024: Shit on Your Nub

[00:00:00] Speaker A: So I ran a 10k this last Saturday. [00:00:03] Speaker B: Yeah, buddy. [00:00:06] Speaker A: So we wanted to go to men's group, and I said, hey, meet me at 5 in the morning or 4:30. We'll drive over to men's group in two cars. We'll drive back in one. Then we'll run to men's group and drive back together again, you know? So we did that. I almost died. Like, there came a point because, like, 6 o' clock here is very similar to 9am here, you know? I mean, like, the sun's up and blazing, and so we do that. It was great. So I get home and I'm like, oh, my gosh, my stomach, dude. Like, we had to sit through men's group. I get home, I'm like, oh, my gosh. Like, I'm not gonna lie, I push out a turd that's probably, I don't know, good. 16 inches long, straight. Just straight into the barrel. [00:00:55] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:00:57] Speaker A: So. So I text Stretch Marks. And I'm like, dude, I ran this whole time with a snake in the bag. And he goes. [00:01:06] Speaker B: He's like. [00:01:07] Speaker A: He's like, serious. Let me see, dude, send a picture. So I sent him a picture. He's like, my trust is broken. That's all I got back, dude. Nothing else ever. [00:01:17] Speaker B: Yeah, so that's freaking hilarious. [00:01:25] Speaker A: I'm fearful of saying this because I'm afraid I won't do it before he hears it, but he said he's gonna trip out if I get his mom's number and call her, so. Because every time. Every time he's on the phone with her, he's like, oh, is that your mom? All right, yeah. Tell her. Tell her I said hi. Tell her I miss her. And then, like, every time we talk, I'm like. He'll be like. He'll say something. I'm like, yeah, your mom already told me that story. He's like, dude, he's like, I'm gonna trip out if, like, you actually have been talking to my mom. And I'm like, okay. So my mission is to be able to, like, get her number, text her. Like, we've been talking, but, like, let her know because she's married, you know? And I'm not trying to do anything weird there, but text her, like, hey, this is boss. He doesn't know. I mean, that I'm texting you, but I'm playing this. This game on him. XYZ and go, go forth. Kind of like the goal. I'm trying to get him away from himself. I'm trying to get his password. I sat with it one day and locked him out for like five minutes. [00:02:29] Speaker B: I don't think you need to do that. I think for $12, you can probably get that phone number. [00:02:36] Speaker A: What do you mean? Talk to me. Talk to me, Goose. [00:02:40] Speaker B: Look up, look up his associated relatives on like a true people search or something. [00:02:46] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah. [00:02:47] Speaker B: And. And just get his mom's name, find her name, and then you can probably, through that, probably pay like 10 bucks to get her phone number. [00:02:56] Speaker A: I've done it for cheaper. Yeah. Contacting people. In fact, I'll probably just reach out to his. My friend's daughter who's his sister in law, and just be like, hey, here's the joke. Yeah. Yeah. Good job, man. Good, good, good. Walking it through with me there. [00:03:12] Speaker B: Now, I've. I've never paid that money, but I can get you an address for free. For free, Sure. [00:03:20] Speaker A: I appreciate that. She lives in Philadelphia, so not worried about that. What's up? [00:03:31] Speaker B: That's freaking hilarious. No, just. It's just funny, like. Nah, your mom already told me that it would be hilarious if you could finish the story for him and then you got locked out of your hotel room. Right? Yeah, your mom told me that. [00:03:49] Speaker A: Dude, that's. [00:03:49] Speaker B: That's it. [00:03:50] Speaker A: That's the joke. Give me a story you're gonna talk with your son about so when he brings it up. Your mom already told me that. [00:03:56] Speaker B: And then. And then Elaine got the rice cooker. Now she told me. She already told me. [00:04:03] Speaker A: I like that. I like that a lot. That's gonna work. All right, Gandhi, what are we doing tonight, man? [00:04:11] Speaker B: Gandhi? [00:04:12] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, you said you wanted to talk about forgiveness. No. [00:04:17] Speaker B: Yeah, I guess I'm talking to MLK then. [00:04:20] Speaker A: Oh, Martin. Yeah. All right, Mahama. [00:04:30] Speaker B: All right. There's. [00:04:30] Speaker A: There's. How was your week? [00:04:31] Speaker B: June bug. There's a June bug dying on the ground and it's annoying the shit out of me. It's so loud. [00:04:39] Speaker A: That was nice. I respect that. How was your week, man? [00:04:46] Speaker B: Trying. [00:04:48] Speaker A: Yeah, with the. Oh, parents are still there. [00:04:51] Speaker B: It's that it's moving. It's my last few days of work. It's like I can just choose not to be emotional about things, and then, like, other people get emotional for me, and then it. It makes me uncomfortable, you know? So tomorrow is my last day, but two people that I work with are off tomorrow, so I had to say goodbye to them today. And it was just like. It was just like, guys, there's 25 of you. Like, I can't do this over and over and over again. You know what I mean? Like, I am sorry. You're only saying goodbye to one person. I'm saying goodbye to. [00:05:36] Speaker A: So number one said, you guys, we listed the date on May 28th. And she's like, you guys are so far behind. She's like, so, you know, that's cool. You were. You were dating a month ago. That's cool. I didn't know you were dating a month ago. But who is this person if you remember a month ago? And you know, I was like, holy. And then. And then Stretch Mark says something. He's like, dude, this is from May 28th. And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. He goes, it's crazy because I could see your. Like, I could think back and remember your thought processes. Like the stuff you would bring up during work. I was like, that's kind of crazy. So I figured, let's just drop the dates. You know, forget them. Forget them now. They don't get. Dates get. Now they don't. [00:06:17] Speaker B: It's. It's not even July 2nd right now. [00:06:22] Speaker A: No, it's. So tomorrow's your last day. Mm. [00:06:28] Speaker B: That works. [00:06:29] Speaker A: Nice. What time you leaving? You leaving early? Like at 9am that would be awesome. [00:06:36] Speaker B: Now, I. I'll probably be there late, honestly, because I'm gonna just do my normal shift until 3:30, and then I'll probably start, like, wrapping things up and saying goodbye to people. So I might be there. That would be the most baller move. Show up. Get the fuck away from me. [00:06:59] Speaker A: God. Dude, I've never seen someone get so annoyed with June bugs, bro. [00:07:05] Speaker B: It's dead. Well, first of all, for the last seven minutes, it's been buzzing around on the ground because it's dying. And then it has the nerve to fly right into my face. Oh, okay. So I just described wrongdoing to a bug. I understand that that's crazy now that I say it out loud. Okay, I'm coming back to earth a little bit. I understand that the June bug is not my father. Okay. The June bug. The June bug is not my boss. It's not my wife. [00:07:43] Speaker A: How's that European Mexican doing with all this? [00:07:48] Speaker B: Good. She's very stressed. She leaves Saturday, so she's trying to pack everything and, like, get everything ready and, like, also get everything boxed up in the house so that we just move it into the pod after she's gone. [00:08:04] Speaker A: I think this is a good time to announce to our listening fan base Pseudonyms is moving. [00:08:12] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, we've been talking about it. They know. [00:08:19] Speaker A: Guys, we got a New studio announcement. [00:08:27] Speaker B: That's. That's, like, Nathan Lane coming out now. [00:08:34] Speaker A: I don't know who Nathan Lane is. [00:08:37] Speaker B: Oh, you don't? He was in Birdcage and he was Robin Williams counterpart. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:08:50] Speaker A: Man. That would have been a good celebrity death pick right there, dude. Robin. [00:08:56] Speaker B: Yeah. No one knew about his illness, so, I mean, that would have been, like, full points. That would have been great. [00:09:02] Speaker A: Yeah, I almost. I. I think I want to take Diddy off my list, just so you know. [00:09:06] Speaker B: Yeah. Now, as of today, right? Yes. Text me whoever you want to replace them with. I'll. I'll get it changed out, but. [00:09:17] Speaker A: All right. I also have to make sure Wendy Williams is on my shit. [00:09:21] Speaker B: Yes, I think she is already. Yeah. [00:09:23] Speaker A: Okay. [00:09:25] Speaker B: But, yeah, man. I mean, I realized today. So I wrote everyone letters at work. So I got a stack of, like, 25 letters in my cabinet that I'm gonna pass out right before I leave. [00:09:37] Speaker A: All right. How long. How long did that take you to write these letters? Ooh. [00:09:42] Speaker B: So I did most of it on my Saturday shift in between calls. So I was interrupted. No, maybe two full hours altogether. [00:09:54] Speaker A: Okay. [00:09:56] Speaker B: Not too bad. [00:09:58] Speaker A: Are they. Are they letters? Are they like. Like, sentiments? Like, hey, it's great working with you. Going to miss you, man. Take care. [00:10:06] Speaker B: A couple of them are like that for people I don't know as well. Some people I didn't write letters for at all. I tried to give a good half a page to everyone, you know, but a couple of them are like a full page, you know, like, really heartfelt stuff. But this. This one guy, I didn't realize he went down to Mexico this week to visit his family. So he's. He was out this whole week. So I'm not going to see him again. I didn't realize. Last Friday or whatever. [00:10:37] Speaker A: Again. [00:10:37] Speaker B: Anyways, yeah, pretty good when he gets taken by the cartel. But when I realized that today that I'm not going to see this guy again, I genuinely felt like, that's all right. I said everything I needed to say in that letter. I was like, that's how, you know you wrote really good letters. I'm pretty sure I could leave right now, not say to anyone. And my letters sum it up perfectly. [00:11:05] Speaker A: Dear Jose, adios, muchachos. Mahatma Gandhi. [00:11:09] Speaker B: His. His. His name is Jesus. And I call, almost always call him Jose. Like, I. I am about to say Joseph, and then I stop myself and I say Jesus. [00:11:23] Speaker A: So I did this thing on my last one of my projects. I had three assistants, and I was like, you know, what, dude? Like, I'm gonna sit down. It's near the end of the project. I'm gonna sit down and write them, like, some letters of. Not only encouragement of areas of growth as well, you know, but encouraging ways. Like, I wrote D, and I just kind of told her, like, hey, like, you're. You're. You're a great individual. Great, super. Like, you're going to make a great super. But I want to, you know, however, I want to also encourage you in the sense of, like, get into the plans, like, read. You know, don't take anybody's word. And then, like, another guy just kind of was like, you know, hey, dude, like, don't be a yes man. Like, you are a solid super. Like, you're. [00:12:05] Speaker B: You're. [00:12:05] Speaker A: You're going to be a good super. Like. Like trusting yourself. And. Yeah, I just. And they had the audacity because I wrote it, like, in my cool cursive. Like, not cursive, but they were like. Yeah. I was asking. My wife was asking if that was your real writing. I told her, now, he probably used a computer. Like, how you take away the sentiment when you use a computer, do you, like, you take away, like, the time that was invested in this shit, you know? [00:12:33] Speaker B: I took the time to get a feather. I took a pair of scissors, and I cut the tip of this feather at an angle, and then I dipped it. [00:12:44] Speaker A: You know what I'm saying? [00:12:45] Speaker B: No, no. That is crazy. And it's right there, ready to go. You've got props, dude. [00:12:55] Speaker A: You put the ink in here. [00:12:57] Speaker B: That's awesome. [00:12:58] Speaker A: You dip your. Your. Your feather pin in there, and it holds in that reservoir. And then when you write, it naturally feeds out. [00:13:05] Speaker B: That's awesome. So it's kind of like a fountain pen, but you dip it. Yeah. [00:13:11] Speaker A: Yeah. Yep. [00:13:12] Speaker B: That's rad. [00:13:14] Speaker A: Welcome to Pseudonyms, everybody. I am Martin Luther King Jr. With my buddy Mahatma Gandhi. [00:13:22] Speaker B: It's a pleasure to be here. We're talking about forgiveness. [00:13:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, we're talking about forgiveness, I think. So I saw your text. I didn't really get a good chance to mull it over because it was so recent. However, I did do a little bit of research, and I actually didn't realize. I'm thinking, like, hey, forgiveness is just gonna be a couple things, but there's a big difference between someone who believes in God, forgiveness, and somebody who doesn't believe in God. Forgiveness. [00:14:05] Speaker B: Okay, unpack that for me. [00:14:07] Speaker A: So someone who doesn't believe in God, it's rooted in psychology, humanistic ethics, or personal well, being for someone who does believe in God, it's usually grounded in God's character. In the gospel of Jesus Christ. [00:14:25] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. So basically, it's the difference between, like, hey, I've got to get past this, and, like, this will be good for both of us to just get over this thing versus, like, I'm commanded to forgive. And I've been forgiven of so much that how could I not forgive a person? [00:14:46] Speaker A: Who am I to hold the. The. Yeah. To hold. Hold the bill or the debt, you know, whatever. But, you know, it's crazy because I've been teaching it to my kids so secularly, you know, I'm like, hey, look, like you. You need. You need to forgive your mom because you're the only one in that cell. Like, you're bothered by it every time you think of her every, like, throughout your day. She is not bothered by you. Like, she's going through her day, and then when she does come around to think about you, she's sad. But then she goes on with her day where you have, like, this animosity or this. This heartbrokenness where you kind of, like, have some resentment towards her holding you in a cell more than she's ever in that cell. You know what I mean? [00:15:29] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. But there's. There's truth to that. [00:15:37] Speaker A: Yeah. But at the same time, like, it's not so much the view of, like, hey, like, you've been forgiven much, so you should forgive much. [00:15:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:47] Speaker A: You know what I mean? [00:15:48] Speaker B: Yeah. But I mean, like, those can go together, I think. [00:15:53] Speaker A: Like, they definitely can. [00:15:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Are. Is like number three or. Yeah, number three. Still kind of struggling with that. [00:16:09] Speaker A: No, she talks to her. She has a relationship with her. She's still annoyed or bothered by some of the things she does. Like, she did bring up, like, oh, you know, because again, big countries on this whole end of the world thing, she goes, I. I said something like, oh, my gosh. You know, your mom called me, like, to specifically talk about what we're doing at the end of the world. And, you know, like, I'm like, oh. And she's like, yeah, that's all she talked about during my birthday. Like, during my birthday. Yeah, during my birthday lunch that she took me out to. That's all she talked about. And I was like, oh, my God. Gosh. [00:16:45] Speaker B: So anyways, I got this. I got this gas can, and if we just fill it up. Okay, okay. No, no, no, no, no. Blow out the candle. Splat. The candles. But I just wanted to talk about this gas. Is there Anything else I should do besides this gas can? [00:17:06] Speaker A: So what for you, what is your motivation? Because I think there's also a difference between secular. I'm just gonna refer to people who aren't Christians as secular. Not an insulting way, but in, in that, that manner. What is your motivation for forgiveness? [00:17:22] Speaker B: Well, you know, now that you articulated that, I think I have been very influenced by that worldly view of forgiveness. You know, I do. I. It's not that it's not a thought in my mind at all to forgive because I'm forgiven and because it's commanded and, and because you want to live in a way worthy of the gospel. But I, I do tend to frame things to myself of like, you don't want someone living rent free in your head. You know, like, that's it. [00:17:59] Speaker A: It's almost like, who's that someone are we talking about? Is it Stretch, Mark's mom? [00:18:06] Speaker B: Yeah. Dude, you'll never believe what she said to me the other day. So we're at book club and she. [00:18:19] Speaker A: So we were laying in bed together just, you know, just having an after smoke and. [00:18:26] Speaker B: And she ashed on my chest. And I just thought, my God, it's sin. [00:18:35] Speaker A: I think, I think secular forgiveness is. [00:18:38] Speaker B: More. [00:18:41] Speaker A: Therapeutic in nature, but for self, you know, like for inner peace, for emotional self healing, where like for the Christian, it's because it's God's command, it's showing love to others, it's displaying the grace of God that God displayed to you. And so I think the motivation is different. But I've never, I've never looked at it like that. I've always, I've always been kind of like, I don't know, as of the last year, maybe, like, hey, I'm just gonna forgive because like, I know I'm not supposed to hold a grudge, but at the same time, like, for most of my life, 40 some odd years, it's always been, I'm not gonna let you live rent free in my head. And I want the, the therapeutic piece to that. [00:19:27] Speaker B: Yeah. And I mean there, there is, there is something to. Does it does weigh on you, I think when you're. I mean, I think there's some things that you kind of move past and you just stop thinking about. But like, for those grudges that last a long time, like, I think I know that it's bad for you emotionally and mentally because of how good it feels to move past it, you know. [00:19:55] Speaker A: Like, if you've ever had. [00:19:57] Speaker B: Go ahead. [00:19:58] Speaker A: No, go for it. [00:20:00] Speaker B: If you've ever like, made up with someone after a prolonged beef. It feels good sometimes. [00:20:08] Speaker A: You almost feel tighter. You almost feel closer sometimes. [00:20:11] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:20:13] Speaker A: Which is actually where I was going. Do you feel like reconciliation is something that is two. Two things? Is it something that is part of forgiveness, and is it something that you see is biblical forgiveness? [00:20:30] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I think. I think that gives us a picture, and I think it's reflective. I don't. I don't think that it's, like, the standard, but I think it gives us a picture of, like, us being reconciled to God and sort of proverbially, like, going back into the garden, you know, I think that's kind. That's how I see, you know, God bringing us into union with him and through Christ. So, like, it. I think that's part of what makes it feel so good, that it's like a. It's a foretaste of the reconciliation of the universe. [00:21:16] Speaker A: Okay, what about. Do you think there's conditions and limits in both categories? [00:21:23] Speaker B: Yeah, and I'm glad you went there, because that's. That's probably gonna be the crux of our conversation is like. So I heard one. So it was actually. It was. And Jeff talking, and we were at. [00:21:42] Speaker A: We're doing a lot of beeping tonight. [00:21:44] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, we talked about C last week or the week before, I think. [00:21:51] Speaker A: Well, we said your name tonight. I did. [00:21:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, I'll bleep that. [00:21:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:58] Speaker B: But Jeff. We can leave Jeff in. Yeah, yeah. [00:22:02] Speaker A: Kristen, Jeff. [00:22:04] Speaker B: You know, simple names, common names. We were at Red Robin after church one night, and Chris was just talking about, like, his mom, and I think his mom had, like, kicked him out or something. You know, he had some kind of thing against her, and he was just talking about, like, how he can't forgive her and he can't move past it. And surprisingly, Jeff made it even worse when he. He said, actually, not surprising. [00:22:30] Speaker A: Now, mind you guys, Jeff is the youth pastor. The young adult pastor. [00:22:34] Speaker B: Nope. Jeff from tmp. [00:22:39] Speaker A: Oh, I don't know if I know that. Jeff. Okay, go on. [00:22:41] Speaker B: He married that Greek chick after service one night. [00:22:48] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. So, Jeff. [00:22:53] Speaker B: What's Jeff say for devoted listeners? He's the one that I got into this giant Calvinism argument with on Facebook, and I got rebuked by every pastor in my church, even though I was right. So Jeff. Jeff goes to Chris, and he's like, you know, I think maybe you should just say it. Maybe you should just say, tell her that you forgive her, and maybe your heart will follow. And I'm sitting There, like, okay, so lie. You're telling him to lie. And, you know, so, like, there are. There are ways in which, like, forgiveness kind of becomes this perfunctory, like, just thing we're supposed to do even if our heart's not in it. And I really don't know if that's biblical. [00:23:41] Speaker A: I don't think it's biblical at all. [00:23:43] Speaker B: No. [00:23:44] Speaker A: Because I think what. What's tied up with that is like, you're expecting some sort of retribution, some justice maybe, you know, like, I'll forgive if. And it's got conditions. And it's like, oh, I'll forgive her if she lets me move back in. I'll forgive them if they acknowledge that they did it in xyz. Where from my view now, it's, I forgive them and I'm gonna leave vengeance in someone else's hands. That is God. [00:24:14] Speaker B: Yeah, that. And also, like, that's not how God forgives us. God doesn't, you know, just say something he doesn't mean and then, like, his heart follows after, you know, so it's not a biblical picture of forgiveness at all. I mean, it really would fall more into that secular view of just making yourself feel better, you know, it's all about a feeling. It's all about your heart, you know, getting caught. [00:24:39] Speaker A: Chris doesn't want to forgive. And until his mom does something. [00:24:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:46] Speaker A: You know, I mean, like, I. E. Let her. Let him move back in. Yeah, like, mom, let me move back in and then I'll forgive you. And we could talk about it. And I think often that's how we often look at things. Like, I forgave my parents for years of just being shitty parents just because it was. Why not? You know, it's. Why would I. Why would I hold that? They did the best they could with the little tools that they had. And it's not that I, like, forget about it. I forgive you. But there's boundaries now. Like, you cannot cross certain boundaries, you know, I'm not going to look the other way if you say something to my kids that is not grandparent, like, you know, or not loving or manipulative, you know? [00:25:28] Speaker B: Yeah. And. And I think a huge part of it is, like, whether the person in question has, like, repented. [00:25:39] Speaker A: Oh, dude, I was going there. Do you feel like fool reconciliation requires repentance? [00:25:46] Speaker B: I mean, I don't know how you could have it without. [00:25:52] Speaker A: Has to. [00:25:52] Speaker B: Yeah. And I mean, even so, the, The. The verse that gets twisted for this a lot is when Peter's asking Jesus how many times we have to forgive our brothers. And he says as many times as he comes to you. And so people take that, and they're like, oh, well, you have to forgive people no matter what, under any circumstance, for anything, always. And, well, the key is he comes to you. Yeah, exactly. So there's some kind of repentance there on the other end, Some kind of mutual reconciliation and acknowledgement at the latest, at the least. Yeah. And I don't think it's crazy acknowledgment. Yeah. But so then. So then I guess my question would be like, what's. What's your state of mind in this thing? If the person's not repented, if the person's not asked for your forgiveness or apologized or shown any sort of remorse, you know, you're not bitter. You're not sitting in this kind of bitter hatred thing. [00:26:59] Speaker A: Yeah, I still. I still pray for her every morning, but I don't go hang out with her, you know, like, she wants to hang out, talk about the end of the world, you know? Like the other day, number four called me at work about three weeks ago, and I returned her call, and we sat and talked, and then I get this long text of like, you shouldn't be calling her. While I'm at work. There's people, like, doing work, and people are doing this and doing that. I was like, I didn't call her. She called me. She's like. She said she. You called her. And I was like, oh, you know what? You're right. I was returning. Returning her call. She's like, well, during business hours, like, you shouldn't really be calling. I'm like, okay, bet. Gotcha. Deal. Then, like, two days ago, she calls her twice while she's with me at work. One time while I'm in a meeting with my client with the architects. And I'm like, dude. So I get like, I call her afterwards. She wants me to call her, so I call her afterwards. She's like, hey, you know, number four wants to come stay with me for a couple days, like, to see her friend at work. Is that cool? And I'm like, yeah, but let's talk about this, like, because you called twice that day, and you're the one who set up a couple weeks ago. We shouldn't be calling during work hours. She's like, well, I don't know, when you're busy. And I was like, exactly, like, why would you call? You know? She's like, well, I didn't call. Her friend called. Well, it's funny. It's from your phone. So it's almost like you gave her your phone to call. And she was like, oh, yeah. And she's getting so worked up about this. And I'm like, all I'm saying is, like, I want to play by the same rules. Like, do I not call her during your work hours? Do I call her during your work hours? You know, because you seem to not play those rules. And she got so pissed off, and she was like, you know what? That's fine. You know, I'll just text you if I want to talk to her. I was like, that's perfectly awesome. Text me first. I'll let you know if she's. If she's in my presence and I'm in a meeting or if she's in my presence and I'm busy, and then you can call her if she's not. You know, it's that simple. It's not like it's. It's fucking science, but everything science with her. [00:28:50] Speaker B: Everything'S a lab experiment. [00:28:52] Speaker A: You know what I'm saying, dude? Oh, my gosh. [00:28:57] Speaker B: Yeah, so, I mean, yeah, so there's just, like, no acknowledgement of wrong in that situation. So, like, how. How much is required of you, really? [00:29:10] Speaker A: Well, here's the shitty part, because it sounds like I haven't really forgiven her. After I just listen to that. After I let it go, I was like, well, sounds like I'm still holding on to some. [00:29:21] Speaker B: Sounds like you got a June bug in your garage. [00:29:25] Speaker A: Wish I do it. I'd kill it. [00:29:30] Speaker B: So to speak. [00:29:35] Speaker A: Honestly, I pray for her every morning. And when she calls or texts again after, like, she's texting. She's called since. And I'm just. I try and be nice. Hey, have a good day, you know, like, she did again this morning. I was like, hey, just want to touch base with you. Number four says she wanted to come back on Friday, 4th, July. And she's like. She didn't tell me that. I'm like, okay, well, she just told me that when she. When I was walking her out to your car, you didn't walk around. Number three did. And I'm like, walked them to the top of the stairs like I was walking them out. Okay. Like, I didn't. I know. I didn't walk to the car. I'm not gonna. [00:30:11] Speaker B: Why are you so determined to catch me in a lie? Why do you think I'm lying, dude? [00:30:16] Speaker A: It's like, fuck, man. So then I just ended it with. That's fine. I mean, we could bypass all this. I don't know why you get, you're, you're starting this now, but have a good day, let me know later. Whatever. When you talk to her was like, oh, my goodness, this, this chick. [00:30:33] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, that is. [00:30:37] Speaker A: Do you think you. [00:30:37] Speaker B: You're walking on eggshells there a little bit? [00:30:41] Speaker A: I don't walk on eggshells. I stomp on them. Do you think you. From a second. [00:30:46] Speaker B: Big deal. Big deal. Just stretch it. [00:30:52] Speaker A: Do you think you have actual healing when you forgive with a secular viewpoint of like, you know, the inner therapeutic nature, the inner emotional healing, the kind of requiring justice maybe? Do you think you really have healing from that? [00:31:13] Speaker B: So I'll counter with another question. So like, I already said, like, I can tell it's good for you because of how good it feels. Or rather I said I can tell how bad unforgiveness is because of how good it feels to forgive. Do you think that's a placebo or do you think there really is, like, something positive? [00:31:33] Speaker A: I definitely think it's psychological. [00:31:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:36] Speaker A: Which could be healing and. Yeah, I mean, I think it provides present peace and psychological because I mean, look at it this way. You have these people who don't believe in a higher being and they go to therapy and it's like their dad's done. Done died long time ago. And maybe he was abusive and you hear these stories all the time. Maybe he was abusive and then like, they're like, I forgive him. You know, like it's, it's, it's almost placebo effect, dude. Like you're trying to say you forgive him so that you can have that inner healing. And it's. I don't think in that case it's really forgiveness. I mean, there's a part of it tied into that. Don't get me wrong. I think it's more of just letting it go because there's not going to be an answer. Dude's dead and gone. [00:32:24] Speaker B: Yeah. When you say that made me think that, like, all non Christian worldviews are kind of trying to accomplish this fake version of the gospel where, like, things are reconciled and like your sin is as far from you as the east is from the west, but just not in a real way. So like a huge part of like secular therapy is forgiving yourself for things. And it's like, well, why would you. [00:33:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:01] Speaker B: Need to do that? Why, why would you. If it, if it's how I look, if it's so simple, is like, it's not a thing and you just need to let go of it, then why would it be such a big deal. [00:33:14] Speaker A: I think the forgiving yourself bit of it is people that hold on to too much. And I think some of these people are victims. Like I used to tell big country, like, oh, call svu. Here we go, Special Victims Unit. Like, you, you know, like, you are just making it so much worse on yourself. I think some people like that want. Almost want that. Like they want that. Like they. They're so used to chaos and misery that they're just, like, they don't know how to function without it. And so, like the forgive yourself thing, I. I do regret things I've done. However, I wouldn't be who I am with the mind that I have. And not that it's a great mind, but with. With the thoughts or the new, the outlooks and so forth if I didn't go through all that shitty stuff. And so, like, the forgive yourself part is like, I regret it, but I want to use it to learn and grow. Like, it's there. It's there, you know, I mean, like, you see the. There. I wrote in pen. You know what I mean? Like, there's no eraser marks on this damn paper. You know, I wrote in pen. I see all the scratch outs, you know, Our life is like writing in pen. There is no erasing things. It's. You scratch it out, you write the right answer. You know, you work. You work through to get the right answer, I guess is what I should say instead of like, you just write the right answer. But you work through. You work through the problem. And if you don't work through the problem, you know, you're gonna sit there and look at all those blots on your paper. Yeah, that's a shitty looking paper. But all the answers are correct now. You know, some of them might be a little off, but, dude, you're close. I mean, like, it's, you know, to kind of just scrunch up the paper and say, I'm gonna start over. I don't, you know, like, I forgive myself. It's doesn't erase the fact that you did that. Doesn't erase all the block marks on. On your paper. It just got the paper out of your. Out of your sight. [00:35:20] Speaker B: Yeah, but the. The cross does erase that stuff. [00:35:27] Speaker A: Yeah. From a secular view of forgive yourself, sure. [00:35:31] Speaker B: But it. It makes sense that they're trying to accomplish that without knowing how to really get that. [00:35:40] Speaker A: The cross is like that special paper, like the one you leave in the heat, heat, and you come back and all your notes are gone. Like that rocket pad. You Know what I mean? Like you just microwave it and it erases everything. [00:35:52] Speaker B: Yeah. Or an Etch A Sketch or. [00:35:56] Speaker A: Oh, something. Yeah. Went old school with it. [00:36:00] Speaker B: I think these analogies are getting away from us. But. But yeah. No, it just. It just sort of made me think. Yeah. The secular worldview just really falls short in a lot of areas. All areas. Yeah. [00:36:22] Speaker A: So what's up? Here's something that's kind of cool. There's some case studies done on secular versus biblical. Yeah, right. I thought that was cool too. Scenario Emily, a 38 year old professional, was emotionally manipulated and betrayed by her longtime friend Kara, who spread false rumors and cost Emily her job and several friendships. Kara never apologized or took responsibility. [00:36:51] Speaker B: Man, because she's a woman, that Kara. [00:36:54] Speaker A: Yeah, I think I married Kara. Response Emily went through months of therapy. Her therapist encouraged her to forgive not because Kara deserved it, but because caring resentment was damaging her mental health. Again, not because it was for self. It wasn't for. Well, I guess at the end of the day it's for. For self. I mean, you can't really erase completely. Self motive. Sure. Emily practiced mindfulness, journaling and visualization techniques. She eventually said, I forgive her. Not for her, but for me. Emily never spoke to Kara again. She let go of her anger and felt freer emotionally. She didn't pursue reconciliation or seek justice. Forgiveness was self focused and therapeutic. She did not view the offense as sin, but as a personal wound she chose to release. Key takeaway Forgiveness in this secular case was about personal healing and freedom. Freedom from emotional pain. There was no expectation of accountability, repentance or reconciliation. It provided relief but not restoration. Now case two, which is biblical forgiveness. James, a committed Christian husband, had a business partner and close friend named David. David embezzled money from their joint business and tried to cover it up. The betrayal financially devastated James family. Months later, David was caught, confessed and deeply repented. Broken over his sin response, James wrestled with anger, pain and desire for revenge. But through prayer, scripture and pastoral counsel, he was reminded of God's forgiveness towards him. James chose to forgive David not because it was easy, but because it was because of Christ's mercy. He told David, what you did was wrong and it hurt deeply, but I forgive you. Jesus paid for both of our debts. The outcome? James forgave David as an act of obedience and grace. The two didn't immediately restore their business relationship, but began rebuilding trust slowly. James reported that forgiveness brought not just emotional relief, but spiritual healing. His children witnessed forgiveness, modeled and opened deeper conversations about the gospel. Key takeaway this Is forgiveness anchored in the gospel flowing from James awareness of being forgiven by God. It involved acknowledging sin, offering grace, and seeking reconciliation, which I think is. Is a. An element we didn't really talk on yet. Is spiritual healing, like, the spiritual aspect of things. I think when coupled with last week's topic of prayer, you know, how can you as a debt collector go before someone who's wiped your debt clean? You know, like, how. How can you go before them and say, okay, hey, hey, hey, hey. Like, I know I still. I still have the bill, if you will, that David owes me, but, you know, please forgive me of my debts, please forgive me of my trespasses. Please forgive me of my sins. And I think it just. I don't know, man. I'm kind of caught on the deaf ear part of it too. Like, does that fall on deaf ears? You know, the Bible says it three or four places that God turns his face away from the prayers of sinners. Not sinners, but the prayers of those who are in sin, if you will. [00:40:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:36] Speaker A: But. [00:40:39] Speaker B: Yeah, so are we in sin if we've been forgiven and wiped clean by the cross? [00:40:50] Speaker A: I don't know, man, because it talks about. He. He. He doesn't hear the. The prayers of. Of those in sin. But then there's the ultimate prayer of, like, salvation. [00:41:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:41:02] Speaker A: You know, and I'm not saying that it's all in a prayer, but of course you go to the Lord while you're still in sin and you're like, hey, help me with this. You know, again, I think it's the living in sin and struggling with sin. [00:41:14] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Huh? Yeah, I'd have to think about that. I. I wonder how our, like, our forensic standing before God would kind of affect that, you know, because. Because we'd be close to saying, like, well, you have to do X, Y, and Z before you can go to him. [00:41:49] Speaker A: Yeah. And here's the thing. In that example of David and James, there was reconciliation sought on David's behalf, the offender. [00:41:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:01] Speaker A: Now, I did look up a case study. I say case study. These sound more like examples of someone who didn't look up and what we should be doing, who didn't seek reconciliation. Forgiveness. This person had to come to understand forgiveness is not the same as trust or reconciliation. We're not obligated to put ourselves back into an unsafe or toxic relationship. Biblical forgiveness is a heart posture, not always a relational outcome. We could release the offense to God, but if he never. Even if the other party doesn't admit their guilt. And forgiveness means canceling the debt that was. That was tempted to collect the right to hate, to get revenge, or to demand restitution. [00:43:01] Speaker B: So they're saying there's a difference between reconciliation and forgiveness. Like, reconciliation is a benefit of forgiveness that may or may not follow. [00:43:13] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean. Well, let's look at it. Dude, you okay? This is kind of creepy, but we're both dads, and for some reason, my TikTok's been full of PDF files getting slapped out of, like, slapped the shit out of them for trying to meet up with kids. [00:43:29] Speaker B: Nice. [00:43:30] Speaker A: Let's say someone, a family member does something to a kid. You're gonna see this family member at events, if you go to family functions. They did something to your child. Where are you at? [00:43:41] Speaker B: My child would never be around them again. [00:43:46] Speaker A: Okay, so there's no reconciliation there? [00:43:49] Speaker B: No. [00:43:50] Speaker A: Do you forgive them? [00:43:56] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, that would depend on, like, I don't know, maybe not. Because, like, they could apologize, they could go to counseling, they could do some time in jail. None of that is going to change the fact that I think pedophiles should die. So, like, I don't know how police lose their. [00:44:23] Speaker A: Their manhood. [00:44:25] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. That's a start. I don't know how much forgiveness I could really have towards someone if I thought that they had not been sufficiently punished for their crime. [00:44:45] Speaker A: Okay, so let's say he did some time and he got out and he's saying sorry and he wants to make things right. Time. [00:44:54] Speaker B: So that's my point, is that I don't. That's not enough. [00:44:57] Speaker A: Yeah. You seek justice. You're seeking justice. [00:45:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:02] Speaker A: Okay, so yours is very conditional, depending on who it is. Like, to you, it's different than to your child. [00:45:12] Speaker B: What do you mean? [00:45:14] Speaker A: Well, if he had done something towards you, I'm not saying molest you or anything, but you would probably be easier to forgive than someone in your care that is your child or wife. [00:45:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, if he. Let's say he murdered me, and I have some kind of thought about that, you know, after death, I still think he should die for that crime. So, like, then. Then I guess, like, what is forgiveness if you still kind of feel that the debt is not paid, you know? [00:46:01] Speaker A: Yeah. So you're seeking debt, you're seeking justice. [00:46:05] Speaker B: Yes. [00:46:08] Speaker A: Okay. [00:46:10] Speaker B: In that. In that instance, I mean, if someone stole $20 from me, that's, you know, that's an easier. [00:46:16] Speaker A: Yeah, it's $20. I get that. But, yeah. Someone takes your innocence, that's. That's, you know, totally different. [00:46:22] Speaker B: Yeah. So I mean, I don't know. That's. That's what I'm, like, struggling to figure out is, like, where would it be? Just me saying, like, I forgive you. You know, Like, I. Where would my heart be at if I felt that that wrong had not really been righted? Even if I said, I forget, he's truly repentant. [00:46:44] Speaker A: He's, like, crying in front of you, saying he's so sorry, and he doesn't know what happened. Maybe he was drunk and you left your child with him, and, you know, he's. But he's sorry. What? No, it came over. [00:46:59] Speaker B: What was my daughter wearing at the time? [00:47:03] Speaker A: Oh, probably one of those little, tiny, tiny baby outfits. [00:47:11] Speaker B: Oh, well, I mean, come on. This guy's got a pulse, doesn't he? Yeah. I mean, like, I think. I think I could forgive. I don't know. I mean, like, is that disrespectful to my daughter to even forgive the guy? [00:47:30] Speaker A: I mean, so, you know, being victim of molestation young, I. I had a lot of animosity towards the guy, for sure, just because of how I felt. I mean, there's a lot that comes with that, you know, it's like my first experience at that point is. Is with a male. You know what I mean? Like, don't get me wrong, I fooled around when I was in elementary school, but now, you know, like, my first actual, like, fucking shit is with this guy. And I'm not gonna lie. When I turned 18, I was like, okay. Like, I had a lot of issues to still work through, but I think with that, I just came to the kind of understanding that it wasn't something I did, you know, it wasn't something I did. And that helped me let it go, Like. But that was also part of the issue. I had my parents, like, how in the. Would you let me go with someone, a grown man, who's not even a family member, you know? But again, I don't think my parents were like, let's send him off to molestation camp. They were like, hey, you know, like, he really wants to do it, dude. Seems legit, you know? Like, think they had. Not my best interest, but I don't think they saw red flags. [00:48:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:01] Speaker A: And I don't think it was malicious. So for me, it's kind of like it's on him, you know? Mm. But that's me, you know? Like, if. If I was to meet him now, and he's like, hey, I've come to the Lord, you know, I'm really sorry about what happened when you were younger. I shouldn't have done that. I don't think I'd have an issue with them, however. I wouldn't forget, and I wouldn't let him, like, kick it with my. My daughter. Yeah, for sure. [00:49:34] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, I. I can see a world in which someone could come to me and be so repentant and so sorry. And I. I could see kind of forgiving them, I guess. I mean, like, I'm. I'm struggling to even define, like, what that would really mean in this situation, but, I mean, yeah, I could. I could kind of see, like, a forgiveness and a letting it go. But I'm. I'm just wondering in this specific example, like, I would, like, am I really forgiving them if I'm seeking justice or if I consider a debt unpaid or, you know. [00:50:28] Speaker A: Well, I think that's that, but that's. That's. That's something you got to work through. I mean, like, for me, I'm not seeking justice on this guy. [00:50:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:36] Speaker A: But, like, I did end up going. [00:50:39] Speaker B: I think that pedophiles should be executed, like, get the death penalty for what they do. So, like, having that belief, any pedophile who repents or does therapy or does time in jail or whatever, they've still not fully paid their debt to society, if you want to use that lingo. So I still consider the debt unpaid as long as this guy's breathing. So I can forgive him if he's down on his knees right in front of me, you know, begging for my forgiveness, but I don't consider it done, you know, in a sense. [00:51:23] Speaker A: So you're kind of like, I forgive you, Charlie, but you're still pulling out like the desert eagle. [00:51:31] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I would. I would almost certainly spend the rest of my life in jail if. If someone molested my child and I had the opportunity to get hands on them, it would. It would probably just end. [00:51:51] Speaker A: I'm not gonna lie. I. I have the same thought, however. This is the world I live in. I definitely want. I'm definitely going to be like, I'm sorry, Lord. I cannot. Cannot forgive this individual again. For me, it's easier. It happened to me. So I don't mind taking the bullet to say, okay, I lived through that. Now I know as a parent, never to let my daughters. [00:52:18] Speaker B: Yes. [00:52:18] Speaker A: Be in that type of situation. But now if you did something to my daughter or my daughter is one of them, I'm. I'm gonna let it go for a good five, six years. I'm just gonna. I'M gonna focus on my daughter. I'll make sure we can work through the process. And I'm also going to make sure I'm no longer a suspect. [00:52:44] Speaker B: Yeah, I kind of figured that's where you were going with it. Yeah. Yeah, man. But then imagine this. Imagine you catch them in the act. [00:53:00] Speaker A: And he's right there in the act. [00:53:04] Speaker B: It's done. [00:53:05] Speaker A: It's done. [00:53:05] Speaker B: Okay. [00:53:06] Speaker A: You remember that? Okay. I don't know if you ever saw that news. The news report of a dad that walked in on his neighbor, the void. The 17 year old neighbor doing it to his, like, baby. It was a baby. It wasn't even, like, I'm not saying baby as in like, it was the dad's baby girl. No, no, like, it was a baby dad. Molly whopped him and got off because it was actually in the act and the dad beat the living crap out of this kid. Like, this kid. [00:53:35] Speaker B: Well, that's second degree. [00:53:37] Speaker A: The dad just. What's that? [00:53:40] Speaker B: That's second degree. [00:53:42] Speaker A: Well, at the same time, dude, you can't say that you're in the right state of mind. [00:53:46] Speaker B: No. [00:53:46] Speaker A: Yeah, you walk in, you see something like, honestly, you go red, bro. Like. [00:53:52] Speaker B: Yeah, that's not premeditated. [00:53:55] Speaker A: No. There's a good chance the dude won't live if I do it. [00:54:00] Speaker B: Yeah. So what do you imagine yourself doing to this guy? Because I think about stuff like this all the time. [00:54:09] Speaker A: Oh, dude, honestly, like in the real real, like, the reality of it, I would probably, probably just beat him till he didn't breathe. Like, I would probably not stop until the dude was, was, was out of breath. I don't know if I would have the right state of mind to go get an actual, like, weapon. Get the torture tool set out. You know, like if the premeditated part of it is like, okay, I don't want to kill you. I don't want to kill you, but I definitely want to. I want your tongue. I want your, your hands. I want your knees down. Like, I want those. [00:54:47] Speaker B: Yes. [00:54:48] Speaker A: You know, and we're cauterizing everything. Mm. And then I'm taking your manhood and we're cauterizing that. Like everything's getting caught. All right. So that you don't bleed out on me. Like, I want you alive like this the rest of your life. Every time you look in a mirror, every time someone talks to you, every time, like, I want you to remember how you got here. [00:55:08] Speaker B: Yeah. Fuck, I like that. I thought at first, like, nah, this is too methodical. You're taking the passion out of it. But, no, I like where you ended up with that. I've always imagined beating them to the point that they can't fight back anymore and then just strangling. I think I would really, really like to strangle someone to death. [00:55:37] Speaker A: My bed's free. I. I'm. I'm. I'm serious. I don't want them, like. I think that's the easy way out. I really do. I think that's the easy way out for them. Like, you just kill them and they lifelessly go into the afterlife or, you know, before God. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. There's plenty of time for them to be like, I'm so sorry, Lord. This dude's beating the shit out of me. I'm so sorry. Please forgive me. You know what I mean? No, no, no. I want them to be able to def. And always remembering. [00:56:20] Speaker B: That is. That is crazy. That's awesome. You're not wiping every time. It's the rest of your life. [00:56:27] Speaker A: They got here. Yeah, exactly, dude. Got some on your nub. That sucks. Yeah. [00:56:34] Speaker B: Some on your. No. Well, there's the title of the episode. [00:56:41] Speaker A: And now that we think about this, I'm glad we're talking this through because I think I'm going to stress that chocolate chip shar starfish out so far that they can't hold in a fart. [00:56:52] Speaker B: Every fart on themselves. [00:56:55] Speaker A: Yeah. Just constant on themselves. [00:56:58] Speaker B: Oh, man. Yeah. I've also. [00:57:01] Speaker A: Even if they get in the. The opportunity to be with another child, they're going to just constantly smell their own. You ever been. You ever been in a situation where a girl didn't wipe so well? It's not a big turn on. Yeah, you're kind of like, how do I find the door out now? [00:57:20] Speaker B: No, I moved past it. I forgave. [00:57:28] Speaker A: You down there and cleaned it real quick. [00:57:32] Speaker B: No, I just turned her over. Went in a different way. I have also imagined because I always have a knife on me. And this. This will be really incriminating as a podcast if anything ever happens, but, you know, my thing is, like, okay, if you're ever losing a fight, well, you got the trump card. I mean, I've got a knife on you. Your fists aren't getting anywhere near me without an issue. But I really. I really think I would like to drag the knife across someone's stomach and let their intestines fall out like in a movie. I just don't think that happens in real life. [00:58:12] Speaker A: We shall hopefully we never find out, but if. If Something does happen, best believe we'll at least find out once. Here's the thing, though. Do you know how to use a knife if you get into a fight? Because. Never. Yeah, but. But I mean, if you're going against a guy who has somewhat of an idea of how to fight, never bring some to a fight that you want used on you. If you don't know how to use what you're bringing to that fight. [00:58:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:58:43] Speaker A: If you don't know how to use a gun, don't bring a gun to a gunfight. Just don't go to the fight. [00:58:48] Speaker B: Sure. My. [00:58:50] Speaker A: Because once it gets taken from you, that's what you die by. [00:58:54] Speaker B: Yeah. My. My strategy has always been to crowd, so get so close to them that they can't land a punch on you properly. And then depending on how bad it is, I mean, if this guy's, like, threatening to kill me. Body shots. That knife's going into organs. That. That knife's going into the side. It's going everywhere. I mean, I'm gonna keep going till he can't fight anymore. [00:59:19] Speaker A: If he's just giving a thug hug. [00:59:22] Speaker B: If he's. If he's got the upper hand on me, and I'm, like, on the ground, and I'm not gonna win this fight. Fight, I might take it out and, like, slash a little bit at his wrists or his arms or something until he backs away, you know? But they. They tell. I mean, part of police training is do not let someone with a knife get within 14ft of you, because even if you've got a gun, you're getting stabbed with that knife. [00:59:49] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm. I'm. So here's. Here's a story that goes with that. First of all, I'm going arteries. I'm going inner thighs. I'm going like, okay, there was a cop that was. I saw this on Tik Tok. It's. It's on his cop cam, and they're looking for, like, there was a car accident. They're looking for the female. It's next to a beachy area, and it's kind of. It reminded me of, like, Rhode island, because he was walking. Walking through the backs of houses and then had to go down on, like, wooden stairs to get to, like, a deck and then down more stairs to get to the actual beach, you know? And so he finds the girl. He catches up to her, and he's, like, talking to her, and she's got her hands behind her back, bro. And she. He's like, hey, like, you know, let's Just go back up. Let's just talk about this. Like, are you okay? Is anybody hurt? She's like, no. She's kind of freaking out. She seemed like something was wrong with her. Straight stabs the dude when he gets close. Straight stabs him like, three times before he could re. Like, react. [01:00:51] Speaker B: Damn. Yeah, you'd think a cop would be smarter than that if someone had had their hands behind their back the whole time. [01:01:00] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm not going to lie. I was kind of like, serves you right, dude. You apparently slept through training because, I mean, even me, I don't do that. [01:01:07] Speaker B: Yeah, I saw this crazy body cam video one time of this guy on PCP who had a knife. And there were like six cops surrounding him, like, in a pretty wide area. It was, like, out in the middle of the street. And like, they. They were begging this guy to stop because they didn't want to shoot him. And one guy ended up putting, like, four rounds into his chest. And he got back up and he got the knife out and he started charging again. [01:01:39] Speaker A: And. [01:01:40] Speaker B: And it was just such a real moment when the cop just goes, come on, man, please, like, please don't make me do this. And then they just had to unload another magazine on him. It was nuts. [01:01:54] Speaker A: So here's the thing, dude. PCP is crazy, bro. Yeah, PCP, it. It tastes like. It tastes like smoking. WD40. Yeah, I've done PCP. [01:02:05] Speaker B: How crazy was it? [01:02:09] Speaker A: I. I took it light. It was a sherm. It was a. It was a sherm stick, but with a blunt instead of like a soup. It wasn't a super cool. It was like, that's where you dip a menthol into pcp. This was like a wet stick, a sherm stick. So you dip your weed in it after you roll it, and then you, like, kind of let it dry, and then you smoke it. And for me, not doing it ever. I took it light. [01:02:34] Speaker B: I. [01:02:35] Speaker A: You know, my. My puffs weren't real big puffs. My friends, they were puffer fish. And those guys. Those guys, I mean, like, they couldn't remember what they just did an hour ago. You know what I mean? Like, they were. They. Like, the dude that did it with me ended up the whole house did it, but the dude that came with me end up pissing in the bed of the people that we were visiting. He gets up, starts to drink out of his shoe. Like it's a 40. Like, there was nothing in it, but he thought it was like his 40. And he starts, like, trying to drink out of it. His shoe. And then I'm like, all right, we have to go back home. Don't piss in my car. That's the only rule I got. Don't piss. My Pissed in my car, dude. And didn't even know it. We go to a party that night. No one wants to be around him because he. He reeks of piss. And he doesn't understand why. He's like, I don't get why everyone's, like, not wanting to hang out with me. Everybody's avoiding me, and I'm like, eureka. Pissed you because you peed in my car. You peed on yourself while you were sleeping. And he's like, did I really? And then literally go about 20, 30 minutes, he forgets it all over again. [01:03:46] Speaker B: That doesn't sound fun. [01:03:49] Speaker A: No, man. And I was expecting some rowdy. Cuz I've heard PCP stories, so I'm expecting. But that's what Smokey. Smokey went crazy over in Friday. I've never seen some angel dust on my. [01:04:04] Speaker B: Never seen it. [01:04:06] Speaker A: Oh, that. Wow. Well, we got a night planned when you're in town. [01:04:12] Speaker B: Y. And then next Friday. And then last Friday. [01:04:21] Speaker A: It's the Friday after next. [01:04:23] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, you're right. I. I've always heard the bye Felicia part. And like, people. People will always say, like, bye, Felicia. Like, crazy like that. And then I saw the clip of it, and it was nowhere near that dramatic. He just goes by, yeah, like, why. Why does it. It's like a Mandela effect. Like, why does everyone remember it that way? [01:04:50] Speaker A: It's crazy. Okay, let's. Let's talk about Nelson Mandela is another man known for forgiveness. Mandela effect. [01:04:58] Speaker B: Yep. [01:05:01] Speaker A: What's the whole goal behind it? Like, they're getting rid of movies like Shazam. The first Shazam Was Sinbad. It wasn't Shaquille o'. Neal. And now to find a Shazam With Sinbad is really difficult to find. [01:05:14] Speaker B: That is fake, from what I heard. [01:05:19] Speaker A: I watched it. [01:05:21] Speaker B: So this is. So there's two different ideas of the Mandela effect. There's one kind of like what I just described with Friday, where, like, I might think that the scene in Friday is, like, big and dramatic like that, because that's what. What I've heard people do. Another one is like, Luke, I'm your father. That's not what he says. It's. No, I'm your father. That's the line. But everyone remember, I've seen Empire 50 times, and I still think it's Luke, I'm your father. You know what I mean? So like, so, like, culture can kind of affect your memory of how these things went. But, like, apparently the Shazam VHS is Photoshopped. Like, the guy came out and admitted it was Photoshopped, but everyone remembered a black dude as a genie and it was Kazam, not Shazam. But, like, it was a close enough name, right, that everyone. Everyone just remembered that as if it really happened because that's how it was presented to them. But the other idea of the Mandela Effect is that there's parallel universes. And whenever we see something that's a little bit off, it's the. It's another universe bleeding in. So we, you know, there was a universe where Shazam Came out in the 90s and it was Sinbad, and that's not the universe we're living in, but we got some kind of bleed through or some kind of, you know, vision of that. And so we remember it happening even though it wasn't. Wasn't our universe, which I obviously don't believe. [01:07:05] Speaker A: That'S funny. They don't even have Kazam as one of his movies now. Now I'm. Now I'm on a manhunt, bro. [01:07:16] Speaker B: I. Yeah, I mean, it's also possible that someone lied about photoshopping it. [01:07:25] Speaker A: I assume there's like this big thing of, like, not being able to find this movie. And I'm like, there's no way, dude. There's no way. [01:07:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Does. Did the Fruit of the Loom logo ever have a basket in it? [01:07:49] Speaker A: I think we think it did because of, like, cornucopia type stuff. [01:07:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:56] Speaker A: But I can't necessarily. I can't say it did. [01:07:59] Speaker B: Yeah, apparently it didn't, but everyone remembers it. And then I've seen pictures of like, old T shirts with that logo on it, but then it's like, okay, well, someone could have Photoshop, you know, I don't know. [01:08:14] Speaker A: Dude. They have not nothing of. There's no Zam in his credits for movies he's acted in. [01:08:20] Speaker B: Sinbad. [01:08:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:08:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:08:24] Speaker A: Now I remember watching it because I thought it was a shitty movie. I was like, I don't. Yeah, it is Shazam, dude. [01:08:33] Speaker B: No, Shazam was a new movie. And when he. When that. It was like 10 years ago that that movie came out, when it was announced, someone did this Photoshop thing of the original Shazam and said sinbad already did a genie movie called Shazam in the 90s. And then everyone remembered Kazaam with Shaquille O' Neal and was like, oh, yeah, I remember seeing that movie, but it wasn't a Real movie. [01:09:04] Speaker A: Dude, I think. [01:09:08] Speaker B: Was the Shazam. Was the Shazam on his list from like 2015? [01:09:15] Speaker A: No, but it is. They do have an IMDb related to it with actual pictures of what I remember watching. Because I've watched that movie as a kid. [01:09:27] Speaker B: Huh? [01:09:28] Speaker A: You got 8.3. It's a movie from the 90s. I don't know, man. I don't know. I remember watching that movie, seeing these pictures, but they're not in his IMDb and it's. It is Shazam. [01:09:47] Speaker B: The idea of Sinbad starring in a genie movie called Shazam Is a popular example of the Mandela effect. Despite widespread claims of remembering the movie, it never existed. That's so up. Sinbad himself has addressed the misconception, acknowledging the persistent belief in his starring role. Even though he never made such a film. He's joked about it, even referencing his crack fueled involvement in the fictional movie. The confusion is often linked to the movie Kazaam featuring Shaquille o'. Neal. [01:10:23] Speaker A: Okay. You don't remember that picture? [01:10:26] Speaker B: Nah. [01:10:29] Speaker A: Did you ever watch Shazam? [01:10:31] Speaker B: No, because it never existed. But did IMDb make a fake page for it as a joke? [01:10:41] Speaker A: No. It said we found Cinderbad's Shazam Genie movie. But it says somewhere in a parallel universe, Sinbad's long forgotten genie movies uncovered. [01:10:51] Speaker B: At least long last h. And it's crazy. So you remember that picture? [01:10:58] Speaker A: No, I remember him dressed like that in a movie. [01:11:02] Speaker B: Hold on. [01:11:03] Speaker A: I watched that damn movie as a kid. [01:11:05] Speaker B: Listen to this. I'm 50. I managed a Blockbuster video. Shazam Was a movie starring Sinbad. I managed a Blockbuster and then an independent video store. Up until 2009, it was a popular rental. Kids videos that were popular were the bread and butter of the business. Parents were constantly rent the same kids movies over and over. This was one of the popular ones. I can't remember if it was called Shazam Or Kazam. But there was definitely a kids genie movie starring Sinbad. That. It looks like that is so A.I. dude, that looks so fake. [01:11:44] Speaker A: No, dude. Hold on. Dude, that's not AI. I've watched that, bro. [01:11:51] Speaker B: Are you sure that that's not a scene from Kazam? [01:11:55] Speaker A: I cannot. Hold on. [01:11:56] Speaker B: Hold on. [01:11:56] Speaker A: I cannot believe. Are you sure we're having this? [01:11:59] Speaker B: Are you sure that's not a scene from Kazam? And they deep faked Sinbad's face onto Shaquille o'. Neal. [01:12:07] Speaker A: I am dead ass positive. That is not Shaquille's body. [01:12:12] Speaker B: He's all dressed up like a genie. How do you know Shaquille's got shoulders, bro. [01:12:17] Speaker A: This dude ain't got no shoulders. I don't know what the thing is behind it, but. And Shaquille's Shazam. Or Kazam. The Kazam. He. He had, like, a lot of. He was like genie gold. He wasn't like purples and royal colors. Like, he was like. Like godly in that sense of, like, the. The stuff he wore, but off. Dude, I see you looking at me all. [01:12:53] Speaker B: No, no, no. I just. I came across a really cunty comment on this one. This person says the big issue with this movie in quotation marks is, is that everyone's recollections are radically different from one to the next. Nothing is consistent about anyone's memories other than they remember the movie existing. One person will remember it came out in theaters, while the next remembers it being straight to video or a dcom. I don't know what that is. Some claim it was erased very shortly upon its release, while others give the impression it was around for years and years before it suddenly just stopped existing one day. [01:13:36] Speaker A: All right, all right, all right. I found a video of Sinbad. And he says he confesses to doing the movie. I can't get the sound up. It's on Facebook. I don't have Facebook. And he says, I did do the movie because of crack. I needed crack money. It's a great movie because I had no genie skills. I think most movies, you have to bring some. Something out of yourself. I never been a genie nor magical powers. I was learning. [01:14:05] Speaker B: So this. This right here. [01:14:08] Speaker A: It's a live interview. [01:14:09] Speaker B: This right here says. [01:14:10] Speaker A: I'm just reading the. Hold on. [01:14:11] Speaker B: I'm going to read you something right here. This says, Sinbad has joked about it, even referencing his crack fueled involvement in the fictional movie. [01:14:23] Speaker A: Dude, look it up. Oh, here it is. Here it is. Here it is. [01:14:26] Speaker C: Out of the video stores. [01:14:28] Speaker A: I'm lucky. [01:14:28] Speaker C: There's a lot of crack. [01:14:30] Speaker A: I was staying. There you go, my friend. Can you hear that? [01:14:34] Speaker B: Yeah, I can hear. [01:14:35] Speaker C: Shazam. [01:14:35] Speaker A: I'm not. I'm not proud of it. [01:14:37] Speaker C: I did Shazam. I was doing a lot of crack. I was staying in crack houses and the dishes down for crack money. I. I knew it was gonna be a great movie because I have no genie skills. I think most movies have to bring something out of yourself. And I've never been a genie or had magical powers. It was a learning process for me as I was doing this movie. Just getting into the lamp. I took a lot of yoga, a lot of Crisco oil to slide up into that Lamp. So, you know, I injured myself. I had a rotator cuff injury. But, you know, I'm not crying. I'm not crying because I'm tough. For those who said, hey, you saw Shazam when I was growing up. Yeah, you, you did. [01:15:08] Speaker A: You. [01:15:09] Speaker C: It, it, it did exist. It took a lot of government intervention to get those videos out of people's homes and out of the video stores. I'm lucky because I'm ex military, ex Special Forces. So we were able to do a. [01:15:21] Speaker B: Lot of this guy's around big time. [01:15:24] Speaker C: Dude, away from people. [01:15:26] Speaker B: He said he had to lather himself up with Crisco to slide up into the lamp. And then he said he was Special Forces. [01:15:37] Speaker A: Dude, tell me you've never used Crisco oil to. To pleasure yourself. [01:15:41] Speaker B: He's around, dude. [01:15:45] Speaker A: Dude, this don't wait. Get out of here, bro. I remember watching this movie at my house. [01:15:51] Speaker B: You watched Kazam as a kid having the vhs. I'm certain you watched Kazam. And then the power. I've seen Kazam too. [01:15:59] Speaker A: It also is stupid and corny, but it was different. It was a different thing. Like that was with the little boy. This is with kids. [01:16:07] Speaker B: It was a different thing. Okay, so, okay, so then tell me, what is the. What is the motivation? What? [01:16:20] Speaker A: Hey, hey. [01:16:23] Speaker B: What's the motivation for erasing this movie? [01:16:30] Speaker A: I don't know the purpose of erase in this movie. I really don't, man. [01:16:37] Speaker B: Well, that's kind of an important part of the puzzle. [01:16:42] Speaker A: I don't. Well, I haven't figured that part out yet. I just know I've seen the movie. Oh, you. [01:16:50] Speaker B: Dude, I know. [01:16:51] Speaker A: I'm pulling. [01:16:51] Speaker B: I'm pulling up images of the, the COVID There appears to only be one or two images of the COVID I would think at this point like a million people would be posting a picture of their VHS if it existed. [01:17:16] Speaker A: You just heard the man. [01:17:17] Speaker B: He was around in existence. Dude. So many. [01:17:24] Speaker A: It don't sound like he's fucking around. [01:17:26] Speaker B: Don't get me wrong. [01:17:28] Speaker A: Guy was ex military. [01:17:30] Speaker B: I'm. I'm not even saying. I'm not saying everyone and their brother would have a copy of this movie, but like hundreds of people would still have a copy of this somewhere. And they would be taking pictures of it and, and uploading it somewhere to prove that it existed. The movie would exist somewhere online. [01:17:58] Speaker A: Okay, let's see if it does. [01:18:00] Speaker B: Please you guy, please, by all, by all means, find me this movie. [01:18:07] Speaker A: That's. [01:18:07] Speaker B: That's what sucks about AI. Now AI can make us this movie. [01:18:12] Speaker A: Dude, get the out of here, bro. This. It's AI. I know AI is that good, but off, dude. Like, I didn't watch an AI movie as a kid. [01:18:21] Speaker B: I'm saying you watched Kazam, and they can AI his face onto Shaq's face. [01:18:29] Speaker A: And now, before, Shaq was around, and. [01:18:32] Speaker B: Now AI can completely fabricate this movie from scratch and. And people can see it and think that it exist. [01:18:46] Speaker A: Whatever, bro. Whatever. I'm finding this thing. Watch. I might not find tonight, but I'm finding it. [01:18:52] Speaker B: I wish you would. [01:18:53] Speaker A: Finding it. [01:18:53] Speaker B: I wish you would. Hey, you know what? Forgive me. [01:19:02] Speaker A: I'm listening. [01:19:03] Speaker B: Forgive me. [01:19:07] Speaker A: Shaq was in Kazam. [01:19:09] Speaker B: Yes. That's what I've been saying. [01:19:11] Speaker A: Shazam. [01:19:12] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah, you're right. [01:19:24] Speaker A: I'm finding it. [01:19:25] Speaker B: You're so upset, it's crazy. [01:19:29] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm upset cuz you think I'm, like, losing my mind. [01:19:33] Speaker B: No, I don't think you're. [01:19:35] Speaker A: This is. This is that island all over again, bro. That's what this is. This is Shutter island all over. [01:19:47] Speaker B: I think that the. There are so many people who believe that this movie existed. I don't think you're losing your mind. [01:19:59] Speaker A: You have to think I'm losing my mind, bro, because you're sitting here like, I think all of you guys watched Kazam and then AI when this all came up, you guys just saw an AI. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Attic. You do you. [01:20:16] Speaker B: Okay, I'll get. I'll give you an example of the power of suggestion. Now, I'm saying this to be nice, and you're just gonna make fun of me, so I'm getting out in front of that. I watched this movie. Did I talk about it on the podcast already? I might have. I watched this. [01:20:33] Speaker A: What movie is it, my friend? [01:20:34] Speaker B: It's Saturday night, and it's a movie that came out last year, and it's all about the first episode of Saturday Night Live. [01:20:42] Speaker A: Yes. [01:20:43] Speaker B: So I was watching this movie, and this guy played Chevy Chase, and he did a really. He looked a lot like Chevy Chase. He did a really good impression of him. And then I see this guy, I was like, Whoa, that's Joel McHale. Which is crazy, because Joel McHale was on a show with Chevy Chase for a while, and then he played Chevy Chase in the National Lampoons movie. And so here he is alongside someone else playing Chevy Chase. That's so crazy that he would. He would be here. So I tell my wife, I'm like, hey, babe, Joel McHale's in this movie. And then she's like, oh, yeah? [01:21:24] Speaker A: Where? [01:21:25] Speaker B: And I point him out, and she's like, that's not Joel McHale. And then, like, I start looking at it. Not only is this guy not Joel McHale. I'm serious. Not only is this guy not Joel McHale, you're. [01:21:35] Speaker A: You're trying to compare an identity mistake over. [01:21:38] Speaker B: No, no, no, no, no, no. It goes beyond an identity mistake. This guy looked nothing like Joel McHale. It was the simple presence of someone playing Chevy Chase that made me look for Joel McHale. And I found someone who didn't look anything like him. And I said, that's Joel McHale right there. And it's like, that's. That's how. [01:22:01] Speaker A: Tie this back into Shazam. Kazam. Without tying it with getting ahead of it. [01:22:06] Speaker B: Time it back in. You remember a black genie. And the second someone presented to you this movie. You remembered this movie. It's actually not as crazy as seeing someone look like Joel McHale who's not Joel McHale. It wasn't a memorable movie. Now, if someone came out and said, you know, Jurassic park actually came out two years earlier and it starred Eddie Murphy, you would be like, okay, that definitely didn't happen. Yeah, that's like the one in Image of that vhs. [01:22:43] Speaker A: Oh, my. [01:22:44] Speaker B: There's no other pictures of it. [01:22:46] Speaker A: Dude, it wasn't a big movie to have more than one pic. I'm finding it, bro. [01:22:51] Speaker B: Okay. [01:22:52] Speaker A: Find. [01:22:52] Speaker B: Actually, what I found was there are multiple posters of it, and they're all wildly different. [01:22:57] Speaker A: Yes, I saw that too, because they're photo with him in white. I gotta find this now. [01:23:07] Speaker B: You really think you're gonna debunk something that hundreds, if not thousands of people have talked about? [01:23:18] Speaker A: At least you admit thousands of people have seen this movie. [01:23:21] Speaker B: Thousands of people think they've seen this movie, and they've tried to prove it. [01:23:31] Speaker A: Oh, I'm about to release, like, a Tik Tok. That's like, I will give $1,000 anybody that could find the movie. Shazam. [01:23:39] Speaker B: You wouldn't be the first huge. [01:23:43] Speaker A: I think I would. For $1,000. [01:23:46] Speaker B: YouTube channels have tried to debunk this. [01:23:54] Speaker A: All right. [01:23:55] Speaker B: Okay. You are so mad. [01:24:03] Speaker A: I cannot stand the fact that you just like. No, no, no. The. Hundreds of people, thousands have thought they saw this movie. No. Off, Dude, Literally. [01:24:13] Speaker B: I've. [01:24:14] Speaker A: I'm gonna find it. [01:24:15] Speaker B: I've met tons of people who think they saw this movie. I'm not. I'm not cast. [01:24:27] Speaker A: Oh, good for you. [01:24:38] Speaker B: Well, I. I don't want to cut it short, but my phone is about to Die and my phone charged. [01:24:48] Speaker A: No, I'm totally fine with cutting it short until I. Until I find this. [01:24:52] Speaker B: You're mad. [01:24:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:24:55] Speaker B: On the episode about forgiveness. You got mad at me about a fake movie, which. Which apparently was crucial to your childhood. It was the cornerstone of your childhood, apparently. [01:25:13] Speaker A: I just love the fact that you remind me a lot of my ex. Pushing buttons, bro. Just pushing the buttons. You're just like, nah, dude. Like, you're getting mad over, like, something that's not even real. And I'm like, no, it's real. You're like, nah, not ain't, man. Not ain't. Don't get mad over something that's fake, all right? [01:25:32] Speaker B: I'm gaslighting you. [01:25:37] Speaker A: You know what? I wouldn't go that far. But you have your beliefs. [01:25:41] Speaker B: You have your beliefs. [01:25:47] Speaker A: I'm. I'm. I. I don't know. I'm gonna find it. I'm gonna find it. It was a Disney movie, bro. [01:25:54] Speaker B: I hope you find it. I hope that you can find some peace in this journey. [01:26:04] Speaker A: Dude, where. What. What happened to, like, what took the place of. Pirate Bay? [01:26:10] Speaker B: Pirate Bay? What is that? [01:26:13] Speaker A: Dude, the place? Really? The place you download torrents? [01:26:18] Speaker B: Oh, I don't know. If you torrent the fake Shazam movie from Sinbad, it's going to be gay porn. I guarantee you. You're just gonna see gay porn. [01:26:37] Speaker A: This is gonna eat me alive. This is really, really gonna do it to me, dude. [01:26:43] Speaker B: Okay, so let me. Let me ask you this. You search high and low for this movie, you eventually find irrefutable proof that it was fake and it never existed. How badly does. [01:27:02] Speaker A: It's not fucking fake, bro. [01:27:03] Speaker B: I'm. No, no, no. I asked a hypothetical. I asked a hypothetical question. How badly does your sense of reality shift when you find out that this movie's fake? [01:27:19] Speaker A: You know what? It's gonna. You know what? It's gonna rock my world. [01:27:28] Speaker B: I thought you were gonna say something pretty mild. You know what? I'd kill myself. Really shake the foundation of my life. [01:27:40] Speaker A: Gosh, pisses me off. [01:27:44] Speaker B: That's not even the craziest one. I've heard some pretty crazy ones. I mean, the original Mandela effect is pretty crazy in and of itself. [01:27:55] Speaker A: What's the original? I never even knew there was an original. [01:27:58] Speaker B: Yeah, the. The original, where the name comes from is that when Nelson Mandela died, there were a bunch of people who thought he was already dead. They thought that he died in prison, like, 10 years earlier, and it turned out that, like, his associate or, like, his. His butler or someone had killed themselves. Themselves, like 10 years earlier. And people only remembered, like a death vaguely related to Nelson Mandela. And so they just thought that he was dead already. [01:28:31] Speaker A: I think that. And I could be speaking from ignorance. I think that comes from not being, like, relevant in. As a celebrity. [01:28:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:28:43] Speaker A: Because there's a lot of celebrities. I was like, oh, that dude's dead. Or even opposite, like, oh, that dude hasn't died yet. Like, I could have swore he died. [01:28:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:28:53] Speaker A: You know, But I'm gonna find this fucking movie. [01:28:57] Speaker B: I. Yeah, all right. [01:29:03] Speaker A: I'm gonna fucking. I'm gonna get some fucking. I'm gonna seek my press credentials and reach out to his manager. [01:29:11] Speaker B: Hey, you know what? I. I just want you to be happy. Whatever it takes for you to be happy. That's what I want. [01:29:24] Speaker A: All right, to our listeners, I give 300 bucks to clarify Shazam. With Sinbad. Not Kazam. Not the Shazam. With the white kid. Shazam. With Sinbad. Fucking stupid. [01:29:40] Speaker B: I'm. I'm pulling up other famous Mandela effects. [01:29:45] Speaker A: So here's the thing. It's hard to believe when he admits it because. Yes. He was never in the military. He was always a comedian. [01:29:56] Speaker B: That's interesting. [01:29:57] Speaker A: So I see. [01:29:57] Speaker B: What. Yeah. Let me ask you. Let me ask you. In the movie Snow White, the evil queen looks at the mirror on the wall. What does she say? [01:30:12] Speaker A: Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who is the fairest of them all? [01:30:15] Speaker B: Nope. Magic mirror on the wall. [01:30:22] Speaker A: I forgot a dude. But is it who's the fairest of them all? [01:30:25] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, but everyone remembers it. Mirror, mirror, on the wall. But it's magic mirror on the wall. That's pretty crazy. [01:30:32] Speaker A: I'm not even gonna go down that rabbit trail, dude. Cuz you just looked up Famous Mandela effect. Yeah, Hear me out. I didn't watch a lot of Snow White. Okay? I can't even name all the dwarfs. You're probably gonna tell me there's one named Bashful. [01:30:48] Speaker B: I think there is. [01:30:49] Speaker A: Or. Or one named. Is there an angry dwarf? [01:30:56] Speaker B: No, I think there's something like it, though. Grumpy. Grumpy. [01:31:01] Speaker A: Grumpy. Yeah. You're gonna tell me there's one off brand named Doc or something nuts. [01:31:12] Speaker B: Hey, how do you. How do you spell Febreze? [01:31:17] Speaker A: Febreze? Yeah. F E, B, R, A, E, Z. Nope. [01:31:22] Speaker B: It's only. Only one E at a time. There's no double E that one with me. I thought for sure it was. [01:31:30] Speaker A: How do they spell it? I thought you meant how. Cuz I spell it when I write it. [01:31:35] Speaker B: I write with two E. And I write it several times a week. [01:31:41] Speaker A: Oh, are you talking about the aerosol can? No, dude, I'm talking. [01:31:45] Speaker B: It's. [01:31:46] Speaker A: I'm. I got a product in the works. I don't want to say nothing about it, though. [01:31:52] Speaker B: Does the Monopoly man have a monocle? [01:31:56] Speaker A: No, you're right. [01:31:59] Speaker B: You know how this game is played now? [01:32:02] Speaker A: No, no, no, no, no. He does not have a monocle, though. [01:32:05] Speaker B: He does not. But a lot of people remember him having one. [01:32:10] Speaker A: No, dude, never had a monocle. I played Monopoly. A lot would have remembered a cool monocle. Yep. [01:32:19] Speaker B: All right, well, my phone's almost dead. All right, I enjoyed this. [01:32:24] Speaker A: Gandhi, Mahatma. You have a good night. [01:32:27] Speaker B: You too. I'm sorry it ended on such a sour note. [01:32:32] Speaker A: No, no. But I want to let our listeners know I'm dead ass. Serious. I will give $200. [01:32:39] Speaker B: I'll give you 150 to anyone that reminds me of a great. Have you ever heard that. That Jew joke. [01:32:51] Speaker A: Knock, knock? [01:32:52] Speaker B: No. This Jewish kid goes to his dad and he says, dad, I need $50 for school clothes. And the dad says, $40. What do you need $30 for? [01:33:09] Speaker A: Ah, all right, you know what? I'll find it. I'll send it over. [01:33:15] Speaker B: All right. Please, please do. I gotta go before I damage our relationship any further. [01:33:23] Speaker A: All right, man, I love you. [01:33:24] Speaker B: Love you, buddy. Have a great night. [01:33:27] Speaker A: You too. [01:33:28] Speaker B: All right, bye bye. [01:33:30] Speaker A: Whatever.