single time she was in town, you know, but we might go six months without seeing each other in Oklahoma, you know, so, you know, not. Not that she wouldn't have been open to that. It was just tough because, like, my wife never wanted to drive that far. [00:55:15] Speaker A: Is she cute? [00:55:16] Speaker B: You know, didn't want to. My cousin. [00:55:19] Speaker A: Mm. [00:55:21] Speaker B: She. Yeah. She's in her 50s, but right around the corner. She's a good. You've met her. [00:55:30] Speaker A: Have I? [00:55:31] Speaker B: Yeah. She's the one with the black husband. [00:55:35] Speaker A: One of them. I'm good. So hold on. Now that you move back, it's better. [00:55:49] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah. So, I mean, I. I get depressed like now. You know, the. The two episodes of being out of work. I'm a little depressed because it's like back to this, you know, Are you [00:56:08] Speaker A: out of work again? [00:56:10] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. You don't know? [00:56:13] Speaker A: No, I know. I knew at the time. There was a timeline, and, yeah, everybody in your department thought you were great for the position, but the hiring squad didn't think you were good. [00:56:23] Speaker B: Right? Yeah. I don't actually know what happened with the hiring committee. They weeded through, you know, a hundred resumes, and I just wasn't one of them. So I, you know, I don't know how they. They felt or, like, what their reasoning was. But, yeah, so I. I wrapped it up on the 16th, I think was my last day there. And now my wife is training to be a shift lead at the coffee shop that she. [00:56:58] Speaker A: The. [00:56:58] Speaker B: The large coffee shain that she works for. So I kind of just have to be with the kid now. So, like, I'm applying to things, but it's like, I couldn't really do it right now even if I got a job. We will adjust, obviously, if I do get a job, but it's not like, you know, something that has to happen today because, you know, it's just. [00:57:25] Speaker A: All right, so hold on between. You recognize some of these sources, right? You've recognized some of the sources. Being seasonal, do you talk yourself out of it, or are you just kind of like, in a funk? Because I feel like you're built like me in the introspective part, like, when I didn't know the source. Yeah, I kind of was in a funk the whole time. But once I realized the source of my depression, certain seasons, certain circumstances, I was able to be like, okay, I'd sit myself down and be like, that's what it is. All right, let's get on with this. Like, yeah, tomorrow's not today. This is just temporary. [00:58:08] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. It's definitely better in that regard because, like, this is now the second time I've been unemployed since we moved back out here at, like, last time. I really didn't think I was going to find a job, like, legitimately. I'm looking at the job market. I'm looking at, like, what AI is doing to the job market. I'm looking at, you know, my much more successful friends having issues with their jobs, and I'm just like, yeah, I'm fucked, dude. Like, there's. There's no way. And then I got a job. So, I mean, you know, it didn't work out, but it easily could have worked out if the circumstances had been a little different because everyone wanted to keep me. So that helps now because I'm like, okay, you know, like, th. This will work. Like, you know, it's not. It's not working right now, but like, I will find another job and, you know, will work out. [00:59:03] Speaker A: You should look. Just saying, look at school jobs out here. [00:59:14] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know if I want to do that anymore. Like, just. Just seeing how south things went because it was a community college, you know, like, private company would have just handed me that job. You know, it's like, maybe. Maybe this is a sign. [00:59:36] Speaker A: You're gonna homeschool. [00:59:40] Speaker B: Yeah, we want to, but I mean, under the current circumstances, we wouldn't be able to fly that. But, you know, we. We actually were just talking about that today, [00:59:55] Speaker A: how we. [00:59:56] Speaker B: We hope to do that. But. [01:00:03] Speaker A: Do you think. Do you think when it comes to therapy, do you think therapy would help your depression or do you think it would be pill based? [01:00:19] Speaker B: I don't know. When I. I told that therapist right off the bat, like, I don't think I want to do medication for the same. Did I tell you about the heart, the blood pressure? [01:00:36] Speaker A: I know you had it. I don't know what it was related to or anything like that. I just knew you had some blood pressure you were doing. Yeah. [01:00:45] Speaker B: So, long story short, Dr. Wanted to put me on blood pressure medication because it was high when I was at the office and I was resistant. So he had me track it at home for 30 days, 29 out of 30 days. It was totally normal at home. So I won that battle. But the. The reason I didn't want to do it was like, well, it's not always high. So like, you're gonna put me on a medication to lower my blood pressure, and then like, half the time when it's normal, I'm just gonna have like, low blood pressure. Like, that's also not a good, you know, situation. So. Same thing with the pills, dude. Like, I feel like I'm not always depressed. So, like, what's that gonna do to me when I'm not, you know, when. When I'm like, not making. When I. When I am making enough serotonin. You know what I mean? Like, what, you know, is that just gonna spin me out, you know, just. Yeah, it's just like, it's not a. It's not a constant problem. So I don't think, like, a constant solution is really what's in order, you know? [01:01:52] Speaker A: Yeah, I get that. I remember when I went after a suicide attempt and the doctor was like, I'm gonna put you on pills, and I was okay with it. I thought you know, that'll be fine. And then you have an emotion, and what follows an emotion. Did you take your pills today? And I was like, fuck you. Never taking those pills again. And I didn't. [01:02:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, because it's like, what are you really? I kind of struggle with, like, whether it's even a bug or a feature, you know? Like, maybe I'm supposed to be up about stuff when stuff is up, you know? Like, maybe. Yeah. You know, like, maybe my ancestors really did think the sun wasn't coming back, you know, and I really should be worried about it, you know what I'm saying? Like, maybe. Maybe I should feel bad about myself when I'm not working, you know? [01:03:06] Speaker A: Well, I get it. I get it. You're in a. It's a tough spot. And I say that because you're also in a good spot. You're at home, you know? And so, like, I get that. So, yeah, it sucks you're unemployed, but at the same time, it's. I don't know, man. It's not the end of the world. And nor is it, like, what? You know, yes, money does buy happiness, but it's not the end all. You know what I mean? It's just not the end all. I mean, like, yeah, you'd be happier right now, you know, I'd be happier right now if I could afford to go run some jet skis tomorrow, you know, or, you know what I mean? [01:04:02] Speaker B: Or. [01:04:03] Speaker A: Or, you know, fly somewhere for a weekend or take a trip somewhere, like, yeah, for sure. But I'm also content my circumstances. And I think in your current situation, I mean, like, I think journaling. And sometimes. And I. And I say this to you because I know that you like to journal. And I've tried to say to other men, like, the. The Raider kid that I'm, like, working with, like, he's going through some stuff with his girl, and I'm like, well, journal it. Like, it's different when you write it down. Write it down. It's gonna provoke different thoughts, gonna provoke different things. Like, you'll be able to process some of this a little bit more writing it down than just spending five minutes thinking about it or pondering it for a half hour to actually, like, write it down. You're gonna be like, right now, things. And as you're writing them down, like, side. Side trails, rabbit trails, side notes are gonna pop up. Jot those down and address them, or just jot them down and circle back to them after you finish this thought, you know? But I don't know Man, I think for you, that's kind of where I would go with it, because I think through it, you would see. And I think we talked about this before, and I want to say you do it. The gratitude journal. I think you'll end up seeing that, you know, there are things out there that, yeah, money cannot buy. The love of your daughter, you know, a good relationship with your wife, the love of your wife. But I mean, when it comes to, I think, dealing with. Because I think some depression is brought on by those in our sphere of influence. And I don't think some women intentionally do it, but I think women can do it to men, you know? You know, Satan turned Adam's head by going through Eve. You know, women have control over men to an extent, either emotionally, sometimes physically. But emotionally, they can kind of like, gear the guy to do something that he maybe normally wouldn't do. And so I think, you know, it's. It's important to kind of continually. And I know you do this. You read continually read to educate ourselves on it. You know, I did not know I was fixed mindset until I read Carol Dweck's book. And I was like, oh, crap. Like, when my wife would tell me I was a pos, I thought I was a pos. But, you know, I can take that now and use it as fuel to be like, I'm not a pos. I'm an. I'm an. Actually, I'm a good guy, and I'm gonna prove it to you. You know, I wasn't that guy. I wasn't the Michael Jordan that was like, oh, you say I suck at basketball. I'm gonna drop 69. Was guys like, oh, you say I suck at basketball. Yeah, you're probably right. So do you think, though, when it comes to therapy that the cost is too expensive? Because I noticed not a lot of healthcare covers fucking, like, in person therapy. [01:07:19] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I think. I think I had, like, a $20 copay on each session, but it was covered by my health care. But that was pretty good insurance that I'm probably not gonna have again. [01:07:38] Speaker A: So I've had insurance that covers it. But then when you go to those therapists, they're like, oh, yeah, we're so booked. We can't see you for, like, six months. And you're like, what the dude? Yeah, that's. That's kind of. And so you end up going to someone, one that you like, that you're like, okay, I kind of click with this dude. But they're like, yeah, we don't take healthcare. We don't take, you know, medical insurance. It's 150. Some of them were 200 an hour. And it was like, oh my gosh, dude, like, you're killing my pocketbooks. [01:08:12] Speaker B: Yeah, that's. [01:08:14] Speaker A: I mean, you know, what you're doing to my mental health. That's what I would tell them for a discount. [01:08:23] Speaker B: That would be pretty prohibitive to me right now. I think so, dude. Even like better help or some of the subscription based ones, like, they're still like 75 bucks a month. Like, there's still a lot. [01:08:39] Speaker A: They're very pricey. Don't get me wrong, they are very pricey. And that's the, I think that's part of, part of it is, you know, you go, you know, if you go once a week at 150 a shot, you know, you're 600 down at the end of the month. [01:08:58] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, that just. I don't know, man. I'd have to start seeing better results. Oh, that's, that's what I was gonna say before I, I decided after that last session, it took me a while to kind of go, like, I think I'm just like, not into therapy in general. At first I was like, yeah, I'll find someone else who's not a, like this, like Larry, but his name was Larry. Isn't that hilarious? So I, I said, you know what I need to tell the next person is like, hey, I, I do not easily open up, so you gotta push me. Like, if you push me, I'll probably be fine. Like, I can take you anywhere you want to go, but like, you can't just like sit back and like expect me to just kind of run the whole thing because I don't know what I'm doing, you know? But then I never went back, so. [01:10:03] Speaker A: Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I think some of its cost. Do you, you know, there's, there's a thought out there that therapy wasn't built with certain individuals in mind. [01:10:20] Speaker B: Okay, tell me more. [01:10:25] Speaker A: Current therapy approaches often emphasize emotional expression over action oriented techniques. And mental health campaigns rarely target men specifically. What if the problem isn't just men refusing help, but the help not fitting how men actually think? Because it's the same therapist seeing you whose next client is a woman. And he's just possibly repeating the same process he did with you? So it's not like, it's not really specific to you and how you function. Like, I almost think you have to really open up with your therapist and say, well, I'm a reader. I'M a writer. Mean, that was part of what I did. And my therapist was like, all right, tonight write about this. Tonight write about that. Hey, look at this book. Okay, cool. Thanks, man. But, like, for instance, woman talks to woman. I come to you, and I'm like, oh, my gosh, Linda, this happened. And he's being such a dick. And. And they're just like, oh, my gosh, I totally understand. You should fucking leave his ass. Da, da, da. When you come to me and you're like, oh, my gosh, Brooks. Like, my wife is being such a bitch. Or when a woman. Your wife comes to you, you want to fix their problems. You want to fix them. Women are trying to fix them. Women are trying to teach lessons and shit. You know, fuck that, dude. You know, like, you don't need. He don't appreciate you, girl or whatever. Pro, woman, whatever. And outside of that, I mean, we men just have the stereotype for a reason that we like to fix shit, fix problems. And we got to emphasize the. Should I just be listening? Are you venting? Or do you want to. Do you want me to fix this? You know what I mean? So do you think therapy is kind of generic in its approach and not necessarily geared towards. Towards the man? [01:12:41] Speaker B: I think yes. I think it does kind of feel like one size fits all. But that size might work if you work it. That kind of thing, you know? Like, maybe I'm not being flexible enough with the process. [01:13:04] Speaker A: Yeah, but if it's one size fits all, shouldn't that be flexible for us? And that's the thing. Here's the thing. You're now going in, and I get it. Maybe you aren't flexible enough, but until someone tells you that, how do you know you're supposed to be flexible? [01:13:22] Speaker B: That's a good point. Yeah. [01:13:25] Speaker A: I mean, I'm in therapy because I'm not flexible. If I was flexible, I wouldn't be here. I'd be like, you're right, babe. Or I'd be like, you know, fucking doing so. I don't know. You don't. I mean, but I wouldn't be here if I was flexible. And so being that I'm not pliable and flexible, you need to walk me through that process that. That I'm. I need to be flexible. I need to just give it a shot. Feeling like a. For the male, that's like therapies for women. You know what I mean? Like, hey, give this a shot. You're gonna feel like a. But it'll be just me and you. You're Just gonna be my. [01:14:04] Speaker B: Yeah. And I think that's kind of probably how I felt about it. It was kind of like, yeah, I'm just gonna have to do, like, some gay stuff here, and maybe it'll work. You know, Like, I kind of had that in the back of my head, like, this might work if I just submit to whatever they want me to do, you know, but if you're not thinking that way, then, like, it, you know, maybe therapy is not for you, or maybe, you know, they need to find a way to like, break through that and, like, access, you know, your. Your more flexible side, you know, so honestly, for everyone. [01:14:46] Speaker A: And I think, honestly, you might be in the same boat. So don't take this wrong. I think men and therapy is a good, good example of this. I think men that, like, can't open up in therapy have insecurities. Again. I think most men operate out of their insecurities to not feel they're gay, to not feel weak, to not feel, you know, feel certain things. And I think for good. In a good way. Society has changed. In a good way. Not too good, of course. I mean, I don't think men should be gay, but it's more accepting of a quote, unquote feminine man, Feminine male. And I think that most men of the older generations are more against therapy one, because they were like, hey, just pick up the fucking, Put your boots on, let's fucking roll. And but then again, I mean, we also had more women getting beat. You know what I mean? It was. It was really common to come home and take your day out on your woman. You know, I'm saying. And there was no repercussion for it. And I'm not saying that the. The rates are lower now. I don't know the rates on that, but I do know now that it's not, you know, if a cop shows up on my house, he's not gonna be like, oh, she was back talking you again, huh? You know, he's gonna be like, hey, turn around. You know what I mean? Turn around and put on, you know, put these bracelets on. And I think to a degree it's. It's more acceptable for men to be more vulnerable. But I don't think a lot of men are comfortable with that and confident in themselves. I think that that's an insecurity in which they operate in. You know, I'm thinking of those dudes that, like, when you said maybe some therapy isn't meant for, you know, some men aren't meant for therapy. I'm Thinking of those dudes that are just like biker dudes. They got this facade, but they still have some issues. And, you know, they're in therapy and the guy's trying to open. He's like, ah, this you. I'm out of here. That's him operating out of his insecurities. That's him not being able to sit down and be like, yeah, dude, I just don't know, man. I'm really, I just, I'm really up, you know, Like, I just don't. I get so angry or, you know, she does this and I just kind of flip out. And I think a lot of men just operate out of insecurity and they don't even know they're doing it. [01:17:29] Speaker B: So do you think if I got like a leather jacket, maybe people would be like, ah, you know, he's. That's just not for him. Therapy is just not for him. [01:17:39] Speaker A: I, I don't think you need the leather jacket. I think your black, all black outfits say that. You know, I'd look at you and be like, yeah, no, that dude ain't going to therapy. He's going to burn down a house tomorrow. [01:17:58] Speaker B: No, I'm a really nice guy when you get to know me. [01:18:05] Speaker A: I told the family to get out first. [01:18:08] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, I guess to, to bring it back around. Yes, I think it is a problem when it's a blanket process, like one size fits all. I didn't really overthink that till you asked the question because I guess what I was thinking was like, yeah, it's like a one size fits all process that everyone just has to go through. And then you kind of, you know, get better through that, you know, and like, if it's not working for you, it's because you're doing something wrong. [01:18:44] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't necessarily know if I, you know, I don't. I think. And it sucks because it's almost like you have to like, fucking house shop our fucking, you know, it's like going to look at cars. You're like fucking. Or trying to find a new fucking nanny. You got a fucking interview these people to see if it's someone you can fucking, like, work with. You know what I mean? There was one guy that was just like, okay. I mean, like, he just listened and he was like, okay. Oh, okay. All right. So have you had any, like, thoughts of, like, this? No. Okay. I'm just like, dude, you're fucking pointless, dude. But then the second guy I go to and he's just like, you know, you're Fucking lost, you know, And. And the women were. I saw two, two, three different women again. One that I felt like we're gonna fucking. One, I felt like, you're really smart. I admired her. She had a lot of. A lot of degrees on the wall. She was a psychiatrist. And then the other ones I saw, I'm like, okay, like, you're cool, but I feel like you're. You're just getting your feet wet in this game, you know? Like, you're. You're just trying to fucking get some good reviews right now, you know, tell people the good stuff. Oh, you're doing great. I. I really see improvement. Really? The whole. My fucking wall didn't see the improvement, you know, So. I don't know, man. [01:20:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:20:16] Speaker A: Huh. [01:20:19] Speaker B: Yeah. I think I could just manipulate a woman so much more easily, get her to give me a good. It is. [01:20:30] Speaker A: I'm not gonna lie. I don't know. You know, I try my best and. [01:20:38] Speaker B: Dude, my dad was never watched Lost, right? [01:20:42] Speaker A: No. [01:20:44] Speaker B: Well, one of the characters is a con artist, or he was before the. The plane crash. And there's a flashback of him, like, talking to. To a guy he borrowed a lot of money from to do a con. And he basically seduced this guy's wife and then, like, got her to. To, like, invest a bunch of her husband's money with him. And he's explaining, like, how he tricks women. And he just goes, women? You give them a few magazines and a couple of tricks between the sheets that they ain't seen, they'll think the cons, their idea. Such a great line, dude. [01:21:25] Speaker A: I'm not. I'm not gonna lie, man. I mean, like, I think that's part of the issue with, like, why so connected to me? I mean. Yeah. You know, like, she's. She's like, passing out afterwards. She's not moving. And I'm like, about that. About that cake you were talking about. You. She's like, snoring, and I'm like, okay, all right, get up. I didn't finish. Put your mouth down there. Let's go. She's a good little trooper, though. [01:22:02] Speaker B: Oh, God, you're ridiculous. They did, shane. [01:22:11] Speaker A: They did? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know, man. You thought I froze? No, go ahead. Did you tell me about what. [01:22:38] Speaker B: It's like. God, he is so stupid still. [01:22:43] Speaker A: Did you tell me about what [01:22:46] Speaker B: I. Well, now it's off topic, but I had tendonitis all month, and it was okay. Horrific. [01:22:58] Speaker A: Elbows or knees. [01:23:02] Speaker B: Like, my hand, like, between my thumb and index finger, like, down to my wrist. [01:23:09] Speaker A: No shit. [01:23:09] Speaker B: And I got sick. So I guess a couple days after our last podcast, I got a cold and, like, my whole body was just aching. So I was like, oh, this is just. You know, I'm aching because I got carpal tunnel or whatever, and it just aches when I'm sick. And then I got better. It never went away. I was like, holy shit. So I remember it felt better at T's memorial. So that was like, the 11th, so we're already into, like, the middle of the month. And then it just got, like, way worse. So I went to a doctor, and they just gave me extra strength, ibuprofen and a. At a brace that kept my thumb straight. And I was. And they're like, if it's not better in three weeks, then we'll talk about steroids. And three days later, it was the worst that it had been the whole time. So I went back to the doctor, and I was like. We talked about, like, if it's not better, but it's like, 10 times worse. So can we, like, fast track those steroids? They give me the steroids. Five days of steroids. Still not feeling better. The day after the steroids ended was, like, even worse. And I was like, shit, dude. The steroids, like, did nothing. And then it just got better, and now it's, like, bad but tolerable. And so for like, a whole month, I basically just had one hand and I had to learn how to wipe my ass with my left hand and couldn't give my daughter a bath. It's terrible. That was really off topic, but that was, like, a big. A big story of the month for me, so I just figured it was worth telling. [01:25:06] Speaker A: You got to have something, buddy. You got to have something, you know, and that's. That right now is. You know, it was. Yeah, it was your something. It was just something. Yeah. [01:25:18] Speaker B: You know, you were talking about all the great stuff. Sex you were having and stuff. So I was like, well, let me tell this guy about my t. Tendinitis. [01:25:25] Speaker A: Wait, I had sex. Oh, it was with my left hand, actually, because my 10. Hey, hey, hey. I got tenitis. [01:25:31] Speaker B: Yeah. I learned how to do a lot of things left handed. But no, I. I always thought it was carpal tunnel because it would, like, hurt when I write, and it would hurt, you know, like, there and all over my hand. And then I went to the doctor, and they had me do some, like, weird stretches. They're like, does that hurt? Does that hurt? They're poking, prodding, and they're like, nah, it's tendonitis because, like, the carpal tunnels, like down the side. [01:25:57] Speaker A: I always thought that was an elbow thing because I have tennis. I think there's my elbows. [01:26:03] Speaker B: Yeah. There's like different types that go to the elbows or the shoulder even. I think it's like tennis elbow is what it's called. [01:26:13] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're changing the name of pickleball elbow. Tennis is kind of. Oh, yeah, yeah. [01:26:23] Speaker B: Getting with the times. Yeah. Someone asked me, like, what. What I would do if. If it never got better. I was like, kill myself for sure. Like, it feels like my hand is submerged in a bowl of ice water like all day long it's just throbbing. [01:26:46] Speaker A: And I get that. [01:26:47] Speaker B: I wouldn't. I wouldn't live with this pain. Like, I'd go on. [01:26:50] Speaker A: I get that because of the elbow. That's how it is with my elbow. Yeah. Like, whenever I go to, there's a certain movement I do. It's like, it's fine, straight, but as soon as I hit like that 45 and up, it's no matter what I do, it's just like, oh, shit. Hurts. Yeah. [01:27:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:27:06] Speaker A: But then you put a band on that puts like a bubble, you know, Has a bubble in it. You put that band on where the bubble's like on the outside of your forearm and it's gone. Yeah. It's weird. [01:27:20] Speaker B: Yeah. At least there's things we could do about it, dude. Like, I just. If this was permanent, [01:27:29] Speaker A: that's why. Dude, that's why I wouldn't want to live in old fashioned days when people are like, oh, what would it be like to live in, like, medieval times or in the wild, wild West? I'll tell you what it's like. It's like stank. That's what it's like. It's like stank pussy. I would not do well in those times. I'd be getting tons of ass and have to turn it all away because they haven't showered in a week. [01:27:54] Speaker B: You know, Dan Cummins had a great joke about that where his dad would always say, like, all I'd need is a place out in the old west and a good woman. That's all I need. He's like, yeah, yeah. And. And you could get fucking scurvy. And that great woman has never had a hot bath in her life. And he just goes on all the reasons why it sucked back then. We really do live in the best time. I mean, I think probably doesn't feel that way if you live in Ireland. [01:28:31] Speaker A: Yeah. I think the 90s and the 80s were the best. I. You know, I'd even do 70s and 60s. And I say that because, I mean, it's almost like, when did Israel and the government start colluding together before then? Right before then. In between hot. The invention of hot water in a bathtub, a shower, and the government fucking with people. That's probably the best. I want to say the 70s, because it was right before credit cards, so houses were the price of your yearly income. You know, I think that's probably the best time. [01:29:08] Speaker B: Yeah, man. I mean, even, like, my whole Instagram feed is just like 2000s nostalgia stuff, which is so weird that it's, like, old enough to be nostalgia, but it's like, yeah, you know, they. There was a post I saw that was like, there used to be a computer in your house, and it just stayed in one spot, and that was the Internet. So, like, the Internet was just like a place you went to for like, maybe an hour a day, and then you left and you went back to your normal life. And it's like when. When the Internet became something that was always with us, that's when it really started to go haywire. And. Yeah, man, it's like you had the perfect amount of technology. It wasn't ruling you, you know, Like, I. I saw. I again, my feed is full of it. So this is all I see all day. But, like, another post was like, in the 2000s, we, like, coded our MySpace pages and we, like, jail broke our iPhones and we downloaded our own music and, like, and stuff. Yeah, dude. So it's like we were, like, using our brains with the technology. Now it's just like, you know, it's [01:30:25] Speaker A: just, you know, like, chat GPT. How do I do this? Yeah, like, dude, I had my company buy a software for me to create marketing material, and then I was like, you know what? I'm gonna give it a shot. Went to chat GPT and was like, hey, create me a flyer with this, this, this, this, this. Here's our website. Take everything from our website to use. Boop. Created me a flyer. I was like, dude, that looks professional too. So here's a. Here's a challenge. Go find a classic rock station. Tell me what you're hearing now. [01:30:59] Speaker B: Foo Fighters. Isn't that crazy? [01:31:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Nirvana. [01:31:04] Speaker B: Sound guard. [01:31:05] Speaker A: Yeah, Sound guard. Yeah, yeah. Black Hole Sun. You're like, that's not classic rock. Classic rock was like, Bob Seeger and Leonard Skinner. Those are oldies now. [01:31:16] Speaker B: Dude, I. What was I. I can't remember even what it. I do. Shit. Like this all the time, because it entertains me for some reason. But I think about, like, the. The space of time between, like, now and something, and then like the space of time before that. So, like, I was thinking, like, okay, if we're listening to 90s or even like 2000s, like, if. If they just play like something from the early 2000s on the radio now, that would be like late 70s shit in the early 2000s. Like, that's. Yeah, that's the difference, you know? So it's like, yeah, Foo Fighters is classic rock now. It's. It's 30 years old, you know, like, it's crazy. Their new record is good, by the way. I know you didn't ask, but it's. [01:32:08] Speaker A: No, I think Dave Gro's a plant, so. No, I'm not. I'm not listening to it. [01:32:13] Speaker B: A plant? [01:32:15] Speaker A: Yeah, I think he was a governmental plant. [01:32:17] Speaker B: Dude, no, tell me everything right now. [01:32:22] Speaker A: I don't know everything, bro, but I heard something on it and I was [01:32:25] Speaker B: like, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. So, like, Dave Grohl wasn't originally just. [01:32:30] Speaker A: He wasn't originally everything. He wasn't. So I know he wasn't. Confirm. Was he in the band originally? Was he original member of Nirvana? [01:32:42] Speaker B: No, he wasn't? No. [01:32:46] Speaker A: Isn't his dad tied to the military with Courtney Love's dad? [01:32:54] Speaker B: That I don't know. I believe his dad was in the military. They. Because he grew up in Virginia, so he was probably like military or CIA or something. [01:33:12] Speaker A: So there's that. And I believe, yes, served in the military editing Stars and Stripes, newspapers. Also worked as a special assistant to Senator Robert A. Taft. And then Courtney Love's dad. Is also in the military, and I believe Kurt Cobain at the time was kicking drugs and going to start go solo. So. No, her dad was not. That's what it was. Her dad was the road manager for the Grateful Dead. [01:34:00] Speaker B: So let me. Let me. Let me take a guess. Let me take a guess. We've got Grateful Dead. That's easily connected to lsd. LSD is obviously MK Ultra. [01:34:16] Speaker A: Yes. Yep. I'm just saying, dude, I think. I think homeboy is a plant. Dude, he was picture perfect until all of a sudden he's got a fucking kid with his. His. Okay, okay, this is. This is crazy. This is actually one of the wildest rabbit holes in Iraq history. And it's not conspiracy theory, it's documented fact. Here's the story. The CIA accidentally helped create the Grateful Dead between 1953 and 1973. The CIA ran a classified program called IMPALE for testing LSD on other and other consciousness altering drugs on unwitting American and Canadian citizens. The stated purpose was espionage and interrogation, developing mind control techniques. Here's where the grateful day comes in. At Stanford University, research subjects were paid to sample substances like lsd, mescaline and psilocybin. Volunteers included two aspiring writers, Ken Kesey and Robert Punta. Kessie joined the experiments in 59 and Hunter in 62. And the effects on each would change the course of rock's history. Hunter recalled, at first they gave me lsd, the next week mescaline, and the next week psilocybin, and the fourth week it was all three at once. The aim was to test whether he was more hypnotizable on the drugs. He wasn't. Kessie became fascinated by the expansiveness of consciousness itself and spawned the Acid Test, a series of public events combining live music, light shows, and free lsd. Grateful Dead were the house band for most of those drug soaked events. Hunter later connected with Jerry Garcia, and from 1968 onward became the Dead's primary lyricist, penning songs like Ripple, Truckin and Darkstar, all rooted in the poetic vision that was born from his CIA funded psychedelic experiences. So the punchline, the CIA built a laboratory for its own opposition. Government paranoia intersecting with countercultural optimism, gave birth to the very movement it feared most Pretty wild cocktail party fact or podcast talking point. Okay, so now hold on. So I put in. How was the Grateful Dead connected to Dave Grohl? The connection runs through Courtney Love, Hank Harrison. Courtney Love's dad was the road manager for the Grateful Dead. Courtney Love married Kurt Cobain. Kurt Cobain was from Andrew Pond. Okay, so it goes. Grateful Dead, Hank Harrison, Courtney Love, Kurt Cobain, Dave Grohl. It's also worth noting that Dave Grohl's dad edited the Stars and Stripes military newspaper, and the CIA's MKUltra military program inadvertently helped create the Grateful Dead. So there's even a loose thematic thread connecting Grohl's dad to the Grateful Dead. Yeah, nevermind, with six degrees of separation. But I don't know. [01:37:27] Speaker B: But honestly, I mean, how do you think stuff like that happens? It's like, it's always like, ah, well, I know a guy, you know, it's never like, they're never running an ad in the paper, like, hey, we need this plant, you know? [01:37:44] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't know, man. [01:37:48] Speaker B: You know what's so cool about Dave Grohl? Like, what a baller move to like have that kid and this like massive news story and then just never address it. Like, he's never talked about it. [01:38:02] Speaker A: No. He's just like, no, I'm good, dude. [01:38:05] Speaker B: We watched a documentary about Billy Idol yesterday. Love Billy Idol. [01:38:12] Speaker A: But when you were done, did you want more? [01:38:15] Speaker B: More, more, more, more with a rebel yell? I wanted more. First of all, what a handsome son of a. He was. Just made me angry that I look the way I look. But he. So he had like a long term girlfriend that he had a son with and they ended up breaking up because he had many, many side chicks and he got one of them pregnant. And so at the end of the documentary, it all kind of wraps up with like how great of a grandfather he is now. You know, he's like in his 60s, he's probably almost 70s at this point. And they're interviewing the, the kids and stuff, and it just comes to Billy Idol and he's like, yeah, you know, and I can't do a good British accent. It is funnier with a British accent. But he's just talking about how like after him and the girlfriend broke up, like, he really got connected to his son and he was like really involved in his life. And my wife and I are like, is he gonna talk about the other kid? Like, he just doesn't. And then he's like. And then when she was about five or six, you know, the mom like finally let me in, you know, into her life and then she, you know, you know, we were inseparable at that point. So I had two kids all of a sudden, and that's what I always wanted. And then it turned out that there was another kid. So at the end of this documentary he's just like going. And then there was this. And so, yeah, he ended up with three kids. But the, the third one never knew that Billy Idol was his dad. He just thought his dad was his dad. But then when a 23andMe told him that he wasn't related to anyone in his family or like he wasn't related to his brother or his dad, he was like, what the mom? And she was like, I did have a fling with Billy idol in the 80s and then just turned out. Yeah. And they, they showed him side by side and like, dude, he looks, I mean he's like a fat guy. But like he looked just like Billy Idol. [01:40:17] Speaker A: So that's not. [01:40:18] Speaker B: They connected. And, and he had some kids and so like, he's just a grandpa to like four or five kids now. And anyways, he's cool as. [01:40:30] Speaker A: Oh, I bet. I bet. All right, well, I'm going to try. Try and get some drinks in before the night's over. [01:40:39] Speaker B: Yep. I'm gonna go to sleep. I've actually got a cold, and I feel like a zombie, so I'm gonna crash out. [01:40:52] Speaker A: All right, man. Well, good little reunion. Yeah. [01:40:56] Speaker B: I'm glad we're back. [01:40:56] Speaker A: What day you want to do it next week? [01:41:06] Speaker B: Wednesday or Thursday work for you? [01:41:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:41:10] Speaker B: All right. [01:41:10] Speaker A: Yeah, let's shoot for. [01:41:13] Speaker B: Yeah, let's shoot for Wednesday, and Thursday can be our safety. [01:41:18] Speaker A: Sounds good. All right, brother. [01:41:20] Speaker B: All right, man. Love you. This has been pseudonyms, everyone. Never gonna die. Pseudonyms never dies. All right, have a great week, everybody.