040: Kicking the Tires

[00:00:00] Speaker A: You've also got like, there's just so many people like Jordan Peterson who kind of get you started on like how to grow up and be an adult. But there's not a lot of like male centric voices like that, like specifically gentlemen stuff. You know, there's a lot of like, pull yourself up by your own bootstraps, but there's not a lot of like, open the door for the lady now. [00:00:32] Speaker B: Is Jordan Peterson, is that the guy that. I don't think it is, but maybe that does modern wisdom. [00:00:40] Speaker A: No, that's Chris Williamson and he's awesome too. [00:00:44] Speaker B: Okay. [00:00:45] Speaker A: Yeah, somebody told Peterson was the guy. He did the 12 rules for life. [00:00:50] Speaker B: And. [00:00:52] Speaker A: He'S the psychologist from Canada. And he always said to start making your bed every morning if you don't know where to start with your life. And then just like gradually get more organized and put together from there. [00:01:05] Speaker B: Oh, I should listen to him. I should check him out. Because those are some, some of those are like core beliefs of, to me, being a gentleman. Like you can't, if you don't have self discipline, you're not gonna have discipline in other areas for sure. And so I think part of that is kind of, kind of under the same route. I mean, but it's, I'm trying to tear it apart and figure out what's where, you know, I mean, like, I'd like to break it down into categories. One thing that I noticed was in almost a lot of gentlemanship type stuff was appearance. Yeah, a lot was based on appearance. And so I've also kind of been pouring into that, like what is, what is a casual fit consist of? You know what I mean? Like, you still have to look put together, you still have to look clean, but of course it's in a casual atmosphere, you know, and so like, you know, I'm a minimal jewelry kind of guy in a casual event, you know, nothing flashy, that type stuff. So it's just, I've honestly just been kind of like reading different stuff on that as well as different fashion ideas from people that focus on, you know, like that type of sharp fashion, you know, not so much even sharp, but again, like casual fashion. You know, when stretch marks first started coming around, he was, he was casual, but he was sloppy casual. You know, know, like his shirts would be wrinkled. The, the, the neck around his shirt would be kind of stretched out. You know, to him it was kind of a normal thing. [00:02:51] Speaker A: Yeah, I, I used to dress very well. Like I was always like wearing button down shirts and like tucking them in to like, dress pants and stuff. And, like, I think it's when I started gaining weight, I just lost that entirely. And definitely when I started working full time, I just did not have the energy to commit to that whatsoever. And I just basically started wearing jeans and a T shirt every day. I don't ever have to think about what I'm gonna wear. [00:03:22] Speaker B: It makes sense, man. Like, honestly, when I'm not in shape, I don't. I don't know where I don't want to even go out. I don't want to wear anything, you know, I don't want to go out to have to wear anything, you know. [00:03:35] Speaker A: It'S amazing the fuckery that being out of shape does on your mental health, and yet it's still hard to, like, fix it. You would think that, like, it's so hard on you to look bad that, like, all of your energy would go to fixing that. But it's like, last. I think that's how we get out of shape in the first place, is that it's like, last on our priorities to work on. [00:04:05] Speaker B: Yeah, and I'm almost. Someone said it. I don't know if I've said it to you before or have regurgitated in other episodes, but someone said they believe every Christian should go to the gym because, like, the discipline you have in that. [00:04:23] Speaker A: Get what they're saying? [00:04:24] Speaker B: Yeah. The discipline you pour into the gym would carry over into the discipline that you kind of carry over into all your life, including spiritual disciplines. [00:04:36] Speaker A: I think there's something to that. I think it also just. We don't. And this. This taps into, like, a pretty big theological can of worms, but, like, we don't prioritize the body. Like, there is very much this. This, like, rental car kind of mentality to our bodies where, like, especially at, like, our old, old church, where, like, guys are just eating like shit, everyone's fat, and. And, like, they're so focused on ministry, they're not thinking about that at all, you know? And it's like, ultimately, it's this fake idea that we get, like, a fully new body in the Resurrection, when in reality, like, our current body is remade. So, like, it's just. That's the same reason why people are buried in a suit and tie. It's this. This act of faith that this is going to be my body for eternity. And, like, on the day of the Resurrection, I'm gonna rise in the suit and tie. You know what I mean? And so there's some. There's some act of faith in taking care of Your body. That, like, this is the body God gave me. This is like, I'm gonna take care of this. This is in my possession, you know? [00:05:57] Speaker B: Yeah, I can see that. I definitely see that. I hear what you're saying in it. I'm just letting you know, straight up, I'm going out in the suit and tie because that's how I roll, you know? [00:06:11] Speaker A: That's me. [00:06:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:14] Speaker A: Bit of a baller over here. [00:06:15] Speaker B: Don't know if, you know, kind of want people to. To. To remember me as I was, you know, or as I wanted them to see me, you know, not the fat guy that's like, oh. [00:06:30] Speaker A: You'Re not even fat. That's the saddest thing. Like, neither of us are what you would call fat, but we both feel fat. [00:06:37] Speaker B: No, we are both fat compared to. According to the standards of the. Of. Of the health. This is fat, bro. Like, this is all. This is me just relaxed. [00:06:48] Speaker A: Sure. [00:06:49] Speaker B: You know, that's not. That's not attractive, dude. You know, bounce, you know, a little bouncing Betty up here. That's not attractive, bro. When I sit down, I mean, like, this is what. I got to sit, like, naked next to my lady, looking like. You know what I mean? Like, this is. [00:07:06] Speaker A: This is why this really should be a video podcast, you know? [00:07:10] Speaker B: I mean, though, like, look, this is not. Holy shit, you're hairy, bro. [00:07:19] Speaker A: Yeah, that's. That's why I have trouble. That's why I have trouble keeping the pubes taken care of, because the. The longest guard I have for my manscaper still makes me look comparatively bald down there, like, right next to my stomach. So it just looks like I got wax in the very middle. [00:07:44] Speaker B: Get. Get used to it and keep. Keep getting rid of it, bro. [00:07:48] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm gonna. [00:07:49] Speaker B: Miami was like, hey, just get rid of it all. And I was like, but then I look like I'm 12 years old when I'm not erect. And she was like, get rid of it. So I did. Now I shave everything. Not my arms and legs, of course, but, you know, I shave. I shave the chest, the belly, the butt. Yeah, I've always shaved the butt. I've never. Okay, so I shaved everything but the butt. I'm sorry. I shaved everything but the belly and chest. I always felt like that kind of hid behind the hair, but she was just like, nah, get rid of it. I've always shaved. Whoops. I've all. I've. I've commonly shaved my butt. Um, especially when I'm with someone that I know likes to lick butt, like, oh, my God. I'm shaving. I'm shaving. [00:08:38] Speaker A: But for sure, I'm gonna. For her sake, I'm gonna take that out. [00:08:43] Speaker B: Why? She doesn't. No, she doesn't do that. But she. [00:08:46] Speaker A: She doesn't do. I thought you were. I thought you were saying she currently did that. [00:08:50] Speaker B: No, no, no, no. I shave. [00:08:52] Speaker A: I was like. I was like, dude, I got. Like, we cannot air that out. [00:08:57] Speaker B: Well, no, I mean, like, if. If. If she was into it, I would still shave. However, I. I shaved originally for her because, remember, I went and got a colonoscopy. [00:09:11] Speaker A: Right. [00:09:11] Speaker B: And so she's only seen it, really, at the beginning of my career. Shaved, so. [00:09:18] Speaker A: Career. [00:09:19] Speaker B: Yeah. So now I. Now I keep it shaved. I mean, she's not into the whole. But I'm saying in the past, if someone took a little visit down there. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm shaving. Mm. Frequently. Too frequently. I love a little rim liquor. [00:09:40] Speaker A: I love how that's the first thing you say after you open your window just so everyone could be in on that. A little rim licker. Oh, boy. Yeah, man, I fully shaved is rough for me. [00:10:04] Speaker B: I feel. Let's talk about this for a minute before we get into pseudonyms, okay? All right. So you're not a fully shaved kind of guy. I like everything trimmed short. Yeah. [00:10:19] Speaker A: So do I keep it short? [00:10:20] Speaker B: Yep. Keep it clean. No one wants a swamp down there. You know what I'm saying? [00:10:27] Speaker A: Nah, nah. And it is so much better. Like, if I skip a shower, it doesn't smell as bad when I'm. When I'm trimmed up. [00:10:38] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Okay. I thought you were about to say something else. [00:10:43] Speaker A: Oh, also, I got a hack for you if you ever skip a shower. [00:10:46] Speaker B: What's this? Crocodile roll up? [00:10:50] Speaker A: No, roll up some toilet paper and get, like, a good, you know, little cushion. Two little cushions, and stick them between your leg and your ball sack. Like, tuck them up there. When you sleep overnight, it absorbs all the moisture, and you wake up feeling fresh as a daisy. You're dry. You're dry. You're not. You're not sticky. Nothing. Doesn't even smell that bad. It's great. [00:11:25] Speaker B: Nice. Smoking a whiskey. [00:11:31] Speaker A: What are you smoking? [00:11:34] Speaker B: A whiskey. [00:11:36] Speaker A: Oh, Somehow you had a cigar going. [00:11:39] Speaker B: No, just some apple smoke. Top of the whiskey. [00:11:43] Speaker A: Nice. Got an Old Fashioned there. Is it just neat? [00:11:49] Speaker B: It's an Old Fashioned, yeah. [00:11:52] Speaker A: Nice. Yeah. I saw the orange peel, and I thought, mmm, I know that drink. [00:11:57] Speaker B: Oh, you see that? [00:12:01] Speaker A: I was. Yeah, man, it's looking good. I was gonna go to Tobacco Barn. But it turns out it's, it's, it's under new ownership, I think. Changed. [00:12:17] Speaker B: I was just gonna ask you if Mark still owns that. [00:12:21] Speaker A: I don't know. It might be the same owner, but they changed the name and the layout's a little different. [00:12:29] Speaker B: Nice. Great place. Too smoky, though. Too smoky for, for cigar lounge. Like their ventilation wasn't the greatest. [00:12:42] Speaker A: Yeah, it's one of the only places I've really been in, so I don't have much to compare it to, but it was heavy in there. Like it was damp. [00:12:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:54] Speaker A: Like the. Obviously you got the humidors going. That's, that's, that's necessary. But like it felt swampy. [00:13:02] Speaker B: Yeah. Throw away your clothes after, you know what I mean? Like. Yeah, you're gonna smell like you, you went into a. Like someone rolled you in a cigar for a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. [00:13:12] Speaker A: Even just in and out, dude, Even if I just ran right in to get a bag of pipe tobacco and right back out smelling for the day. [00:13:21] Speaker B: I'm not gonna lie. I'm. I'm pretty disappointed out here. There's not a lot of pipe tobacco places that sell pipe tobacco. Like, the nearest one is, I want to say, like 30, 40 minutes away. [00:13:33] Speaker A: That's, that's unfortunate. [00:13:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:36] Speaker A: And I just, I looked online at the prices, and it's $33 for an 8 ounce bag of pipe tobacco. It was like, I think I got 10 ounces for $10 in Oklahoma. [00:13:52] Speaker B: Well, you're talking about Oklahoma. I'm sure there's a bunch of pipe smokers out there. [00:14:00] Speaker A: Not too. There was maybe two cigar shops near my house. [00:14:06] Speaker B: Yeah. But I mean, like, I bet there's more men that smoke pipe tobacco out there than there are. Yeah. Than there are in California. Like per capita. [00:14:14] Speaker A: Probably. Probably. Yeah. But I'm going on. I. Good news, bad news. I get a long time off for Christmas, but because I'm a temporary employee, I don't get paid for it. So I'm getting a nice long break. So I thought, what's long pipe tobacco, ma? From the 23rd to the 5th. [00:14:38] Speaker B: No. Yeah. See, I'm off from the 20. I'm off from the 24th. I work the 24th and then I come back to work on the 29th for three days. And then, then I'm off for another four days to the 5th. [00:15:01] Speaker A: It's not a terrible break. [00:15:04] Speaker B: It's not. I deal. [00:15:07] Speaker A: No, but you're getting paid for it. So that's, there's, there's sort of an upside there. [00:15:12] Speaker B: Yeah. But even if I don't, I get paid for it. Even if I don't work for three weeks, I still get paid. [00:15:20] Speaker A: Oh, I. I figured it out. Don't work. You should work if you're gonna get. [00:15:24] Speaker B: Right. I should take three. I should say, hey, I'm taking vacation. But Stretch Marks is taking vacation already. He's leaving from the 22nd. 22nd to like the second. [00:15:37] Speaker A: His family doesn't live there, right? He lives. He's from somewhere else. [00:15:41] Speaker B: I mean. No, he was born and raised here, man. I think that's why he's so, so gay. He was born and raised here. [00:15:52] Speaker A: Is that a. Is that a thing in Arizona? Is guys being gay? [00:15:58] Speaker B: No, dude, it's just. [00:15:59] Speaker A: I thought it was just Mexican. [00:16:01] Speaker B: No, I just. It's just Arizona. I just. I hate this place. Why? Dude, it's. I don't know, 230 degrees in. In like six, seven months out of the year. Just sucks. [00:16:16] Speaker A: That bad? Seven months? [00:16:20] Speaker B: It's. It's. Okay. So everybody's like, oh, it's really only bad. No, it, it's. This is the first year and it's because of all the rains that we've actually had, like, cool October, like a cool Halloween. You know what I mean? Halloween's past. Like you're fucking sweating balls, just taking your kid trick or treating because it's 102 outside, you know, I mean, 8 o' clock at night, it's 102. You're just like this. This is horrible. So usually it starts in, you know, like it's, it's. It's hot until October, November, November. End of November. Sometimes now it picks back up in like, I don't know, March or April. Just sucks, bro. Just sucks. [00:17:13] Speaker A: That is like seven months. Yeah, I did. I don't know why I thought that the summers were just very extreme. And it lasted, like, into the fall. But then, like, the rest of the year was kind of normal. [00:17:27] Speaker B: When it's nice, it's nice. Don't get me wrong. Yeah, when it's nice, it's nice. However, you think in certain parts, you know, like Prescott, but not. [00:17:37] Speaker A: Not where you're at. [00:17:39] Speaker B: Nah. No, no, not at all. Not all. Even when Phoenix got hail this last last month, we didn't see none of that money. Nothing. Nothing else down here. What? [00:17:59] Speaker A: I love your phrasing sometimes. We didn't see none of that money. [00:18:07] Speaker B: Hold on. She made me a bracelet and I'm stuck. [00:18:13] Speaker A: Who made you a bracelet? [00:18:15] Speaker B: Number four. [00:18:17] Speaker A: Nice. [00:18:17] Speaker B: First off, first of all, that sucks. Snag the hat, all that might be jumbled because my mic is on my hat and I took it off for a minute. She, she like comes out. She's been having me tie bracelets for the last couple days. So we let her. I let her open a. We did early Christmas because number three's boyfriend is, was, is going to Australia. He's in Australia. He'll be there for like two weeks. And Stretch Marks is going to Pennsylvania for however, 22nd to the second. So we're like, dude, like, oh, and Miami sun's going to be in town from the 17th, which is tonight until like the 4th or 5th. So like we're kind of being sensitive to that. So we, we're not going to really have a regular, you know, and I'm sure she's gonna be with him on Christmas. Kind of weird. Introduce the new boyfriend on Christmas, you know, I mean, like around Christmas time. So we're just trying. Yeah, so we're just trying to, you know, wait that out. And so like this, we were like, hey, before all this stuff starts happening, he leaves Australia, he lives Pennsylvania. And you're, you know, hooked up with the sun for a minute. Let's do Christmas. And so we let the girls open a couple gifts. But then it would gay. It gave us opportunity to give their, their gifts to them, you know, so it was cool. We haven't even done an intro yet, dude. I don't know what the topic is. So I don't have, I don't have a name picked out for you or anything right now. You know, I mean, like, I'm so like floating in my head like, well, if we go Christmas or we go holidays, you know, if we go manscaping, you know, it was all over. I didn't know what to say. [00:20:05] Speaker A: Oh, you were telling a story about why you have a bracelet. [00:20:09] Speaker B: Thanks. So I'm tying bracelets all weekend, right? Oh yeah, that's why she got open her bracelet. [00:20:17] Speaker A: That was her gift. [00:20:18] Speaker B: Yeah. So she's, she's coming out like, hey, will you tie this? So the first one she comes out with, it's all beads on a string, guys. Beads on a string she comes out with. And it's a stretchy string. It's the right kind of. I mean it's kind of like a, like a silicone looking string she comes out with. It's all done up. She like, that took me so long to make. Like, can you just tie this? I'm like, yeah, dude, heck yeah. Start to and it like, I go to pull and like it, like, pulls back beads everywhere. [00:20:48] Speaker A: Oh. Oh, no. [00:20:49] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, no. [00:20:50] Speaker A: So she's like, did she cry? [00:20:53] Speaker B: No, she took it like a champ. Cause I was like, oh, my gosh, I'm so sorry. And I was helping her pick it up, and Stretch Marks was here, and he was like, oh, man. You know, he was making, like. Trying to make her feel like, oh, that's. We get a dude all over again. That's so cool. Like, maybe you could change things, whatever. And then. So she's been coming out. [00:21:12] Speaker A: She should have just looked at him. Been like, no, stretch marks. No, not you. [00:21:19] Speaker B: So she picked. We pick up. We pick them all up. We give them to her. She goes in her room. So she's been coming out. So then, like, Miami comes over, and she was, hey, I made you a bracelet. Miami's like, really? She was like, yeah, let me go get it. She comes back out with it. It's black and silver and white. Pretty cool. Like, it's got. It looks right. And it was like, black, black, dark gray, white, black, black, silver. It was cool. It had a couple charms on it, you know, Had a. A little ship wheel. You know, like a ship's wheel. Rad for the Navy. Pretty cool kit, right? So she's got the Navy on there. And then I know she doesn't know what it means, but she put it on the bracelets that. It's that, like, hand with the eyeball. You know what I'm talking about? [00:22:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:09] Speaker B: It's got the hand with the two thumbs. Yeah. No, it's like. I feel like it's India, like, Indian type Buddhist. You know what I'm talking about? [00:22:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:20] Speaker B: It's like a hand that's got, like, two opposite thumbs and an eyeball in the middle. And, like, Kyrie Irving's really into it, but it's more of, like, a Zen type of. Of. It is what it is. You know? But at the same time, like, we don't. We don't do wrong to others. You know what I'm saying? Anyhow, so that's it. [00:22:40] Speaker A: I'd rock it. Little girl made it. I'd rock it. Whatever. [00:22:43] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm not letting that hold any control over me rocking it, right? So then I'm like, hey, what. What did you make? Did you make me one? She said, yeah, yeah, let me go get it. I'm like, all right. Mind you, she's coming out, having me tie RJ's. You know what I'm saying? Because she broke RJ. So I'm like, okay, I'm like, RJ's got one. Miami's got one. Like, what about me? Like, do I got one? So she comes out. She's like, yeah, yeah. She comes out, and she comes out with one. It's like, I put it on over my hand. I'm like, I think I might break it. Get on my hand, dude. I got, like, open gaps where you just see string. You know what I mean? Like, And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I was like, dude, did you really make this for me? She was like, yeah, I feel like this is one you had. And you were like, oh, shoot, you're. [00:23:39] Speaker A: Kicking the tires on her. Gift. [00:23:43] Speaker B: Her hills, dude. [00:23:45] Speaker A: This is a regulation, dude. [00:23:47] Speaker B: She comes out with, like, RJ's is all blue and, God, you know, I mean, like, it had, like, some sequence to it, the black and silver. I mean, it was looking good. She comes out with one that's, like, red and purple and orange. No seek. It was just. It was like, one. It was like maybe one of her first two where she kind of started to understand the system. Was like, I'll give this one to Natalie. Know what I mean? Like, that could have this one. And then when dad was like, oh, did you make me one? She's like, yeah, yeah, I did. Goes and grabs Natalie's and gives it to me. So I was like, hey, dude. Like, I feel like. [00:24:25] Speaker A: I mean, she thinks on her feet, dude. [00:24:27] Speaker B: I'm like, I feel like that's what you did. And she was like, you're right. And I was like, okay. Like, hey, just take it back. Because I said, look, I got just string right here. So she was like, dude, so she gets back. She's like, man, you really stretched that out. I was like, well, you said it was mine. She was, yeah, for like, two minutes, it was yours. Okay, but, like, wasn't yours. So she comes back out with, I. [00:24:51] Speaker A: Might have to give you a reshelfing fee for that one. [00:24:53] Speaker B: You know what I'm saying? So she comes out with this one. And I know it was on the fly because of the time frame. It's got a seashell on it, and it's got, like, an elephant and a barrel. But the rest is just. There's no. There's no rhyme or reason to the beads, you know? I mean, I was hoping she'd walk me through and be like, well, this brown one here is because you work with dirt, you know, and. Something cool. [00:25:22] Speaker A: Put a little thought into it. [00:25:24] Speaker B: No, she just threw a bunch on. Was like, this one's long enough. [00:25:28] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. But I'll sport it this one for Mommy's all red for the scarlet letter. It's got little a beads. Really put some thought into it that's really made specifically for her. [00:25:49] Speaker B: Yeah. So. [00:25:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:50] Speaker B: How you doing? [00:25:51] Speaker A: This is, this is pseudonyms. Dude. I, I, I don't know if this week's a good week. [00:25:57] Speaker B: 28, Mark. Yeah. [00:26:00] Speaker A: I don't know if this is a good week to get into this, but I did want to bounce this off you before anyone else. [00:26:10] Speaker B: I love an opportunity. [00:26:11] Speaker A: I don't, I don't think you're gonna be something down when I actually say it. [00:26:15] Speaker B: No. What's up? [00:26:16] Speaker A: I think you will shoot it down. So I, I have really been struggling to find a church since we came out here. [00:26:25] Speaker B: Oh, go ahead. [00:26:29] Speaker A: What do you. Hold on. I want to know what you think I'm gonna say. [00:26:32] Speaker B: I don't know what you're going to say. I know where I'm currently at, so I'll share after you share because I'm kind of feeling where you're at. [00:26:40] Speaker A: Okay. So the natural option, I mean, it's a good church. It's two miles from me. It's where all of my people from the last church ended up after that church dissolved. It's good church, but there's, like, is, it's not accommodating to us with a young child. There's no way for us to, like, corral her while also hearing the service. [00:27:07] Speaker B: This is CP's church. Yeah. [00:27:12] Speaker A: Is current where he's going right now. [00:27:15] Speaker B: Okay. Okay. But he's not the one. [00:27:18] Speaker A: He's not a pastor. No, no. That, that church closed and everyone pretty much got absorbed into this church. [00:27:25] Speaker B: And this church is not rbc. No. [00:27:29] Speaker A: This, this is Christ. It's Tim Thetford's church. [00:27:34] Speaker B: Oh, down at Roadie Heavers. [00:27:36] Speaker A: Yeah, It's. It's a great church. It's great church. Two huge reasons why I don't like it, and that is that they don't have any way for us to, like, deal with the kid and also hear service. Like, they don't even have speakers out in the courtyard. So that's like a huge thing because, like, she won't go to daycare, so we've got to kind of deal with her in a place where we can hear the service. And then they do communion once a month in an evening service at the time that she's going to bed. So I will never take communion with this church if I, if I go to this church. So that's like a Huge thing for me. So I've. I've been, you know, we. We were going to Mission Hills and that's like very kind of. [00:28:22] Speaker B: Wait. Mission Hills? [00:28:24] Speaker A: Yeah, that big one off Alicia. [00:28:27] Speaker B: Okay, okay, okay. [00:28:29] Speaker A: Not. Not. Not the one in. In rsm. And so, you know, we bridge now, right? [00:28:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:28:38] Speaker A: And I don't know if this is the same church, like they relocated or something, or if they just happen to have the same name. I didn't do my digging on that one, but it's, you know, it's just very blah and I stopped being into it. But I hate church shopping. I've never really had to church shop. Like, we did that a little bit in Oklahoma for a little while before we found a good church. But I get why everyone hates it. It's like very gross feeling to just like, go into a church and be like, super welcomed and everyone wants to talk to you and then just be like, nah, fuck it, I'm going somewhere else. Like, it does. It does hurt in that way, but. [00:29:18] Speaker B: So they're critiquing. You walk in like this, like, you walk in, like, okay, catch what's on their. Their, like, book, like, bookstore shelves, you know, like. Oh, shit. Rob Bell. No, no. Oh, furtick. No, I'm good on this place. Okay. I'll listen and I'll be out. You know what I mean? [00:29:39] Speaker A: I'm a head out. So I. On Sunday, I went to a Presbyterian church. I was aware of it because a buddy of mine who I shared an office with for two years, it's the church he goes to, and just there really was nothing, dude. Like, I was searching online for days during my downtime at work, just like, trying to see is there some, like, weird little church plant that's not. Got, like a big footprint that I might be able to find, you know? So I just went to the. To the PCA website and put in my zip code. This is the only PCA church in the area, so. And I might have to cut that out because then people will know where I go to church, but. So I went alone and it was like. It was the best, dude. The music was awesome. You know, it's like very. It's it's sort of like reverence music, but done way better if that were good. It's. It's. It's like that. Yeah, it's like. It's like hymns. It's very acoustic, but, like, great. It's just. Yeah, I. I like that. Personally, I know a lot of people don't like that kind of traditional Style in music. The sermon, 25 minutes. Perfect, dude. Perfect. Like, you cannot beat that. That is exactly the right amount of time to pay attention, get everything he said, not drift off. Like, great. And obviously it's Presbyterian, so we're doing communion every week. So I'm just like, this is it. I think I found my church. But obviously it's Presbyterian, so a huge, huge issue there is that, like, my family will probably not be able to become members unless we baptize our daughter. So I've spent the last couple. I've really reflected on, like, when I stopped believing in pedo baptism and like, what convinced me out of it. And I'm afraid that I'm biased because I want this church to work. So that's kind of why I'm bouncing it off you, because I think you'll be honest with me. But like, I'm thinking back on it and the situation when I stopped believing pedo baptism was that I was on the team. [00:32:18] Speaker B: For those listening, explain what that is, because. [00:32:21] Speaker A: Right, you're right. That's not a term. Everyone knows there's two positions in the church. There's credo baptism, paedobaptism. Credo baptism means you have to be a believer. No regerts. You gotta be. Not even one. Not even like one letter. [00:32:43] Speaker B: You've. Nah, I wish I did. [00:32:46] Speaker A: You've gotta be a professing believer and make a declaration of faith and then you're baptized. Pedo Baptist is the idea that children of believers are also part of the covenant. [00:33:01] Speaker B: Credo is there's a creed to it. You. You have to believe in the creed, then you get baptized. You're making pedo would be kids for kids. That's where we get like pedophilia from. Like PETO is. [00:33:15] Speaker A: Yes, kids. [00:33:16] Speaker B: So you don't believe in pedo because it takes any self accountability out of it, right? No. [00:33:26] Speaker A: Well, that's kind of what I was trying to get after is like I stopped believing in that. [00:33:32] Speaker B: Like, that's. Why would you not. Is that the reason why you stopped believing in it? [00:33:37] Speaker A: I. I would say that there's like. [00:33:40] Speaker B: You'Re trying to still talk yourself back into it. This is why you're like, no, not really. I mean. [00:33:47] Speaker A: I'm trying to think. I'm trying to word it in a way that would make sense to our listeners because it's. It's a deep thing. Basically it comes down to covenant theology, which is just a system for understanding the whole Bible. And while I would accept basically every part of covenant theology that the Presbyterians do. There are a couple of very key differences that are very minute, but their implications lead to much different positions on this particular issue of pato baptism. One being that Abraham has two covenants with God, not just one. The implications of that are huge. The circumcision is a completely different covenant than the one of his faith that they talk about in Galatians. So, like, there's a lot of little minute things like that that, down the road, affect what you believe about certain things. A lot. So. But that's part of the struggle is that I'm thinking back on it, and it's like, when I. Because I remember it being abrupt. Like, I remember it just being like a couple of days of wrestling with this issue. And I had kind of been convinced otherwise. And I was on a launch team for a church plant that had not planted yet, but a church plant that was upcoming probably like a month before we planted. And it was a Credo Baptist church. So it's like, I'm thinking back on it, and I'm like, gosh, I was. I had high. What do you call it? Incentive to stop believing Pedo baptism. At that time, like, I was about to be on a launch team for a Credo Baptist church, and I was thinking on, like, well, what are the verses that, like, convinced me of it? And it was like, really only one came to mind. And it was really just the implications of that one verse. And I started looking into it today, and. And then basically, I find myself in the exact same spot where it's like, I don't know if I can trust my own intellect here because I'm highly, highly incentivized to change back to the other position to make this church work. [00:36:12] Speaker B: I do do that sometimes in the sense of, you know, there. Yeah, I will do that sometimes. I will. I will definitely talk myself into. I almost see both sides where I'm like, I'm afraid to take a stance. You know what I mean? Because I can see both aspects of this. And I believed in this way so long. Was I wrong and believing that way? Cause I had. True. I had. I mean, I felt like I had a good argument why I stood there for so long, you know? Yeah. I'm not someone that just willy nilly goes with the. Well, that's what they're doing, you know? So it's kind of like, yeah, am I. Am I. I don't say too smart for myself. Am I overthinking this shit? But yes, am I, too? Is my intellect not enough to understand? Yeah. [00:37:06] Speaker A: And that's, that's ultimately, that's ultimately what I came down to is like I was probably quick, probably too quick to decide that I had figured this issue out and that there was no more debate to be had because we've been debating this particular issue for almost as long as the Protestant church has existed. Existed. Like the, the Baptists came about about a hundred years after the Reformation. So we're talking like the 1600s. So since the 1600s, we've been. Our best minds have been debating each other on whether we should be baptizing babies. And I, in 32 years on this earth and only about 10 of those devoted to reading up on this issue, I decided, yeah, I got this figured out. I'm done. It's kind of crazy. It's kind of crazy when you look back on it that way. Right? [00:38:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:09] Speaker A: I gotta go do something real quick. You can keep talking. [00:38:13] Speaker B: Oh, I was doing that at the beginning of this, this episode. Yeah, I'm kind of in that spot where I'm kind of like, where do I want to go to church? Like, I really liked the church I was going to, but then the pastor I really liked, he left to start a new church. Same, same like brand, just another, another one in another city. And the guy that's staying close don't like him so much. And so it's kind of like. And it, we went to the new church where the original pastor of the this one went. But it's, you know, it's, It's a good 30, 40 minute drive. I don't want that. [00:39:03] Speaker A: It's too far. [00:39:04] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:39:06] Speaker A: Especially if you're gonna try to do like a midweek thing, you know. [00:39:10] Speaker B: Yeah, well, we want to do a Saturday night thing, you know, going Saturday nights, you know, but then again, it's kind of like where you're at. It's like I shop a little different. I shop in the sense of sometimes I'll go and check them out and sometimes I'll go on their website and download a sermon. [00:39:31] Speaker A: Yeah, you know, well, I do that. I do that regardless. And then if they get past that stage, then I'll actually go visit. But it's rough out there, dude. I, I have a new sympathy for young families in the church because they've always been like my enemy in a lot of ways, dude. Like they, they have always been of all the demographics in the church, they are the ones bringing the down because they are so demanding of what they need out of a church. It has to do with what they can do for the church, it's all about their demands, the child care, their musical preferences, all this. It's always been this way, dude. And then, like, the second starts going sideways for them, they're out. And, like, I've. You know, as a loyalist to many churches now, most. You know, some of them we've been together with on. It just sickened me the way that they would just drop a church so quickly for things that I just did not think were a big deal. And now I find myself in a place where it's like, yeah, if you don't have speakers in the courtyard, I think I'm out. I don't think I could do this, but. But literally, like, you are. You are. And I'm not saying they're doing this on purpose, but, like, by not having speakers in the courtyard, you chose to make it impossible for me to. To partake in the service. You know what I mean? So, like, it's not that crazy. Like, most churches have that technology, and yet, like, you just decided not to do that. And I don't think you're gonna do. I don't think you're gonna change that just for me. So later, you know, and I'm not. I'm not coming back on Sunday nights to take communion. You should be doing it every week. So I don't know what to tell you. You know what I mean? [00:41:35] Speaker B: That is pretty funny. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I could see that. Because as a young man coming up in the church, you're kind of, like, looking at them like, oh, my gosh. You hards. Like, you know, like, for sure. Like, you're looking. You're looking at them like, dude, like, the. The luggage you come with, you know, is. It's. It's not really worth it for me. Yeah. So here's where I'm at, dude. Like, I. I really have a passion to kind of. Not do church, but do church. Like, I do know I need to get back into going to the men's group and going to church itself, but. Sorry. With stretch marks, though, and, like, this other kid at. At work, there's just so many. Like, it's great having stretch marks and number three work there because, like, we get to talk about it. They talk about it a lot, which gets. And then, like, when I'm not around, they're talking to, like, the guys working on the floor about it, and they've got a couple guys to go to church with them, and it's. It's cool. And I think I get a lot more out of that sometimes. Sometimes than going to just a church service. Like, I just. Some church services, man. Like, some are just so theatrical. Others, I'm like, ah, it's. It's a lot of work, man. It's a lot of pressure. [00:43:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Like choosing a church. [00:43:24] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:43:27] Speaker A: Yeah. It's just. [00:43:31] Speaker B: You kind of have to. Have to discernment while doing it. Yeah. [00:43:35] Speaker A: And then that. That really makes me question, like, am I doing any of this right? Like, should I just choose the church closest to my house and just stick with them for good or for ill? [00:43:50] Speaker B: You know? [00:43:50] Speaker A: I mean, like, in the old days, that's what you would have to do. Like, you. Yeah, you had to walk to church and there was one in town, you know, so it's like, you know, I. I don't even know if we're supposed to have the options to shop or if it's like a sanctifying thing. What I don't get the shit out. [00:44:11] Speaker B: What I don't get is going to a church that is more than 15 to 20 minutes from your house. Once you're over that limit, like, you're not, like, you're not really benefiting the church. [00:44:28] Speaker A: You're not in community with them. [00:44:30] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. If everybody lived over, like, 25 to 30 minutes from church, the likelihood that they're all in the same neighborhood. Not likely. [00:44:40] Speaker A: No. [00:44:40] Speaker B: They're not running into each other in common life. [00:44:44] Speaker A: No, not at all. Well, so holidays. I don't know. What do you think? What do you think? You think I'm just, like, trying to make this work? You think I'm just. [00:44:58] Speaker B: No, man. I mean, I was actually thinking. I was actually thinking you're going back to the Presbyterian Church. [00:45:06] Speaker A: I think I'm gonna. [00:45:08] Speaker B: Ah, that's a sticky road, man. Like, we get off on. We. We question people on. Oh, so you think a woman should be a pastor? I don't think this is my church. But then it's like, now God. God gave Abraham more than one covenant. This is all. And we're like, that one's Old Testament. I'm cool with that one. I could live with that one. You don't allow women to be pastors, though, right? Yeah. I'm all for you going back, dude. That's what I'm saying. I question kind of where I'm at right now, you know? I mean, like, how much of it was off just because we were. We were directed that way? [00:45:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:45:51] Speaker B: How much of it was not off, but we were still directed that way, you know? Yeah, it's a lot of. It's A lot of, like, looking at, like, again, because they tell you their Israel view. To me now, in chapter whatever, seven or nine of seven. Is it eight? Seven, eight, nine? I think it's nine. Romans nine. And how they're like, 11. Yeah, yeah. And they're like, hey, like, that's not. That's. I don't know if they take the stance of that is Israel or that is the church. Like, you can't replace Israel with the church or. So how does Calvary look at that? [00:46:30] Speaker A: The olive tree. You're talking about. [00:46:36] Speaker B: Romans 9, 11 is about Israel. [00:46:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:40] Speaker B: Some people would replace Israel with the. The body now. Believers now. [00:46:46] Speaker A: Well, it's. It's about both the. The analogy that Paul uses is the olive tree with the natural branches and the wild branches. [00:46:54] Speaker B: Yes. But what does Calvary stance on it? [00:46:59] Speaker A: Honestly, Calvary would probably misinterpret that to be that the tree is Israel and that we're still the wild branches being grafted onto it. But, like, we're just part of. Of Israel's thing. But more accurately, it's Jesus is the tree. The natural branches that originally grew on that tree were Israel, but they were cut off, which is a huge part of it. They always kind of gloss over that the branches are cut off, and then they're grafted back on as well as wild branches, such as us, who are not Jews are grafted back onto the tree as well. [00:47:41] Speaker B: So they look at it the first way. Yeah, yeah. So did I for so long because of that. Where I'm just like, now I got to read it and just read it for myself. [00:47:54] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:47:55] Speaker B: Because I'm not an idiot. I can read and be like, oh, clearly he's talking about this. Okay. You know, this is not, you know, so I get that. And that's. But under the lens of, like, them telling you how. What is. What. No, that's not. Because the. The. The Greek word right there and the way it's. It's. It's not. It's referring to. You're just like, oh, okay. [00:48:18] Speaker A: Well, dude. So I've got this friend who is really fired up. He's. He became an Anglican and he. [00:48:29] Speaker B: I know a couple of those. Yeah. Yeah. [00:48:32] Speaker A: I don't. I've. I've had to actually go on YouTube and watch videos about it because I thought I knew what Anglicanism is, and it's a lot different than I thought it was. But he. We still have a forthcoming conversation where he wants to tell me, like, all about how he became an Anglican and all this stuff. And he wants to talk about all the theology and stuff, but just in the little bit that I've talked to him, I've already picked up on this thing where he. What he specifically said was, we don't realize that our entire interpretive structure for the Bible is influenced by the Enlightenment. And so basically, we've been taught to interpret this stuff for ourself, for empirical evidence for all this stuff. Like, we are a lone wolf just interpreting this thing all by ourselves, when in reality, it was always meant to be interpreted with tradition. So it's like a very Catholic argument that, like, tradition is sort of on the same shelf with the Bible and looking back on it, dude, like, that's basically what Calvary was teaching us. But they just claimed that it was verse by verse, chapter by chapter. You know what I mean? It was. It was almost like a mantra that they instilled in us to convince us that they were teaching it. They were letting it speak for itself, when in reality, specifically on Israel stuff, they were wildly misinterpreting things and. And just sort of beating that into us as if that was letting the text speak for itself, you know? Mm. Yep. [00:50:13] Speaker B: That'S exactly what I'm finding where I'm finding myself. And it's just like, how nuts is that, dude? It's crazy. [00:50:21] Speaker A: What are. What are the odds that you hit up a PCA church and then we'll both be Presbyterian, dude. So, dude, we're double. Okay, I will say this because the. Because this is. [00:50:38] Speaker B: I go to Baptist. [00:50:41] Speaker A: Presbyterian is basically the definition of Reformed. Like, the guy. The guy who founded the Presbyterian Church was a apprentice of John Calvin. So it's like they're about as close to the source as you can get. The Westminster Confession, that is the Presbyterian Confession. So, like, they are basically the definition of Reformed theology. And the rest of us are all just sort of straying a little bit from what they teach. But, yeah, it's Covenant theology, it's Calvinism, the solas, the Westminster Confession, pedo baptism, the. The sacraments are a means of grace, all that stuff. That's all kind of the. The Presbyterian thing. And really, for years now, my only quibble with them was the baptism thing. I'm pretty much on board with everything else. That's why it's so easy to just be like, ah, if I just let this one domino fall that I'm pretty much just in. I pretty much just fully on board. [00:51:56] Speaker B: And you haven't taken the wife yet? [00:51:59] Speaker A: No, no. I'm hoping she'll go, son, what is she even saved. Oh, you know, sometimes I wonder. No, but that's. That's another thing is that I've got a real uphill battle with that one if. If this is the direction we end up going, because she is never going for the Pato Baptist thing. That ain't happening. [00:52:26] Speaker B: Why, have you sold her too hard on the other one? [00:52:32] Speaker A: No, we don't. We've. [00:52:34] Speaker B: We've. [00:52:35] Speaker A: We don't talk about theology a lot because we did when we first started dating. And she's pretty hardcore when you're having an argument with her. She's aggressive, hurtful, irrational. You know, so, like, she's not a Calvinist. So, like, we would argue about Calvinism when we first started dating, and I just stopped. Like, we haven't talked about theology in years because I just don't even want to get it. Like. Like, I just know from experience we probably disagree on everything. So, like, don't even bring it up, like, outside of, like, the divinity of Christ and the Trinity and stuff. Like, we're probably gonna disagree about it, but we. We broached the topic of pedo baptism a couple times, and she would just say something like, I can't believe you ever believed that. And then I would be like, well, you know, I mean, like, the way they see it is kind of this, that, and the other. And then I'd catch myself and I'd be like, yeah, but I'm not really trying to make an argument for it, so I guess I'll just stop. Like, I don't know why. I'm, like. I'm just falling back into the same arguments that I used to make. But, like, I think. I don't think she gets it. To be fair, she went to a Baptist college, and I. I don't think Baptists get the position, but I think. [00:54:03] Speaker B: That'S how we against as men always think. I don't think she gets it. [00:54:09] Speaker A: Well, I only. I only say that because of the arguments she makes against it. You know, she. The other day, she said Jesus was an adult when he got baptized. And I was like, it's a very good point. It has nothing to do with beta baptism whatsoever. But, like, I see why that's a good point, you know, in your understanding of the issue. You know, so it's stuff like that. It's like. It's like. I watched a video today by Douglas Wilson. Actually, I'm gonna send you this video because it's, like, 15 minutes, and it's probably the best explanation of it I've seen. But he Was breaking down, like, are there any verses that specifically say that babies should be baptized? No. Are there any verses that specifically forbid it? No. And he's like, so it kind of seems like we're on an even playing field, but we're not looking at baptism verses. We're looking at verses about covenants, about children, about families, about. About this, that the. And he just lists, like, all the things that do support the position. And it's like, yeah, that's kind of why the other side doesn't really get the issue, because to them, it's all about baptism and not all of the things that are kind of implied by that in general, you know? [00:55:31] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, I'd like to hear that, because I. I kind of would argue against that. So hopefully he could break down my mental argument that I just had. [00:55:40] Speaker A: Yeah, I'll send it to you for sure. You want to get into holidays? Look, I've talked to your ear off enough. [00:55:49] Speaker B: Look, I think we did a good job because holidays, pretty basic. Okay. Looked it up. We started out with five. Started out with five holidays. Okay. [00:56:00] Speaker A: Like in America. [00:56:03] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, I mean, like, apparently we had Thanksgiving, but, like, the first Thanksgiving didn't take place for, like, a ways. But when we became like, our own place and was like, hey, don't fuck with us anymore, we had five holidays. Do you know what those five were? [00:56:24] Speaker A: So Thanksgiving was not one of them. [00:56:28] Speaker B: Why. Why would you say that? [00:56:30] Speaker A: I thought that's what you just said. [00:56:33] Speaker B: No, no, I mean, like, Thanksgiving as we see it today was not what it was when it first started. Okay, that's what I meant. [00:56:40] Speaker A: So then we're talking post revolution. We had five. I'm gonna assume Christmas and New Year's. We're still in. I want to say Halloween came in more after, like, Irish immigration, so I'm gonna say more toward the 1800s is when we started doing Halloween. So freaking A. Easter had to be a thing. Oh, you know what? You know what? [00:57:11] Speaker B: No, no, no, no. All these fire were. Were put into place in 1870s. So these five, that. [00:57:22] Speaker A: That changes things. [00:57:23] Speaker B: Right, Right. [00:57:24] Speaker A: Because I was guessing Halloween, 1800s, I think. I think Easter and Christmas might even be off the table because we were so Protestant when we first started as a nation that the idea that we would have these Catholic holidays would have been, like, sacrilege on the. On the government level. So, like, I'm not even sure that those are included here. [00:57:47] Speaker B: Was the crazy thing about it. These holidays were only for government Employees in Washington, D.C. in the District of Columbia. They were the Only ones that got off. So like banks in California, they worked these so called holidays. It was only those that worked in Washington D.C. that were able to get it off. So the first five congressionally designated federal holidays were. And I'll. I'm gonna name them more in order. New Year's Day. [00:58:22] Speaker A: Okay. [00:58:24] Speaker B: George Washington's birthday. Eye roll. [00:58:31] Speaker A: I hate the hero worship. I actually like George Washington a lot, but the hero worship makes me sick. [00:58:37] Speaker B: Yeah, I get that. But if you're going to give it to any president, why not the first? [00:58:43] Speaker A: Sure. [00:58:43] Speaker B: And it's not President's Day. There is no President's Day. [00:58:47] Speaker A: It's George Washington's birthday and then Lincoln is like the week after or something. So then they just combined it into President's Day. [00:58:57] Speaker B: I thought I remember having two presidents birthdays growing up. But it does change at some point. [00:59:03] Speaker A: Well, I'm glad that we, we gave a holiday to the worst president ever as well as George Washington. [00:59:10] Speaker B: Who's the worst? [00:59:12] Speaker A: Abraham Lincoln. [00:59:13] Speaker B: Oh, you dick. [00:59:17] Speaker A: It's. It's because of state stuff. It's not racism. [00:59:22] Speaker B: State stuff. Not racism. Dude, I get now why the Confederate flag is so insulting to people. [00:59:34] Speaker A: Because they're, I mean they're essentially saying that the, the government is not valid, right? [00:59:42] Speaker B: No, because the, because the Federation. [00:59:51] Speaker A: The. Are you talking about? [00:59:54] Speaker B: Yeah, it was all right back in the. [00:59:56] Speaker A: I will say just, just because I opened that can of worms. I, I obviously am an, am an anarchist. I think slavery is like reprehensible and slave owners should be killed. But Abraham Lincoln really did strengthen the federal government and basically got 600,000Americans killed because he did not want to let slaves states leave the Union. He wanted to preserve the Union. In fact, he said if I could preserve the Union without freeing a single slave, I would do it. That's why he's the worst president ever. Got half a million people killed for nothing. And look at us now. [01:00:35] Speaker B: Not one slave owner. [01:00:38] Speaker A: No, that's not what I meant. I bet I met. [01:00:45] Speaker B: Obviously now they just run free. [01:00:47] Speaker A: The federal government is out of control. [01:00:49] Speaker B: Out there walking amongst us, just out there buying food. Where I buy food. [01:00:55] Speaker A: Oh my God. They're playing basketball and forced cream pieing our women. [01:01:02] Speaker B: All right, so first one was New Year's Day. Then it was George Washington's birthday, Independence Day, Thanksgiving Day and Christmas Day. [01:01:14] Speaker A: All right, it's a pretty good run, right? [01:01:19] Speaker B: It's not bad. It's not bad. It's flooded now. Oh, it's so flooded now. [01:01:26] Speaker A: There's one a month, sometimes two. [01:01:30] Speaker B: But here's the thing. None of them apply. They're not national holidays. No, they're federal holidays. Yeah, there's a difference. National, you get it off no matter what. Federal. You don't get it off, but they do. Any federal agency is closed, but you don't get it off Paid. They get it off paid. It's up to the state whether they want to acknowledge that as like a paid day off. So. Yeah, and then most of the. The things fell on certain dates. And then basically in 1968, they shifted everything to the first Monday or last Monday of. You know, they like. It just stayed a certain day, usually a Monday, you know, that's why Labor Day, Memorial Day, Veterans Day, they all fall on a Monday. So, yeah, it was kind of crazy. You know, they basically brought in some of these holidays to, like, try and amp up the economy, you know, like, they wanted people to appreciate working, so they were like, yeah, let's give them this day, Labor Day. Let's give them Labor Day, Labor Day. Let them know we acknowledge. For real. Zeus says it was to emphasize some great event or principle in the minds of the people by giving them a day of rest and recreation, a day of enjoyment. In commemoration of it. By honoring labor with a holiday, the committee suggested the nation will assure that the nobility of labor be maintained. Bullshit. [01:03:24] Speaker A: That's fucking communist propaganda to me. [01:03:30] Speaker B: You know, I'm saying they've been putting this shit in our water all the time. Fucking drink it. You know, I'm saying it's a great. [01:03:38] Speaker A: Way to say that is. Is big country still not gonna celebrate Christmas. [01:03:45] Speaker B: So I did talk to her the other day. I said, hey, I wanted to reach out, you know, I wanted to. So I said, hey, you know, court order says I get the kids Christmas morning, 10am Then I return number four on the 30th, which is Tuesday. So usually we go Friday to Friday. So now we'd be picking her up on Thursday, dropping off Tuesday. And I was like, but I didn't know if you wanted to just stick to what we agreed to before, where we're. No matter what it says, we're week on, week off, and if we disagree on a holiday, we'll refer to the court orders. And so I was like, but call me if you want to discuss. So she called and she was all, you know, nice. Invited me to go to church. You know, like, just right. [01:04:47] Speaker A: Anyhow, I'm cool. [01:04:56] Speaker B: So. [01:04:57] Speaker A: Favorite. Favorite Dave Chappelle quote ever. [01:05:02] Speaker B: I love when you do it. So like, we talked about the holiday, and you Know, we got that schedule worked out, and then it was just like. I mean, like, she wanted to talk about the gifts and just everything, and I was just like, oh, my gosh, like, inviting her. Inviting me to church. I was just. I just was like, oh, cool. I'm good. Thank you, though. Like, I just. I didn't engage back, like. Oh, yeah, really? Okay. Well, I've been struggling to find a church, so, you know, maybe I'd. No, no, no. I was like, no, I appreciate that, but I'm good. No, I appreciate that, but I'm good. There's this constant that, you know. Yeah. So big country. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just going to pick them up Thursday, dude. So she's going to do. She's going to take Christmas Eve, I'm going to take Christmas Day, and then going forward, I'll have every Christmas Eve. She'll have every Christmas Day, which is what I prefer. I asked for Christmas Eve. Really? Yeah. Why? We always did, like, big family events on Christmas Eve. Like, we always invited friends over. Like, that was the night that people could still hang out. You know what I mean? Like, you know, they weren't home in bed yet, so, like, our families always did a big Christmas Eve, and then everybody went home to their. Their beds and did Christmas morning as their individual families. And so I think I'm gonna bring that back, dude. They're gonna host. I'm gonna start hosting some Christmas events where, you know, I invite young people like you guys if you want, for the weekend, stretch marks, some. Some guys from work, you know, maybe the boss say if you guys want to get together and just, like, play some bingo, some white elephant gifts, you know? Yeah. You know, I'm saying, like, everybody, you know, just kind of come together and enjoy some good cook some good cooked food and some fun, you know, the night before for Christmas. [01:07:13] Speaker A: Nice. [01:07:14] Speaker B: And then bring whatever gifts for anybody you want to bring, you know, I think we did as a family. So, dude, I got a couple of these. [01:07:22] Speaker A: Dude. [01:07:22] Speaker B: Dixon. [01:07:22] Speaker A: Bro, it looks really comfortable, but I'm just, like, picturing the whole vibe. Like, it should be, like. It should be, like, satin and. And you should have, like, your old fashioned. Yep, there it is. [01:07:38] Speaker B: Got the plaid. Plaid pajama bottoms, dude. You know what I'm saying? [01:07:42] Speaker A: Presenting. But like that. [01:07:44] Speaker B: So I did do this Christmas Eve party. I did do the satin, and a lot of people thought it was gay. [01:07:52] Speaker A: No, a lot of them. [01:07:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, dude. And it was like. And don't get me wrong, I know Liberace was gay. [01:08:00] Speaker A: He Was also. [01:08:01] Speaker B: I know. [01:08:01] Speaker A: He was also awesome. [01:08:04] Speaker B: Yeah. So there's a. I have a pair that they remind me of, like something you'd find in Libra. [01:08:10] Speaker A: Liberace knew how to throw an outfit together, I'll give him that. [01:08:14] Speaker B: You know what I'm saying? I know it was a gay outfit, but check it out. It was like a Versace, you know, I mean, like, it's. It's. It's a gold ornament, like, kind of paisley design on top of, like, blue, a dark blue, but it's satin. And people sometimes look at and they're like, that looks so gay. Like, you look like, what are you trying to do? And it's just like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You wouldn't know. Taste of you in the face. So back the up. [01:08:48] Speaker A: This was your daughter's boyfriend, wasn't it? [01:08:52] Speaker B: No, this was. [01:08:53] Speaker A: I'm trying to think of who you would speak to. [01:08:55] Speaker B: That sister's boyfriend and her best friend. Like, they were sitting there, like, joking about it, and I'm like, however, it hit me a little bit where I haven't worn them since. But, you know, when I get a bond back, I'm throwing them on. [01:09:14] Speaker A: Own it, dude. It's sensual. It has nothing to do with your bourgeois understanding of style, okay? You are so beneath this very sexual lifestyle that you're living. And by you, I mean the people who are criticizing you and. And. And you living this sensual, awesome Playboy lifestyle, they don't appreciate you. [01:09:47] Speaker B: That's what holds me back from wearing thongs. [01:09:51] Speaker A: What holds you back from it? [01:09:55] Speaker B: You know, them not, you know, first it's the pants, then it's the thongs. You know, you stop wearing the stuff you normally wear. Yeah, no, I kid about the thongs only because that was a Friends episode. However, didn't get it. [01:10:13] Speaker A: Didn't get the right Miami. [01:10:15] Speaker B: Joey wore thongs on Friends and people thought it was weird. However, all of Miami's Victoria's Secrets underwear are so soft, you know, I'm saying, like, why don't they make men's boxers in whatever material they're making Victoria's Secret under? I'm sure they do, but. Yeah. [01:10:42] Speaker A: I mean, I just found out why women's clothes button on the other side. Do you know this? [01:10:51] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I'm glad you do know. There's a difference. Not a lot of men do. [01:10:55] Speaker A: Yeah. Do you know why? [01:11:00] Speaker B: It was because men didn't button their own shirts or women in a button There. One of them didn't button their own shirts. [01:11:07] Speaker A: I think it was women but yeah. [01:11:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:11:10] Speaker A: So, yeah, so it's like, that's the kind of weird kind of tradition that we carry over in clothes. So the idea that you're gonna get men's panties is impossible because there's too much baggage? [01:11:33] Speaker B: No, not that I want the panties. Not that I want the panties, but whatever. Whatever material they're made in. [01:11:40] Speaker A: I just called me boxers, and I called them panties because they would be made of the same material. But they. There's. There's some reason that they don't do that, and it's probably. [01:11:51] Speaker B: I'll tell you why. [01:11:52] Speaker A: Because an idea that men's underwear is not made out of this. [01:11:57] Speaker B: No, because it probably gives guys constant hard ons because it's so soft when it rubs across the penis. That's how satin underwear are. You ever wear some silk. Silk boxers? You ever sleep in silk sheets? You ever sleep in silk sheets? [01:12:15] Speaker A: Not naked. [01:12:17] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, dude, It's. It's impossible not to get a hard on. [01:12:23] Speaker A: I do know. I do know that if you create too much friction, you can shock yourself. Greg Ferguson. Greg Ferguson used to say when he was a kid, he, like, stayed at an aunt's house or something, and in the guest room there were satin sheets, and he started jerking off, and he would get an electric shock. [01:12:51] Speaker B: So you know what it does is it lights up the sheets. You know how. Like, not that I know the same thing he said, but he said in a different episode, but it lights up the sheets with sparks. Like little tiny, you know, sparks from your hand rubbing across it as fast. [01:13:10] Speaker A: As it does that you can actually see. [01:13:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:13:14] Speaker A: Really? It's cool. [01:13:15] Speaker B: A light show. Yeah. Yeah. I used to do. Do to entertain the women afterwards. You know, I'd be like, hey, you want to see fireworks? [01:13:23] Speaker A: That's hilarious. [01:13:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:13:26] Speaker A: Sounds like a fire hazard. [01:13:29] Speaker B: It can be. [01:13:31] Speaker A: So I wanted to. I wanted to dive into this. I didn't. I forgot, basically. But I did want to. I did want to say I. I read a book years ago about Christmas by Douglas Wilson, and he was basically getting into, like, the historical evidence for Saturnalia and how, like, we ripped. We ripped Christmas off from Saturnalia. [01:14:01] Speaker B: You want to talk about that? [01:14:04] Speaker A: Yeah, if you've got notes on it already. Do you? [01:14:06] Speaker B: I do. Let's do it. Yeah. [01:14:08] Speaker A: Perfect. All right. [01:14:09] Speaker B: I didn't know how deep we wanted to go. [01:14:11] Speaker A: Yeah, well, we got 15 minutes. [01:14:14] Speaker B: We got a lot more than that. We got whatever we want. We hold this whole goal. Audience captive. Yeah. Yeah. Christmas was. Was definitely not originally the. The how we see it. Today at all. [01:14:49] Speaker A: Well, I'm interested to see what your notes say, and I. I wish I had. This book is in storage and I was gonna ask Chatgpt some stuff, but I just forgot. But basically what he was saying was that, like, our first historical record of Saturnalia is only like 20 years before our first record of Christmas. And so the idea is that we reappropriated it for the Christian church and just started calling it Christmas. But he's like, that's pretty close. That's like almost close enough to say it could have predated Saturnalia and they ripped it off from us. Like, we don't really know know, you know, like, we're only going off like the earliest stuff we can find. And there might have been other stuff predating it, but that's. [01:15:37] Speaker B: Well, this one's saying for the first hundred years after the death of Christ, his birthday wasn't celebrated. Instead, epiphany, which is when the three kings, the three wise men, basically visited Jesus. That was the focus. For Christians, the visit of the Magi symbolized that salvation was open to the whole world, not just one select nation. Later, early church fathers promoted the idea that the birth of Jesus Christ should be celebrated. December 25, 336 marks the first Christian marks the first day Christians officially celebrated the first Christmas on earth, and it was in the Roman Empire. That's December 25, 336. However, it says the date of Christmas and some American traditions have pagan roots. In the Roman Empire, December 25th was the day of Natalis Solvis, invict the Roman birth, the unconquered sun and the. And the birthday of Mithras, the Iranian son of righteousness and sun, as in like the sun of. Of the sky. Saturnalia, a Roman festival that honored the sun, lasted from December 17 to December 23. The winter solstice, the darkest day of the year, also falls a few days before December 25 and had been celebrated by pagans. Early Christian church fathers or leaders believed that days that had been set aside to honor pagan gods could be changed to honor Christianity. It was thought that people would more easily accept Christianity and move away from paganism by replacing pagan celebrations with Christian ones. Yeah, I mean, it goes into more. But that is what it talks about, how it started in America's at least. [01:17:46] Speaker A: Yeah, that sounds a little more fucking Rome. Yeah, that. Well, the west, you mean. The West. [01:17:58] Speaker B: Well, that's all when it comes to America, but yeah. [01:18:03] Speaker A: That sounds a little like more of a gap in the history than he was leading on in that book. So I wonder if there was something more. I mean, like I said, it was. I think it was 2020 that I read that book. So I definitely have lost all of that. But it's, it's interesting. I. I did briefly stop. I don't think I ever really stopped celebrating Christmas, but I wanted to at some point. And Easter, because they are essentially Catholic holidays, but they predate, like the Roman Catholic, Protestant divide and all that. So, like, it's kind of whatever. But the, the question really does is like, can you repurpose a pagan thing for God? And there is an example in the Old Testament. I wish I knew it off the top of my head, but basically where God says not to use the high places to worship me. Like, don't use the pagan things to. To worship me. And Douglas Wilson responded to that with, well, we're. We are repurposed pagans. So, like, everything we do is going to be that. Which is a pretty good point. [01:19:26] Speaker B: All that to circle around, back around, say, big country only is celebrating the holidays for the kids. She's not buying into the system. That's her words. [01:19:40] Speaker A: Yeah, that's kind of where I was at with my girlfriend at the time because I just felt like I re. Like, I really put a lot on her because of my theological positions at the time. And I thought, like, if I stick to it. [01:19:59] Speaker B: What? Stick to it? Stick to it. [01:20:07] Speaker A: I just, I just remember thinking that, like, if I add on top of all of this, we're also not going to do Christmas anymore. That's just going. That's just going a little too far. You know what I mean? [01:20:21] Speaker B: Yeah. That is. [01:20:22] Speaker A: I, like, I was a Pedo Baptist at the time and she was getting baptized and she had already been baptized as a baby. And I like, up until the day of the baptism, I told her she didn't need to do it. And it was like, looking back on it, such a dick move. But it's really like what I believed at the time. [01:20:42] Speaker B: And it's just like, need to get baptized. Yeah. [01:20:47] Speaker A: Yeah, I believed that at the time. And, and it's like, yeah, that's the kind of. That we were dealing with like, in the, in the other 11 months of the year. And then I just thought, God, if I just throw the Christmas thing on top of all this, I'm really testing her ability to go with me on this, you know. [01:21:07] Speaker B: For sure. For sure. [01:21:10] Speaker A: So I just sort of begrudgingly celebrated it and then started to like it again. [01:21:16] Speaker B: Now you love it. [01:21:19] Speaker A: Honestly, it's Pretty fun. It's pretty fun with a kid. [01:21:24] Speaker B: Totally. Oh, my gosh, I'm so excited to see my kids excitement this, this, this Christmas. Yeah. However, let me ask you something. Okay. So now that you celebrate it, you got to stick it to her. You got it. You got to at least this year just be like, hey, God's put it on my heart. We shouldn't celebrate Christmas. [01:21:49] Speaker A: No, I don't think I believe that anymore. [01:21:52] Speaker B: Okay, so is that, is that related to our line? To your. That's. That was my question. Your pedo credo, baptism, it was in. [01:22:01] Speaker A: The same vein because it was all coming from, like, from like, very Protestant viewpoints. It was like my, My whole position at the time was like, we get 52 holy days, which is what holiday is. You're. You're saying holy day. We get 52 of those a year. You know what that is? You get Sunday. You. Yeah, you get the Sabbath. Oh, that's another one. That's another one. It. We're not going out. We're not doing anything on Sunday afternoons. I was, I was putting a lot. I was a lot back then, I'll admit that. But it's. [01:22:52] Speaker B: Oh, really? [01:22:53] Speaker A: Yeah, Yeah. I mean, I always caved, but it was a fight, you know, Like, I didn't. I didn't want to, like, watch TV all day, you know, I want to, like, sit in the backyard and like, let's read our Bibles, you know, let's do stuff. Like, let's go on a walk, you know, like, that's what I wanted to do, you know, And I still would like to do that. That's still what I would like to do. But, like, you know, it was, you know, it was a lot. It was a lot. But. Yeah, but that's. [01:23:25] Speaker B: That's your face right now. [01:23:28] Speaker A: What? [01:23:30] Speaker B: I wish they could have saw your face right now. You're like, yeah, and I still want to do that, but, you know, like, you know, you know, like so. Well, you know. [01:23:40] Speaker A: Well, I'm thinking through it. It's just. It's just not been an option for me for so long. Like, I was thinking recently, like, I would like to get back into that. [01:23:49] Speaker B: But you know, that's not gonna happen. Yeah. [01:23:52] Speaker A: Nah, probably not. [01:23:54] Speaker B: Well, all right. [01:23:55] Speaker A: But I, you know, but you get 52 holy days a year. That's Sunday. You go to church, you have communion, you, Sabbath for the rest of the day. And then you want to throw a Catholic holiday on top of that. Like, you're just getting greedy, dude. Like, these aren't Our days. Fourth of July is just a day to worship the government, you know, and, like, it is. And. And Christmas is a cat. It's Christ Mass. Like, it's a Catholic thing, you know, and it's. And it's also a repurposed Saturnalia. And then you got. Easter is basically the same thing. It's. It's a Catholic mass holiday that's, like, also a repurposed pagan holiday and in the springtime. And so it's just, like, just. I just got too into that and of. You know, and just sort of lost sight of the fact that, like, everywhere you go this time of year, even at Target, you're going to hear a song about Jesus on the radio. [01:24:58] Speaker B: Hello? [01:24:59] Speaker A: I don't know. [01:24:59] Speaker B: That's one of my favorite worship songs, dude. Yeah. Is Christmas music my favorite Christmas song? [01:25:08] Speaker A: Hit me with it. Hit me with it. I want to know. [01:25:11] Speaker B: Is it. I don't know if it's Holy Night or. [01:25:16] Speaker A: Sound Garden. [01:25:19] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I don't know if it's Silent Night or oh, Holy Night, which is one. [01:25:27] Speaker A: I think. Oh, Holy Night is the really epic one. Fall on your knees. That one. [01:25:34] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:25:36] Speaker A: I. I was rocking sand and error. [01:25:38] Speaker B: Pining. I mean, read the words of that. Yeah. You know, I mean, like, I. I. [01:25:44] Speaker A: Rocked, like, five covers of Joy to the World on my way to work this morning. That's my favorite. Joy to the World, dude. [01:25:52] Speaker B: Rips Destiny, Not Destiny's Child. SWV has a great Christmas album. [01:26:00] Speaker A: I don't know what that is. [01:26:02] Speaker B: Swv, Sister with voices. [01:26:04] Speaker A: Okay. [01:26:05] Speaker B: They do the song week. [01:26:06] Speaker A: Is that R B? Sounds like R B. Yeah. [01:26:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:26:11] Speaker A: Okay. All right, I'll check it out. [01:26:13] Speaker B: But you know what? Have a good Christmas. [01:26:15] Speaker A: On one of my. One of my favorite Christmas albums of all time is Kelly Clarkson Wrapped in Red, so. Really, I'm not gonna talk on your R B Christmas album. That's for sure. [01:26:27] Speaker B: I'll have to check hers out. Man, I love. I love Christmas, like, albums. Yeah. Buble has a good one, but it's. It's Buble. I mean, it's. It's classic Buble. [01:26:39] Speaker A: Yeah, that's. I used to really like him. And then you just sort of get his shtick after a while. [01:26:47] Speaker B: Yeah. After a while, you're like, oh, yeah, we got it. [01:26:51] Speaker A: Oh, I get it. It's 1945. That's crazy. [01:26:58] Speaker B: Whoa. [01:26:58] Speaker A: But it's really 2017. That's crazy that you're doing that. My favorite Christmas song of all time is Christmas, Baby, Please Come Home by Darlene love. [01:27:13] Speaker B: Only I've ever heard it. [01:27:15] Speaker A: You've heard it. It's. It's in Gremlins. You've definitely heard it. The snow's falling down. I don't know why I chose to sing it so high. [01:27:28] Speaker B: Oh, I do. I do know what you're talking about. Yeah, I knew what you were talking about when you got high. [01:27:35] Speaker A: Yeah, that's. And then I also love that you. Santa Claus by Louis Armstrong. That's a good one. [01:27:46] Speaker B: You know which one? Always I hated. What? Okay, what's a Christmas song? Now hear me out. We're not talking, like, the ones that everyone hates. We're not talking Mariah Carey, because it's got played out. I'm talking about classic Christmas songs. Stuff you heard when you were. When your parent. Your parents might be growing up. You know, I mean, like, it was out in the 80s. Okay, what Christmas song do you hate? Or does. Does. Does it have a trigger for you? [01:28:14] Speaker A: Christmas song I hate. [01:28:17] Speaker B: Come on, Scrooge. [01:28:26] Speaker A: You know, God, every time I think of one, I'm like, you know, no, I could probably bop my head along to that one. [01:28:34] Speaker B: Well, now I can to some of them. But there was one I hated growing up. Hated it. [01:28:41] Speaker A: Wham. Because I love the way. [01:28:46] Speaker B: I love the Wham song myself. I. I mean, like, do you recognize me? What's been a year? Doesn't surprise me. You know, I'm saying, like, okay, this dude's been hurt. [01:29:04] Speaker A: What song is that? [01:29:07] Speaker B: That's the face of a moon with the fire Last Christmas Give me your heart. [01:29:16] Speaker A: Oh, I thought you were singing something else. [01:29:19] Speaker B: No, he was like, basically at the beginning of the song, he's like. Like, you. You stared at me. You sitting across the room or something like that. Do you recognize me? It's been a year doesn't surprise me but last Christmas I gave you my heart. [01:29:34] Speaker A: Yeah. And it's about a dude. [01:29:37] Speaker B: Very next day. Give it away. Okay, so what, that was a song you hated? [01:29:42] Speaker A: No, I like that song. [01:29:43] Speaker B: But, yeah, so do I. [01:29:45] Speaker A: Really can't think of too many that I don't like. Yeah, I mean, even, like, old, like, Frosty the Snowman by, like, Burl Ives and stuff. Like, I can. I can rock any of that. [01:30:05] Speaker B: Do you hear what I hear? [01:30:09] Speaker A: Okay, depending on the version, then I could definitely see what you're saying with that. [01:30:14] Speaker B: I hated that song. I don't know what scary movie that was in Gremlins. It was, huh? Yes. [01:30:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:30:21] Speaker B: I hated that song. Dude, that moved me. That movie. Yeah. Made me hate the song. Yeah, that's like. I love that, you know? I gotta watch it again, to be honest. I'll probably watch it this weekend. [01:30:36] Speaker A: Dude, that whole story in the middle that Phoebe Cates would. Phoebe Cates gives that speech in the middle about her dad falling down the chimney and breaking his neck. Do you remember that? [01:30:50] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:30:51] Speaker A: What the. With that dude that never comes back. Like that doesn't mean anything. That's just this random thing in the middle of the movie. [01:31:02] Speaker B: I guess so, yeah. [01:31:05] Speaker A: And he never came home. And then after a few days, we started to smell something. Oh my God. [01:31:15] Speaker B: It is a strong desire to not like Christmas. I mean, if that was her shtick. [01:31:22] Speaker A: Yeah, I guess. I guess that that's. That's some character building. I guess that's a good point. [01:31:28] Speaker B: But yeah. Who doesn't like Christmas? I'll tell you who doesn't like Christmas. Someone whose dad died in the chimney. [01:31:35] Speaker A: You ever smell your erotic dad in the chimney because of Christmas? [01:31:39] Speaker B: First of all, why, if your dad was dumb enough to go down the chimney, kind of deserves to die. I mean, would you ever try that in today's face? [01:31:52] Speaker A: I wouldn't say it to her face, but yes. [01:31:54] Speaker B: Okay. I would not. Just, just off the, the filth of it. I wouldn't do that. I don't want to pretend that I came down the chimney and start at the bottom. I don't want to pretend. I mean, I might pretend where the carpet and the brick for the chimney begin. Like, oh, I just climbed out. [01:32:18] Speaker A: But no, you caught me. [01:32:19] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not doing the whole coming down the chimney shit. [01:32:28] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I don't know. Out there because it snowed wherever they lived. So like the chimney might have been clean. They might have had to keep that up, you know what I mean? [01:32:41] Speaker B: Definitely. But still, sure. Do you know the makings of a chimney? [01:32:48] Speaker A: I'm just realizing that I don't. I'm just realizing that you can't get it clean enough. [01:32:53] Speaker B: Well, still I don't. But I know animals die in there sometimes. We're not talking about bears, we're not talking about deer. We're talking about small animals get stuck in my. In chimneys at times and die. And me as a grown ass man think I'm going to just make it down there, you know? I mean, and who, who does this and doesn't tell somebody the plan? [01:33:18] Speaker A: That's. That's the best point you've made. You don't even tell the wife. [01:33:25] Speaker B: You know what I mean? Like, hey, don't be startled. I'M coming down the chimney. [01:33:30] Speaker A: You know, this guy had the confidence of the best salesman. This guy was in sales for sure. This guy thought for sure there were no holes in this plan. [01:33:42] Speaker B: For sure. Probably worked down at the bank with the kid. [01:33:49] Speaker A: Oh, man. Favorite Christmas movie. [01:33:52] Speaker B: Watch that movie. Oh, you know what? I'm glad you brought up. There's a couple. There's a couple for different reasons. The first time I ever felt someone had a tradition of why they had a movie like a holiday movie, it was number one's mom and their family watched Planes, Trains and Automobiles. So that is a movie I like to watch during Christmas. [01:34:21] Speaker A: It's a Thanksgiving movie, but I'll give it to you. [01:34:25] Speaker B: You know what? I'm not gonna lie. It's the transition of Thanksgiving to Christmas. It really is. It's like the movie I'll watch after Thanksgiving to get ready for the Christmas season. And then there's. [01:34:38] Speaker A: I like me, I. That almost made me tear up the first time I saw it. [01:34:45] Speaker B: Really? [01:34:45] Speaker A: Especially when you find out. [01:34:49] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. It is a little rough. And so there's that one, Home Alone. Just because it's Home alone. [01:35:00] Speaker A: I mean, classic. [01:35:02] Speaker B: It's a classic. Elf is kind of the newer classic, but I really like National Lampoon's Christmas. It's not like Christmas vacation. [01:35:19] Speaker A: Vacation. No, is. [01:35:22] Speaker B: No, it's the one where he lights up his house. Yeah. [01:35:24] Speaker A: Christmas vacation. [01:35:25] Speaker B: Is. Is that Christmas vacation? [01:35:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:35:30] Speaker B: Yeah. They have a couple more where they like go to Paris and. [01:35:33] Speaker A: Right, yeah, yeah. There's the vacation, European vacation and then Vegas vacation. Came out after Christmas vacation. [01:35:41] Speaker B: Yeah, no, their vacation is to. It's hilarious at some parts. I didn't realize how funny it was when I was younger. [01:35:50] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, it's. Well, I won't say that. I was going to say it's like a kind of cheesy humor but like adult in a way where like a kid doesn't really get it. But then as an adult, you kind of look at it and you're like, okay. I mean, come on. Yeah, right? [01:36:10] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:36:11] Speaker A: A little heavy handed there. But that scene where he flips out at the family in the car. You're gonna be whistling Zippity dude out of your. That's pretty funny. [01:36:25] Speaker B: All right. [01:36:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:36:28] Speaker B: Yeah, there's some funny stuff for sure in there. [01:36:31] Speaker A: I will say though, Christmas vacation, it's one of the weaker ones for me as far as Christmas movies go. Like, I want to like it. And then every time I watch it, I'm like, this just isn't as good as I remember it being, you know? [01:36:48] Speaker B: Well, don't tell me. You're a Christmas Story kind of guy. [01:36:53] Speaker A: No, I haven't seen that one in a long time. I mean, I do like it. I haven't seen it since I was. [01:36:58] Speaker B: A kid, but I like it in the background. [01:37:02] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [01:37:04] Speaker B: It's not like I like it in the background. [01:37:05] Speaker A: I think I got to give Elf probably the number one spot. [01:37:11] Speaker B: Okay, I can respect that because it's, it's, it's. One movie will always get played every Christmas, at least here, where there have been seasons. I haven't played Home Alone, but I've played. [01:37:22] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't watch Home Alone every year. I probably haven't seen that since 2019. Nightmare Before Christmas. [01:37:31] Speaker B: I love. [01:37:32] Speaker A: I love Nightmare Before Christmas. And then I actually really do love Gremlins. [01:37:40] Speaker B: All right, let me ask you about this. Do you think. What are your thoughts on Die Hard being a Christmas movie? [01:37:45] Speaker A: Absolutely. A Christmas movie. Because look, man, who decides that a Christmas movie has to be about the holiday? A Christmas movie is a movie that takes. [01:37:56] Speaker B: Could just be like, hey, come to la, have a couple drinks. [01:38:00] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Oh, dude. Just friends. [01:38:05] Speaker B: What? [01:38:06] Speaker A: Just friends? You don't know just friends? [01:38:12] Speaker B: I want to say I do, but I might be getting confused. Is it about three different couples? [01:38:17] Speaker A: No, that's. I think I know what you're talking about, but it's. It's Ryan Reynolds, Amy Smart and Anna Faris and. Right, buddy. Just look up the first five minutes on YouTube. If they have it up there, you'll love it. He's fat when he's a kid and they have him in a prosthetic, like fat chin and everything. And he's in love with Amy Smart, but they're just friends. And then he grows up to be a thin, good looking music producer, like super rich guy. And then he has to go home for Christmas and kind of go back to his hometown where everyone's like, podunk and it's hilarious. It's a sleeper. I think it came out in 2006. [01:39:11] Speaker B: I'll check it out. [01:39:12] Speaker A: I'll check it out. Yeah, I don't hear people talk about it as much, but it's very good. [01:39:17] Speaker B: For a second there, I thought you're talking about the one where he was with Sandra Bullock and had to take her back to the family. [01:39:23] Speaker A: No, what was that? [01:39:24] Speaker B: The. [01:39:25] Speaker A: The Proposal? [01:39:27] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:39:28] Speaker A: That was Ryan Reynolds. [01:39:30] Speaker B: Yeah, right. [01:39:32] Speaker A: I think I saw that movie like in the last 10 years and was like, oh, okay, that wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, I. [01:39:41] Speaker B: Thought parts of it were really funny. Yeah. [01:39:45] Speaker A: But I don't really remember it, so I won't. [01:39:48] Speaker B: I just remember this. Her dancing in the sweat drops down my balls. To all these females crawl all. Ski, ski, ski, ski, ski, Sk. Oh, ski, ski, ski, ski. [01:39:56] Speaker A: I don't remember that. [01:39:58] Speaker B: She's dancing around some fire with her grandma. Or some. [01:40:02] Speaker A: Anyhow, it's amazing how. How many movies just go right in the freaking dumpster of my brain watching it. How do I not remember that? [01:40:16] Speaker B: That's the great thing about some of these movies is you could just let them in, let them out. I mean. But I find myself lately, I don't want to waste time on movies. Yeah. I want to be educated. So, like, I'm watching documentaries. Like, there's one. It's something about. It's called BB Something, but it's about. Then whatever. Men. Yeah. You know, I'm talking about BB it's about that dude. Yes. And. And his crimes against Israel. Yeah. [01:40:46] Speaker A: But also, I'll just. I'll just watch a really good movie. That's. That's something I'll do. Like, it doesn't have to be educational. I just want it to be really good. Like, that's why I don't watch anything that's new. I wait for the ratings to kind of tell me whether it's, like, cinema, you know? [01:41:04] Speaker B: What ratings are you relying on? [01:41:06] Speaker A: Mostly letterboxd. That's a little more reliable. [01:41:10] Speaker B: Okay. [01:41:10] Speaker A: So I did Tomatoes. [01:41:12] Speaker B: Smart Box has. Where it has IMDb's rating on it. [01:41:19] Speaker A: Mm. [01:41:21] Speaker B: So I don't really Google anything. However, the Rock's last movie where he portrays some UFC fighter. I forget what it's called. Maybe the Machine or something like that. Something like that, yeah. Shit. Dick. Really, like, it got. It was like a 6.4, and I'm like, that's. That's all right. You know. 6.4, that's a. A D rating. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, in some of the Ring, in some of the pages where it's at, it's. It's on the higher end, you know, I mean, it's listed with some 5.5 and some, you know, some. Some other movies. So I put it on. It was. It would be like if someone was like. Like, like Ebenezer Barber struggled, hit bottom, came up to the top of the top. Now runs is, you know, like, that's the preview. And you're like, oh, I gotta watch this. Like, this is gonna be good. And then it's basically like, take the last three years of your life and imagine it being recorded and you're like, yeah, like, there's some. There's some. There was some heartache there. There was some emotion there. There was seasons there. But, like, overall, it really didn't have a fucking point, you know, I mean, like, there was no point to it. Like, it took you through the last two or three years of the dude's life, and that was. Was. It was so fucking weird. Like, he didn't die at the end, you know, I mean, like, yeah, there. [01:43:07] Speaker A: It's like a big thing now to just not really have much of a plot and then just sort of end in the middle of everything without a resolution. I really resent that. [01:43:19] Speaker B: I think it was good when it was first used, you know, when there was going to be like a follow up or something. But when it was first used in the sense of like, oh, I want to watch, like, I want to watch the sequel, you know. [01:43:36] Speaker A: Or even like inside. [01:43:39] Speaker B: Well, I just think a lot of these don't get the budget to do a Part two. Like, I don't think the rock one will. But back to Inception. Inception could do a part two. But what's your problem with Inception? No, I'm just saying it's kind of like Shutter Island. [01:43:53] Speaker A: It ends in the middle of the thing going on. So, like, it. But it wasn't meant to be a sequel or anything. It just, like, purposely ends. [01:44:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:44:02] Speaker A: So like Shutter Island, I think that kind of thing was like, oh, we'll do that for an indie movie. And so like, the guy will be driving and then we'll just roll the credits, you know, and it's like, it just doesn't work the same for that, you know? [01:44:17] Speaker B: But I look at that Inception, like Shutter island, it leaves you with that. Whose dream were you in? Is that question of were they dreaming? Whose dream were we in? We in hers or his. Or, you know, was he a patient or was he set up? You know, so. Yeah, some. Good. Yeah, I guess it does kind of piss me off too, because you kind of want to know country for Old Men Good with what the fuck ever. [01:44:47] Speaker A: I remember. Yeah. Yeah. I. Dude, while I came in, I came home from work and you were like, almost done with it. And I was like, oh, I'm gonna watch his reaction to this piece of ending. And you were like, but I thought Tommy Lee Jones was, like, getting ready for a big, like, showdown with the guy. And then he just tells about a dream and he. It just ends. Oh, God, it was such A stupid movie. God, I hate that. That happened with. Oh, I guess I didn't watch the end, so I don't know. But I watched Honey don't, which I saw nothing but great reviews for and everything. And it was so stupid. I got, like, maybe 30 minutes into it before I turned it off. It's a. One of the Coen brothers made it, and it's like a very film noir kind of story, so it looked, like right up my alley. And then I was, like, blown away with how stupid it was. [01:45:46] Speaker B: Yeah. You know what movie I thought was good. Still? We fight another day or some shit. One battle after another, one battle after another. I knew it was right. It was synonymous. Okay, I liked it. [01:46:04] Speaker A: Okay, then I'll definitely watch it. I was waiting to know for sure, but I heard, like, right away how good it was, so I figured it was. It was probably pretty good. [01:46:15] Speaker B: Trailer. [01:46:16] Speaker A: I'm gonna be on that one trailers week. The trailer did not make me want to watch it. [01:46:22] Speaker B: I. Maybe. Maybe depending on what trailer you saw. Yeah, the trailer I saw made me want to watch it. I mean, dude, in the trailer I saw, it had Benicio del Toro. It had Leonardo DiCaprio. [01:46:37] Speaker A: I just couldn't make heads or tails of the plot from the trailer. The trailer just looked like we're running around shooting people and that's it. And so, like, that doesn't, like, draw me in, you know, I didn't know. [01:46:50] Speaker B: The plot, but I knew he was out. He was trying to save his daughter or be reunited with his daughter. It was a story of him and his daughter. So, like, I knew that. And then, like, all the shooting made me think, okay, like, he's trying to find his daughter. But I didn't know what it was, so. But I saw all the actors, and I was like, dude, Leo, Benicio del Toro. There was, like, two or three other people in it that you're like, oh, wow. Like, okay, yeah, this is. But it was a good movie overall to watch it. Yeah, so there's that. There was that one I just got into. Oh, by the way, I haven't vaped in, like, nine days. Like, I'm done vaping. Smoking. [01:47:40] Speaker A: Nice. [01:47:41] Speaker B: It's part of the gentleman thing. Dude. My clients don't like the smell of cigarettes. And vaping to me is just gay and. And fake. [01:47:52] Speaker A: You're not wrong. But I love it. [01:47:55] Speaker B: No, I love it too, dude. But, you know, it's. It's just. I don't like doing it in public. See other guys do it in public. I make Fun of them, but also, dude, it's just hurting my lungs, bro. Like, just there. And I just wanna. I wanna. I wanna see what I got, you know? [01:48:16] Speaker A: Yeah. Do something. [01:48:18] Speaker B: I could do it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. What were we just talking about, though? [01:48:30] Speaker A: Movies. [01:48:31] Speaker B: Yeah. Anyhow, yeah, it was the vaping, but I was moving on to something else for the movies, but. Oh, I'm really into that Diddy thing right now, dude. The Diddy, the Reckoning still don't be sampled out. All I know is it was put together by 50 Cent. And that dude is. It's funny because that dude is like. He'll troll you and do stupid shit like buying jaw rules first 10 rows at his concert just so he could have. Empty. First 10 rows empty. [01:49:06] Speaker A: So awesome. [01:49:08] Speaker B: You know what I mean? Like, he just does that shit. [01:49:11] Speaker A: Does Tony Yayo have something to do with this documentary? Because he's been making the podcast rounds. [01:49:18] Speaker B: He might. I don't know. I'm only in. It's a miniseries. It's four episodes. I'm in episode three. But it's basically kind of goes through Diddy's upbringing. And he even bought footage from the guy who followed Diddy Diddy around because Diddy didn't use the footage and didn't want it. So 50 Cent went and bought the footage from the guy. Just. It's. It's well done. I didn't think it was gonna be so well done by 50, but 50 is like, hey, look like his whole stance is like, hey, look like I'm not gonna. Like, we have to. We have to hold them people accountable. Because what he's doing, if we are quiet about it, is saying that that's what hip hop is accepting and our people is accepting the fact that we are okay with that. That type of treatment of people. And he's like, no, we have to speak up because can't continue and people have to know it's wrong. And so, like, I like his stance on what he's doing, why he's doing it. Yeah, for sure. [01:50:19] Speaker A: And not for nothing. Been listening to him for the first time really ever, because I don't really like hip hop when he was happening. [01:50:29] Speaker B: Really good I with it. You know who I'm really into right now, and I'm starting to see now that he's dead, who he was talking about a lot of the time? Dmx. [01:50:43] Speaker A: Ah, yeah, dude. [01:50:45] Speaker B: Like, he was talking about Puff Daddy in that. Back in the day where he was like, you like. Like, they know who they are. [01:50:53] Speaker A: That's he was always talking about them, dude. And then I just saw that clip. I think you sent me the clip of him talking about them specifically in the interview. [01:51:03] Speaker B: So. It's nuts, dude. Like. And so you kind of listen to some of his old songs differently, too. You're like, oh, okay. [01:51:11] Speaker A: Didn't he have about how, like, he. He wasn't famous because he wouldn't suck dick or whatever? [01:51:20] Speaker B: I think he did. And. But then you take some of Diddy's old songs and you listen to them in light of what we know, and it's like, oh, you had a lot of gay. Biggie did too big. He had a lot of gay lyrics in his talking about, like. Like, if. If your daddy was that beautiful, like, are you're so beautiful, I'd suck your daddy's dick. And it goes. You know, I mean, like, he goes into so. So many things that. And you're just like, wow. [01:51:51] Speaker A: I think that's just. [01:51:52] Speaker B: Maybe you guys. There's. There's a guy that used to, like, that used to run with him and was like, listen to his lyrics. And he, like, goes through it on Tick Tock and he's like, listen to this. And he does about five different sets of lyrics, and he's like, that is almost like. That is. That is gay talk to its fullest. And it's just. He's like, the dude's gross. [01:52:14] Speaker A: Well, him and him and Pac were both like art school kids. [01:52:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, they were actually really good friends. I think Biggie had street cred in the sense of, like, when he started to. [01:52:29] Speaker A: I think he started paying. [01:52:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:52:31] Speaker A: After he got popular, as did Tupac. [01:52:34] Speaker B: But, well, his freestyle was more. Was. Was what he was more known for in. In his hometown, if you will. Like, it wasn't that he was a banger, but, like, he was lyrically, you know, aggressive. Yes. Not. Not a banger until after. But. But still, man, like, to see that Puffy had something to do with both those murders. Crazy, man. [01:53:01] Speaker A: And the guy I think killed Tupac just got popped. Right? Like, he just went to jail. [01:53:08] Speaker B: The guy who killed Tupac. So. So. [01:53:10] Speaker A: Ooh. [01:53:12] Speaker B: So they have video footage of. It was unforeseen proffer or whatever proffer from this guy named Zip and Zip. And they were gonna. They were offering him a lesser time if he had info on the POC thing. And he was like, yeah, like, we shot them that night. Like, Puffy gave us. Paid us a million dollars to shoot them, but he only paid up on 500. Because Shook Knight lived and he's like, so. But it was a guy named Zip, and his nephew was Orlando Bloom. Orlando Bloom is the kid that got jumped by Tupac on the video. But all that stems back to Orlando's. Bloom's people were Biggie and Puff's protection when they were in California. And Suge's people were Bloods, Orlando Bloom, and all them are Crips. And so when they were. When one of the artists was out at a local mall, one of those guys, Orlando Bloom, tried to snatch his chain, his Death Row chain. And when they were in Vegas, they saw him and was like, hey, that's the dude in California that tried to take my chain. So they jumped him. It just so happened that they were already there that night to kill Tupac for Puffy. And it just made more sense now that this jumping happened, that they did it. [01:54:41] Speaker A: Now. [01:54:41] Speaker B: I did it that night. [01:54:43] Speaker A: Back up. [01:54:43] Speaker B: You. [01:54:44] Speaker A: You were saying Orlando Bloom, like the actor from Pirates. [01:54:51] Speaker B: Oh, no, it's. It's Orlando. Okay. [01:54:53] Speaker A: Because you said it, like five times. So I just wanted it. [01:54:55] Speaker B: No, I totally did. I totally did. It's. It's Orlando. I don't know, but his nickname is, like, Lane or something like that. [01:55:06] Speaker A: But for like, 30 seconds, I did have to live in that world. And I was like, holy shit. I guess Orlando Bloom's got some street credgy. That's crazy, dude. [01:55:20] Speaker B: And then Biggie was. I don't know who Biggie was yet. They haven't really. That's. I think that's where I'm at right now. Biggie just got shot. [01:55:28] Speaker A: Well, I have to watch. [01:55:29] Speaker B: But they're just talking about how the east and west coast thing was something that was actually like, kind of basically just Death Row and Bad Boy, but they sold it as it was east and west, and Biggie was actually supposed to be on a plane to the uk and Puffy canceled his flight so that he could stay in LA for a party, and then he ended up getting shot that night. [01:55:57] Speaker A: Hmm. [01:55:59] Speaker B: Crazy, man. [01:56:02] Speaker A: Yeah, there's. There's a lot there. There's a lot of there there. As they say, where there's pedo smoke, there's pedifier. Yeah. [01:56:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:56:18] Speaker A: Well, I look forward to. Why. What's that on. [01:56:22] Speaker B: Netflix? [01:56:23] Speaker A: Fuck. [01:56:25] Speaker B: You don't have Netflix? [01:56:26] Speaker A: Oh, man. [01:56:28] Speaker B: Let me text you my login. [01:56:29] Speaker A: I have 25 bucks a month for Netflix or whatever it costs. [01:56:34] Speaker B: Is that what it is? [01:56:35] Speaker A: I don't know. It's like 15. [01:56:37] Speaker B: You want me to text you my. My login? [01:56:40] Speaker A: I mean, I wouldn't Say no to that. [01:56:45] Speaker B: All right, well, there's no password. Yeah, they do. You just fucking. Like there's an option. It's almost like you. You have to accept what they're saying and the inst. And then you just go back to your regular programming. [01:57:01] Speaker A: Okay. [01:57:02] Speaker B: I mean, like, a lot of people get scared and they're like, oh, shit. No, no, just walk through it. Yeah, I mean, the next person that turns on Arizona is going to walk through it too. Just. You know what I mean? It's just a couple okays, you know? Couple okays and you're back to normal. [01:57:17] Speaker A: Keep a level head, baby girl. [01:57:20] Speaker B: Yeah, but yeah, it's on Netflix. Really good. [01:57:25] Speaker A: All right, well, I didn't anticipate the Christmas episode coming all the way around to G unit, but here we are. [01:57:37] Speaker B: Yeah, G Unit. [01:57:42] Speaker A: I think we're good. I think we covered it all. [01:57:45] Speaker B: I think we did too, man. What do you want to talk about next week or you want to think about it? [01:57:55] Speaker A: I mean, we could almost do a whole new episode on all the CANDACE developments. [01:58:03] Speaker B: Oh. [01:58:03] Speaker A: Been pretty nuts the last couple days. [01:58:07] Speaker B: It actually has, dude. It's supposed to get nuttier. You all caught up? [01:58:12] Speaker A: Yeah, I actually just finished today's episode right before we got on the call and yep, there's some pretty crazy. That doctor never said that he was shot by that bullet. The. The doctor was being accused of, like being part of the COVID up because he said a 30 06. [01:58:34] Speaker B: Oh, no. [01:58:35] Speaker A: Could not have. I've stopped. [01:58:37] Speaker B: I'm caught up. I. I listened to that this afternoon. [01:58:40] Speaker A: Oh, excellent. [01:58:41] Speaker B: Okay. [01:58:41] Speaker A: So you, you know. [01:58:42] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:58:43] Speaker A: So that's. [01:58:44] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:58:44] Speaker A: That's opening a whole can of worms, dude. [01:58:47] Speaker B: The private conversation with them. [01:58:49] Speaker A: That's not coming down to a misunderstanding. That is a willful Sam. [01:58:54] Speaker B: Triple zero flights. [01:58:56] Speaker A: Yes. [01:58:56] Speaker B: You know. Yeah. Oh, yeah, nuts. There's some coming out. I can't wait for the next couple. [01:59:02] Speaker A: Days, her meeting with Erica, because I. [01:59:07] Speaker B: I think I can't wait till she reveals whatever she's like, building up to. [01:59:11] Speaker A: Yes. And honestly, she has something I know when I'm in a sales funnel. And it's. It's brilliant to like. Because it's smart to not tell all the information all at once. I get what she's doing, but she's also keeping me on as a listener by telling me there's stuff I'm not telling you. Like, that's brilliant. [01:59:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:59:32] Speaker A: I'm gonna listen to every episode. [01:59:35] Speaker B: I want to make sure the facts are right. But tomorrow, what we were supposed to get into today. We're actually gonna get into tomorrow. [01:59:42] Speaker A: Yeah, brilliant. Brilliant. [01:59:44] Speaker B: Dude. [01:59:44] Speaker A: That's literally a hypnosis technique where you just leave unfinished thoughts and you just draw them into the next thought, and they just get a little sleepier and a little sleepier until. [01:59:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:59:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:59:58] Speaker B: That reminds me. I've been. I've been really wanting to ask you just in your view of, like, manhood. Well, actually, that's. That's a thought for. For some other time. Maybe next week we'll jump into that one. [02:00:13] Speaker A: Okay. [02:00:13] Speaker B: Till then. That's my. That's my hypnotic tactic. Come back next week if you want to know the answer to. That's actually really important question. [02:00:25] Speaker A: Smart. That was smart. We will talk about it next week. No ifs and no buts. No coconuts episode. For this, our Christmas episode, we got a couple in the can, so. So these are going to be coming out for the rest of the month. Episode 40 in the books. [02:00:47] Speaker B: Awesome. [02:00:49] Speaker A: Have a good week. [02:00:49] Speaker B: All right, brother. [02:00:51] Speaker A: This has been pseudonyms. [02:00:54] Speaker B: I forgot we were recording.